Linda, OK, thanks for explaining how he morphed into Antonio. Yeah, the manifest on Joaquim is the first thing I looked up because I wanted to see what the columns said on the right, but since they were U.S. Citizens, they did not need to say who they were coming to in America. Samantha knows this, as she has stated she has found everything in America and nothing tells her where in the Azores. I guess nothing will state where they are born in the Azores if they are American born. So I don't understand her query.
Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:45 PM, linda <menesesli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Joaquim Benedicto is the husband of Maria Josefa; Antonio is Maria's > father. Joaquim's father is Benedicto Antonio. Who's on first? ;) > > I haven't seen the manifest, so I can't speak to that. > > L. > > On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:35:13 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> I haven't followed this thread in its entirety, but how did Joaquim >> Benedicto morph into Antonio? The original couple that Samantha posted >> about are U.S. Citizens. Or so says the American manifest. >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 7:51 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi Samantha, >>> >>> Please keep in mind Roselyn's advice, and please also take care to >>> verify any information you find in online trees by checking the digital >>> records. We're so lucky to have these resources, but as you've probably >>> already guessed, last names aren't exactly fixed. First names are a little >>> better, but... well, there are often multiples of the same name in one >>> family-- daughters named for their mothers/grandmothers, sons named for >>> their fathers/grandfathers, and multiple sisters all named Maria [second >>> name] is very common-- I have even seen a case of two brothers both named >>> Manuel. Anyway, online errors abound and the names will drive you mad.... >>> >>> You posted a birthday for Maria Josefa, October 6, 1886. Now that >>> there's a potential marriage record for Maria Josefa and Antonio which >>> states that she is a native of the parish of Santa Luzia, it's possible to >>> check the Baptisms there to see if the birthdays for your Maria Josefa and >>> that of the Maria in the records match. I had a look through late >>> September through to the end of 1886, but none of the Marias in that year >>> were likely matches. So, I went back a year to 1885 and found this record: >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH- >>> SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885/TER-AH-SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885_item1/P193.html >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH- >>> SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885/TER-AH-SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885_item1/P194.html >>> >>> That's the baptismal record for the Maria of the marriage record. It >>> seems that she shares the same birthday, October 6, as your husband's >>> grandmother. :D >>> >>> You should try to find the couple's passport records. That would be the >>> conclusive proof that it's the same pair that emigrated to the US. >>> >>> Right, now you've got a wonderful quest ahead of you! With luck and >>> persistence, you'll be able to take your husband's Azorean tree back to the >>> 18th and 17th centuries through the primary records :) and maybe even >>> farther back. Please have a look at the resources that Roselyn provided a >>> link to. I'd also suggest that you try transcribing these marriage and >>> baptismal records and use the word lists in the resources to pick out the >>> key information they contain. The records follow a set format, and once >>> you get familiar with it, it's easy (provided the handwriting is legible). >>> If you post your results, I'll gladly check them for you. Also, you should >>> know that there's a marriage index for Terceira which is online somewhere. >>> I don't have the link for it handy, but a search of the forum should get it >>> pretty quickly. For the island of Pico, there's another handy resource, >>> the CITCEM database. It's clunky to use, riddled with errors, and has a >>> bit of a learning curve... but when it works, it's wonderful :D I believe >>> the link is in the resources too. >>> >>> best of luck in your research! >>> >>> Linda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 10:32:20 PM UTC-8, Rose wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Samantha, >>>> >>>> I'm glad that you are excited, and that I could help. You're welcome. >>>> However, Please, Please, Please, remember that you should try to find the >>>> passport information or other information that will confirm that this >>>> record is correct. You would not want to trace this record and find out >>>> later that this information is not correct. As Linda pointed out you >>>> should look in the passports from Angra. I don't know if you can read the >>>> records, so It would also be great if others would check my translation for >>>> you. Thank you. >>>> >>>> Benedicto is the first name and Antonio is the last according to this >>>> record. Do not transpose the names. >>>> >>>> Correct, women are usually not documented with a last name. They are >>>> usually the daughter of, wife of, or widow of; but you can actually find on >>>> occasion that a record will show a last name. >>>> >>>> As Cheri posted: There's a whole list of how-to on the Azores GenWeb >>>> here: https://goo.gl/xYgVpZ This is a wonderful site filled with >>>> important information for anyone searching for their Portuguese ancestors. >>>> Just ask and their is always someone on the list that will help if you have >>>> a question. >>>> >>>> Best Regards, Roselyn >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Samantha B <samc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you soooo much Roselyn. This does indeed look like them. