Theresa- I have not made a connection yet but you thought Paul MIGHT be related? I know he is also related to CATHY Bourgeois who imitistes this thread. They are related on two lines.
I admit ignorance, but i do not know which DNA test he should take. So far all his paternal line goes back to the AZORES AND Santa Maria (well, the maternal line too but I haven't gone as far back because one maternal grandmother was "pais incognito" so that was the end of the line That was the maternal great grandmother Maria Elena > On Jul 30, 2016, at 8:51 PM, brownat68 . <[email protected]> wrote: > > Are there any direct male descendants of João Afonso (de Pimentel) “das > Grotas Fundas on this forum? > > Even if there is we wouldn't we need to find someone descended from the > Counts to take a DNA test also to compare their DNA to? > > Todd > >> On Sat, Jul 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> If Joao Afonso (de Pimentel) "das Grotas Fundas" is who genealogists say he >> is (son of the 3rd Count) then he would have been born in Spain, not in >> Portugal. It would be nice if DNA technology could be put to use here to >> determine if he does descend from the Counts. >> >> Best regards, >> >> John Miranda Raposo >> >> >> >> >> On Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:38 PM, cathybourgeois1218 >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> There is a discrepancy as to where he was born. Was he born in Portugal or >> Baesa, Galiza Spain? >> >> On Wednesday, September 2, 2015 at 11:48:19 AM UTC-4, John Raposo wrote: >> João Afonso (de Pimentel) “das Grotas Fundas >> Died 2 Sept 1512 >> >> NB: this is the work of several people including Rodrigo Rodrigues, Andrew >> Rapoza, George Pacheco, Diana cestodio Silva, in addition to those cited. >> >> NAME: He became known in St. Michael, Açores as "João Afonso das Grotas >> Fundas" [Frutuoso]. Frutuoso never gives him the family name Pimentel nor >> does he ever make reference to a relationship to the Spanish Counts of >> Benevente. This claim is made by his grandson João Afonso, o Moço, of >> Faial da Terra, where he died on 16.4.1577. On the cover of his will, in an >> old script, it says that the said João Afonso, o Moço descendes from the >> Condes de Benavente of Castile. >> >> >> BIOGRAPHY: "The Pimentels and the Resendes families of the island of São >> Miguel descended from João Afonso de Pimentel who came with these names in >> the last quarter of the 15th century" [Familias Antigas da Povoação]. (It >> was also suggested that he arrive in the middle of the 15th century [James >> Guill]. "He settled in the place of Grotas Fundas, on the island of São >> Miguel, where he had a large family and house, by which he became well-known >> on the island as João Afonso das Grotas Fundas [Frutuoso]." "The origin of >> this João Afonso is wrapped in some mystery; nevertheless, his 5th grandson >> [through a daughter of João Afonso], Padre Pedro Furtado Leite, outlined his >> ancestry in a letter in which he wrote that his mother was descended from >> João Afonso who, in turn, was the descendant of the Counts of Benavente, of >> Spain. In truth, there are some nobiliaries that refer to a son of the third >> Count of Benavente (there is a perfect coincidence of dates), of the name >> João Afonso, who left Spain, and disappears from history. The third Count of >> Benavente, Alonso de Pimentel, also known as the Count of Mayorga, was >> married to Dona Maria de Quinones y Toledo. The subsequent nobiliaries >> referred to their son João Afonso de Pimentel [Familias]." No further >> details are given in Genealogia de los Condes y Duques de Benavente (at the >> Madrid Library), however. [J. Guill] This son would have been 60 to 70 years >> old when João Afonso das Grotas Fundas made his will, His great-grea-greatr >> grandson, Father Belchior Manuel de Resendes, in a letter, says that his 4th >> grandfather, João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was the son of a Count and exiled >> himself to S. Miguel for having committed a crime in Portugal. >> >> >> "The Pimentels belong to one of the most illustrious families of the Iberian >> peninsula and originate in Benavente, where they had a castle at the >> juncture of a gigantic triangular territory formed by the lands of Leon, >> Asturias, and Galicia and bordered by the rivers Esla and Orbigo [Familias]." >> >> One Count built a hospital by the name of Nossa Senhora do Piedade to >> benefit the pilgrims traveling the Silver Route on the way to Santiago de >> Compostela. The church in Ponta Garça that serves the Grotas Fundas area >> where João Afonso was the first settler, was also called Nossa Senhora do >> Piedade, thus further suggesting the connection between João Afonso das >> Grotas Fundas and the Counts of Benavente. [Familias.] >> >> >> >> It may be this same João Afonso that is mentioned to have contributed 80 >> moios of wheat toward a program to direct fresh water from the land of >> Gaspar de Bettancurt to Ponta Delgada because before this time the residents >> of that town had to rely on well water (perhaps the town's population was >> growing too large to sustain itself on the number of wells then available) >> [Alverne]. >> >> João Afonso das Grotas Fundas was again credited as being the earliest >> settler of Grotas Fundas at the very beginning of Ponta Garça's settlement. >> (It was also suggested that, given the isolation and difficult access to >> Grotas Fundas, it could be assumed that João Afonso de Pimentel had a motive >> to flee to so remote a spot [J.Guill].) He made his will on 26 May 1511. In >> it he made his oldest son, João Afonso, and his son's wife, Catarina Manuel, >> the executors and ordered that a third of his lands be set aside to produce >> a benefit of 10,000 reis [system of money later replaced by cruzeiros] for >> the purpose of having three masses said one week a year in perpetuity; the >> first on Monday for his faith in God to be a blessing on his soul; the >> second on Saturday in honor of the Peace of Christ and the last one on >> Saturday in honor of "Nossa Senhora" with all her prayers [Vida]. >> >> [Alverne] Chronicas da Provincia de São João Evangelista das Ilhas dos >> Açores >> [Familias] Familias Anitgas de Povoação >> [Frutuoso] Doutor Gaspar Frutuoso, Livro Quatro: Saudades da Terra >> [J. Guill] Letter from Dr. James H. Guill, FEB 98 >> [Vida] A Vida de Nossos Avós >> >> See also Miguel Figueiredo Corte-Real: Os Descendentes dos Condes de >> Benavente Radicados in Açores Desde o Século XV. >> >> John Miranda Raposo >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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