Hi Linda and all
Thanks :) Funnily enough I think I saw a passport for a Maria Josepha close
to the depature date but I skimmed over it because I couldn't see Joaquim
(silly silly me). Once the site is back up I'll find it and document it
again.
Once I get my head around Joaquim's immigration status I'll try and post
something a little more sensible.
Samantha
On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:36:27 PM UTC-8, linda wrote:
>
> If Joaquim was a naturalized US citizen, then I suspect that his wife
> would have traveled under his passport, and so she may not show up in the
> passport records. But, it's still worth looking through them-- no stone
> unturned.
>
> lots of leads-- good luck!
>
> :)
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 9:12:39 PM UTC-8, Samantha B wrote:
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> I know they were both born the in the Azores. We have, very elderly,
>> living relatives who confirm this. Anecdotally we also know that Joaquim
>> and Maria's families were very unhappy about their marriage and so they
>> came to America very soon thereafter. I have Joaquim ("King" as he's now
>> called) on the 2010 census here with his wife and children. He dies in
>> 1913. I also have the birth certificates etc of his children (all born the
>> in the US).
>>
>> However, yes on the passenger manifest it does say they're US citizens
>> and that Joaquim immigrated as a young child (clearly I have a lot of
>> digging to do here).
>>
>> I also now have the DNA link to Joaquim's sister and parents (most
>> likely).
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:53 PM, Cheri Mello <gfsc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Linda,
>>> OK, thanks for explaining how he morphed into Antonio. Yeah, the
>>> manifest on Joaquim is the first thing I looked up because I wanted to see
>>> what the columns said on the right, but since they were U.S. Citizens, they
>>> did not need to say who they were coming to in America. Samantha knows
>>> this, as she has stated she has found everything in America and nothing
>>> tells her where in the Azores. I guess nothing will state where they are
>>> born in the Azores if they are American born. So I don't understand her
>>> query.
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>
>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 8:45 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joaquim Benedicto is the husband of Maria Josefa; Antonio is Maria's
>>>> father. Joaquim's father is Benedicto Antonio. Who's on first? ;)
>>>>
>>>> I haven't seen the manifest, so I can't speak to that.
>>>>
>>>> L.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016 at 8:35:13 PM UTC-8, Cheri Mello wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't followed this thread in its entirety, but how did Joaquim
>>>>> Benedicto morph into Antonio? The original couple that Samantha posted
>>>>> about are U.S. Citizens. Or so says the American manifest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheri Mello
>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 5, 2016 at 7:51 PM, linda <menese...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Samantha,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please keep in mind Roselyn's advice, and please also take care to
>>>>>> verify any information you find in online trees by checking the digital
>>>>>> records. We're so lucky to have these resources, but as you've probably
>>>>>> already guessed, last names aren't exactly fixed. First names are a
>>>>>> little
>>>>>> better, but... well, there are often multiples of the same name in one
>>>>>> family-- daughters named for their mothers/grandmothers, sons named for
>>>>>> their fathers/grandfathers, and multiple sisters all named Maria [second
>>>>>> name] is very common-- I have even seen a case of two brothers both
>>>>>> named
>>>>>> Manuel. Anyway, online errors abound and the names will drive you
>>>>>> mad....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You posted a birthday for Maria Josefa, October 6, 1886. Now that
>>>>>> there's a potential marriage record for Maria Josefa and Antonio which
>>>>>> states that she is a native of the parish of Santa Luzia, it's possible
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> check the Baptisms there to see if the birthdays for your Maria Josefa
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> that of the Maria in the records match. I had a look through late
>>>>>> September through to the end of 1886, but none of the Marias in that
>>>>>> year
>>>>>> were likely matches. So, I went back a year to 1885 and found this
>>>>>> record:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885/TER-AH-SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885_item1/P193.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885/TER-AH-SANTALUZIA-B-1880-1885_item1/P194.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the baptismal record for the Maria of the marriage record. It
>>>>>> seems that she shares the same birthday, October 6, as your husband's
>>>>>> grandmother. :D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You should try to find the couple's passport records. That would be
>>>>>> the conclusive proof that it's the same pair that emigrated to the US.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right, now you've got a wonderful quest ahead of you! With luck and
>>>>>> persistence, you'll be able to take your husband's Azorean tree back to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 18th and 17th centuries through the primary records :) and maybe even
>>>>>> farther back. Please have a look at the resources that Roselyn provided
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> link to. I'd also suggest that you try transcribing these marriage and
>>>>>> baptismal records and use the word lists in the resources to pick out
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> key information they contain. The records follow a set format, and once
>>>>>> you get familiar with it, it's easy (provided the handwriting is
>>>>>> legible).