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not familiar with naming conventions in these documents. I'm >>>>> assuming that Joaquim's father is Antonio Benedicto yes? >>>>> >>>>> Also, from what I can see women's last names are not generally >>>>> documented yes? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you again :) >>>>> Samantha >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-8, Rose wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Samantha: >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe the attached Santa Luzia, Casamento records from the >>>>>> island of Terceira may be the couple you are looking for: Joaquim >>>>>> Benedicto and Maria Josefa. According to the record: >>>>>> >>>>>> They were married on 2 February 1906 in Santa Luzia. >>>>>> He is 30 years old from Fontinhas of Terceira living in Santa Luzia. >>>>>> He is the legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares and >>>>>> Maria Delfina native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico. >>>>>> >>>>>> She is 20 years old native of Santa Lusia. >>>>>> She is the legitimate daughter of Antonio Goncalves Leostinho and >>>>>> Maria Theodora from Santa Luzia >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (Fontinhas - Nossa Senhora da Pena, island of Terceira) >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this is the couple you are looking for. Good Luck >>>>>> >>>>>> Roselyn Hughes >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <rca...@gmail.com >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Samantha--Sorry it's Benedito (left out and 'e'!). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rosemarie >>>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com >>>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Samantha B <samc...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Becky and Cheri >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm looking for >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joachim Benedicto >>>>>>>> Born in the Azores (there is no US record as to where) about 1876 >>>>>>>> Died in Sacremento on 1/21/1913 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and his wife >>>>>>>> Maria Josephine Lestinho >>>>>>>> Born in the Azores (there is no US record as to where) 10/6/1886 >>>>>>>> Died in Sacramento on 4/3/1960 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They were already married when they left the Azores to travel to >>>>>>>> America. They sailed from "St Michaels: on 3/19/1906 on the SS >>>>>>>> Brooklyn. >>>>>>>> There were no other family members with them on the ship that I can >>>>>>>> see. >>>>>>>> All of their children were born in the US. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've started going through the March 1906 passport records for Ponta >>>>>>>> Delgada hoping to find their names. I'll go forward a bit and look at >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> whole of March for that year and back to the start of the year. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joachim may also have had a cousin Maria Correa (Coria, Corea, >>>>>>>> Cory) who also came to the US about the same time. She was born in the >>>>>>>> Azores on 12/23/1896. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> Samantha >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:59:38 PM UTC-8, Becky M. wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Samantha, >>>>>>>>> If you share his name and or the relatives names, someone in this >>>>>>>>> group may already have information on them. Happens all the time! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016 2:37 PM, "Samantha B" <samc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi all >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm building my husband's family tree on ancestry.com. His >>>>>>>>>> maternal grand parents arrived in the US from the Azores in 1908. I >>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> the ship name and passenger list from Ellis Island but I'm >>>>>>>>>> struggling to >>>>>>>>>> work out how to get more information about them from the Azores. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Currently I'm slowly looking through the passports but I don't >>>>>>>>>> even know how long before sailing they would have registered for >>>>>>>>>> passports. >>>>>>>>>> I've also joined http://www.portugueseancestry.com/ as it seems >>>>>>>>>> one of the family trees there has the surnames involved (just >>>>>>>>>> waiting on my >>>>>>>>>> login details atm). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Any other suggestions for research will be most gratefully >>>>>>>>>> appreciated. All I have are the grandparents birth dates (no specific >>>>>>>>>> location in the Azores), US arrival ship and date and US death >>>>>>>>>> dates. We've >>>>>>>>>> done an ancestry.com DNA test but, it seems, without more >>>>>>>>>> information I can't really start researching the Azores matches. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Many thanks >>>>>>>>>> Samantha >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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