Good note, Celeste - it tells them exactly what you are looking for. Whether or not they decide to share the info will come down to feeling as if they are compromising the confidentiality of the family or not wanting to start a precedent that will get them more inquiries that tax their time. I’d also include a phone number you can be reached at because some parish workers are either not technologically savvy or they will want to check out a live person before they make a decision to share.
It never hurts to ask but since it seems you’ve been down many roads before this one it might finally be the right time and place. Good luck and let me know what happens. Joanne On January 12, 2017 at 1:20:20 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy ( azores@googlegroups.com) wrote: Hi Joanne, This is the note I think I will send to St. Mary's Church. I appreciate any suggestions you or others have that may help me obtain the information I seek. At least encouraging someone to look for the information will help me know if any such information exists. Thanks, Celeste St. Mary’s Church Bristol, Rhode Island To someone who can help me: I have been trying to find information about my husband, Robert E. Perry’s, family for the last 20 years. I have been unable to find a baptismal record for his paternal grandmother, Maria De Christ Moraes. I have found baptismal records for her siblings in Lomba da Santa Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores; however, there is no record of her baptism. Passport information for 1908-1909 no longer exist. I have not been able to find her date of entry in the United States. What I do know is that she married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on November 27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island. I have a copy of that marriage record. I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth, baptismal and previous marriage documents were collected and placed in closed files along with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on. I have been told that Maria would have had to provide a baptismal certificate from the “old Country” before the marriage. Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date of Maria’s baptism? In addition, I have seen some church books where information of this type is written in the margin of the marriage record. Although I have a “Certificate of Marriage” from St. Mary’s, I do not have any note of anything written in the margin. Were any notes written in the margin of the marriage record? Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/11/17, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy < azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 7:06 PM Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest. My asking for "margin notes" is from seeing them in the marriage records in the churches in the Azores. I will follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection for this family will be a positive result. Again, thanks, Celeste Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <musicmavene...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM Celeste,I work for the Catholic Church and the information you are seeking would probably not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the pre-nuptual paperwork that every couple has to provide before the marriage can take place. Birth, baptismal, and previous marriage documents (if any) are collected and placed in closed files along with pre-marriage questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on. Your Maria Cristo would have had to provide a baptismal certificate from the “old country” or be baptized “conditionally” before the marriage (something we don’t do anymore) so there would be a record. Getting into those sealed records is not impossible but would require a very sympathetic cleric or parish secretary who’s into genealogy themselves. The Pastor of St. Mary’s in Bristol is known to be a decent guy and their website is here —> http://www.stmarybristolri.org/index.html I’d try and contact them - one never knows until one asks! Good luck.Joanne Grota Mercier On January 11, 2017 at 6:46:10 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy (azores@googlegroups.com) wrote: Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my elusive MC, was from Santa Maria. Not her. The church where MC was married is St. Mary's in Bristol, RI. I have a "form" that is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor. It says, "This is to Certify that Filippe Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ Moraes were lawfully married on the 27th day of November, 1909. "According to the Rite of the roman catholic church and in conformity with the law3s of the state of Rhode Island Rev. Thomas J. Gillam officiating in the presence of Antonio Perreira and Maria Perreira Witnesses as appears from the Marriage Register of this church. "Dated March 3, 1953, Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor" My hope is that someone would be able to visit the church, ask to see the Marriage Register and photo copy any margin note that would have been made to confirm that Maria De Christ Moraes was baptized and where that took place. This family did have two Maria born to these parents. The first one I was unable to find as having died or having moved or married anywhere near the village of Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel. She was born in 1868. MC's last son was born after1921 which would have made MC at over 40 years of age. The second Maria died shortly after her birth. I have not been able to find any more children named Maria born to MC. Again, the oral history MC's daughter told me MC was born May 22, 1885 and was that she was 5 years old when her father died. Her father died in 1899 so she had to have been born (if she was a biological child of this marriage) before 1899 and some time between the birth of her brother Jose (1883) and the death of her father. I have confirmation of her father's death and of Jose's birth dates. Again, I have spent days looking at the record books in the archive in Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel looking for MC's birth or something that would give me a clue as to whether or not she was biologically born to this family. I have no doubt she was raised in this family and she "thought" she was biologically from this family. Proving this has become an over 25 year journey for me. Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 1/10/17, Cheri Mello <gfsche...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo To: "Azores Genealogy" <azores@googlegroups.com> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 9:44 PM Celeste, I went over your initial email several times. Maria born 1880s in Santa Barbara (in R.Grande council) on Sao Miguel island. Maria immigrates on 31 July 1909 to Boston but marries only 4 months later on 27 Nov 1909 in Providence. This doesn't sit well with me. She should have immigrated to Providence or New York and then caught a smaller boat down to Providence. Also, why the rush to get married? Only 4 months? Did she know her husband over there and was pregnant when she came over? Or perhaps that's the wrong Maria Moraes coming into America in 1909. I can find 2 Maria Moraes coming into NY between 1900-1910, 2 into Boston, 1 into New Bedford, and I can't find Providence online. So why the Maria Moraes on 31 July 1909 to Boston and not one of the others? Yes, you need to get the marriage book from Holy Rosary (I'm guessing that's probably the church they married at, since many Portuguese married there). Call them and ask for a photocopy of the book. If it's too large to photocopy, then ask the church secretary to take a picture with her cell phone and text or email the picture to you (and make a donation to the church to keep them doing genealogy requests for others). You have traced her in the Federal censuses as well as the RI State censuses? Was she an alien or a citizen by 1940? If she was an alien, you need to get her alien registration. If she became a citizen, you need that paperwork. If her husband became a citizen, you need his paperwork, as it asks about his wife. What does her death certificate say? Where do you get the names of her parents from? She has a sister, Anna (per will). Did you chase Anna around? What did her evidence say? I swear someone found her for you last year. What was that all about? And why did you decide it wasn't yours? 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