>>>>>> If you post your results, I'll gladly check them for you. Also, you
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> know that there's a marriage index for Terceira which is online
>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>> I don't have the link for it handy, but a search of the forum should get
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> pretty quickly. For the island of Pico, there's another handy resource,
>>>>>> the CITCEM database. It's clunky to use, riddled with errors, and has a
>>>>>> bit of a learning curve... but when it works, it's wonderful :D I
>>>>>> believe
>>>>>> the link is in the resources too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best of luck in your research!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Linda
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 10:32:20 PM UTC-8, Rose wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Samantha,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm glad that you are excited, and that I could help. You're
>>>>>>> welcome. However, Please, Please, Please, remember that you should
>>>>>>> try to
>>>>>>> find the passport information or other information that will confirm
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> this record is correct. You would not want to trace this record and
>>>>>>> find
>>>>>>> out later that this information is not correct. As Linda pointed out
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> should look in the passports from Angra. I don't know if you can read
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> records, so It would also be great if others would check my translation
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> you. Thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Benedicto is the first name and Antonio is the last according to
>>>>>>> this record. Do not transpose the names.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Correct, women are usually not documented with a last name. They
>>>>>>> are usually the daughter of, wife of, or widow of; but you can actually
>>>>>>> find on occasion that a record will show a last name.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Cheri posted: There's a whole list of how-to on the Azores
>>>>>>> GenWeb here: https://goo.gl/xYgVpZ This is a wonderful site
>>>>>>> filled with important information for anyone searching for their
>>>>>>> Portuguese
>>>>>>> ancestors. Just ask and their is always someone on the list that will
>>>>>>> help
>>>>>>> if you have a question.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards, Roselyn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Samantha B <samc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you soooo much Roselyn. This does indeed look like them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not familiar with naming conventions in these documents. I'm
>>>>>>>> assuming that Joaquim's father is Antonio Benedicto yes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also, from what I can see women's last names are not generally
>>>>>>>> documented yes?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you again :)
>>>>>>>> Samantha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 5:06:28 PM UTC-8, Rose wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Samantha:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe the attached Santa Luzia, Casamento records from the
>>>>>>>>> island of Terceira may be the couple you are looking for: Joaquim
>>>>>>>>> Benedicto and Maria Josefa. According to the record:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They were married on 2 February 1906 in Santa Luzia.
>>>>>>>>> He is 30 years old from Fontinhas of Terceira living in Santa
>>>>>>>>> Luzia.
>>>>>>>>> He is the legitimate son of Benedicto Antonio native of Altares
>>>>>>>>> and Maria Delfina native of Nossa Senhora da Piedade of Pico.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She is 20 years old native of Santa Lusia.
>>>>>>>>> She is the legitimate daughter of Antonio Goncalves Leostinho and
>>>>>>>>> Maria Theodora from Santa Luzia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Fontinhas - Nossa Senhora da Pena, island of Terceira)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope this is the couple you are looking for. Good Luck
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Roselyn Hughes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <
>>>>>>>>> rca...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Samantha--Sorry it's Benedito (left out and 'e'!).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>>>>>>> rcap...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
>>>>>>>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 4, 2016 at 3:32 PM, Samantha B <samc...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Becky and Cheri
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joachim Benedicto
>>>>>>>>>>> Born in the Azores (there is no US record as to where) about 1876
>>>>>>>>>>> Died in Sacremento on 1/21/1913
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and his wife
>>>>>>>>>>> Maria Josephine Lestinho
>>>>>>>>>>> Born in the Azores (there is no US record as to where) 10/6/1886
>>>>>>>>>>> Died in Sacramento on 4/3/1960
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> They were already married when they left the Azores to travel to
>>>>>>>>>>> America. They sailed from "St Michaels: on 3/19/1906 on the SS
>>>>>>>>>>> Brooklyn.
>>>>>>>>>>> There were no other family members with them on the ship that I can
>>>>>>>>>>> see.
>>>>>>>>>>> All of their children were born in the US.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've started going through the March 1906 passport records for
>>>>>>>>>>> Ponta
>>>>>>>>>>> Delgada hoping to find their names. I'll go forward a bit and look
>>>>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>>>>> whole of March for that year and back to the start of the year.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Joachim may also have had a cousin Maria Correa (Coria, Corea,
>>>>>>>>>>> Cory) who also came to the US about the same time. She was born in
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> Azores on 12/23/1896.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>> Samantha
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 1:59:38 PM UTC-8, Becky M. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Samantha,
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you share his name and or the relatives names, someone in
>>>>>>>>>>>> this group may already have information on them. Happens all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> time!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Dec 4, 2016 2:37 PM, "Samantha B" <samc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm building my husband's family tree on ancestry.com. His
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maternal grand parents arrived in the US from the Azores in 1908.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ship name and passenger list from Ellis Island but I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> struggling to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work out how to get more information about them from the Azores.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently I'm slowly looking through the passports but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even know how long before sailing they would have registered for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> passports.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also joined http://www.portugueseancestry.com/ as it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems one of the family trees there has the surnames involved
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (just waiting
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my login details atm).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any other suggestions for research will be most gratefully
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated. All I have are the grandparents birth dates (no
>>>>>>>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>> location in the Azores), US arrival ship and date and US death
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dates. We've
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done an ancestry.com DNA test but, it seems, without more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information I can't really start researching the Azores matches.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Samantha
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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