Personally, I wouldn't give them all the background on your search. It has
nothing to do with them searching their records. I'd make it a very short
and simple request. I edited yours and added some stuff in caps. Just my
take. Do what you like.
I have been trying to find information about Maria De Christ Moraes BORN
ABOUT ______ IN SANTA BARBARA, SAO MIGUEL ISLAND.
She married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on November 27th, 1909 in St.
Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island.
I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth,
baptismal and previous marriage documents were collected and placed in
closed files along with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is
sought later on. I have been told that Maria would have had to provide a
baptismal certificate from the “old Country” before the marriage.
Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date
of Maria’s baptism AND HER PARENTS' NAMES? In addition, I have seen some
church books where information of this type is written in the marriage
BOOK.
========================
I wouldn't mention you have some type of certificate already. It might get
your request set aside because it appears you already have the information
from them. Just my 2 cents. Cheri
Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:20 AM, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Joanne,
> This is the note I think I will send to St. Mary's Church. I
> appreciate any suggestions you or others have that may help me obtain the
> information I seek. At least encouraging someone to look for the
> information will help me know if any such information exists.
> Thanks, Celeste
>
> St. Mary’s Church
> Bristol, Rhode Island
>
> To someone who can help me:
> I have been trying to find information about my husband, Robert E.
> Perry’s, family for the last 20 years. I have been unable to find a
> baptismal record for his paternal grandmother, Maria De Christ Moraes.
> I have found baptismal records for her siblings in Lomba da Santa
> Barbara, Sao Miguel, Azores; however, there is no record of her baptism.
> Passport information for 1908-1909 no longer exist. I have not
> been able to find her date of entry in the United States.
> What I do know is that she married Filippe Perreira Da Silva on
> November 27th, 1909 in St. Mary’s Church, Bristol, Rhode Island. I have a
> copy of that marriage record.
> I have recently been told that at the time of marriage birth,
> baptismal and previous marriage documents were collected and placed in
> closed files along with premarriage questionnaires in case an annulment is
> sought later on. I have been told that Maria would have had to provide a
> baptismal certificate from the “old Country” before the marriage.
> Is it possible to search those records to find the place and date
> of Maria’s baptism? In addition, I have seen some church books where
> information of this type is written in the margin of the marriage record.
> Although I have a “Certificate of Marriage” from St. Mary’s, I do not have
> any note of anything written in the margin. Were any notes written in the
> margin of the marriage record?
>
> Celeste Perry [email protected]
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/11/17, 'celeste perry' via Azores Genealogy <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria Cristo
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 7:06 PM
>
>
> Thank you, Joanne for your information and interest.
> My asking for "margin notes" is from seeing them in the
> marriage records in the churches in the Azores. I will
> follow your suggestions and hopefully my last connection for
> this family will be a positive result.
> Again, thanks, Celeste
> Celeste Perry [email protected]
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Wed, 1/11/17, Joanne Mercier <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My elusive Maria
> Cristo
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, January 11, 2017, 5:33 PM
>
> Celeste,I work for the Catholic
> Church and the information you are seeking would probably
> not be found as a margin note (though stranger things have
> happened) in the marriage register but will show up in the
> pre-nuptual paperwork that every couple has to provide
> before the marriage can take place. Birth, baptismal, and
> previous marriage documents (if any) are collected and
> placed in closed files along with pre-marriage
> questionnaires in case an annulment is sought later on.
> Your
> Maria Cristo would have had to provide a baptismal
> certificate from the “old country” or be baptized
> “conditionally” before the marriage (something we
> don’t do anymore) so there would be a record. Getting
> into
> those sealed records is not impossible but would require a
> very sympathetic cleric or parish secretary who’s into
> genealogy themselves.
> The Pastor of St. Mary’s
> in Bristol is known to be a decent guy and their website
> is
> here —> http://www.stmarybristolri.org/index.html I’d
> try and contact them - one never knows until one
> asks!
> Good luck.Joanne Grota Mercier
>
>
> On January
> 11, 2017 at 6:46:10 PM, 'celeste perry' via Azores
> Genealogy ([email protected])
> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cheri, the Maria I thought was my
> elusive MC, was from Santa Maria. Not her.
>
>
>
> The church where MC was married is St.
> Mary's in Bristol, RI. I have a "form" that
> is filled out by Clyde J. Walsh, Asst. Pastor. It
> says,
>
> "This is to Certify that Filippe
> Perreira Da Silva and Maria De Christ Moraes were lawfully
> married on the 27th day of November,
> 1909.
>
> "According to the Rite of the roman
> catholic church and in conformity with the law3s of the
> state of Rhode Island Rev. Thomas J. Gillam officiating in
> the presence of Antonio Perreira and Maria Perreira
> Witnesses as appears from the Marriage Register of this
> church.
>
> "Dated March 3, 1953, Clyde J. Walsh,
> Asst. Pastor"
>
>
>
> My hope is that someone would be able to
> visit the church, ask to see the Marriage Register and
> photo
> copy any margin note that would have been made to confirm
> that Maria De Christ Moraes was baptized and where that
> took
> place.
>
>
>
> This family did have two Maria born to
> these parents. The first one I was unable to find as
> having
> died or having moved or married anywhere near the village
> of
> Lomba da Santa Barbara in Sao Miguel. She was born in
> 1868.
> MC's last son was born after1921 which would have
> made
> MC at over 40 years of age. The second Maria died
> shortly
> after her birth. I have not been able to find any
> more
> children named Maria born to MC.
>
>
>
> Again, the oral history MC's daughter
> told me MC was born May 22, 1885 and was that she was 5
> years old when her father died. Her father died in
> 1899 so
> she had to have been born (if she was a biological child
> of
> this marriage) before 1899 and some time between the birth
> of her brother Jose (1883) and the death of her
> father.
>
>
>
> I have confirmation of her father's
> death and of Jose's birth dates.
>
>
>
> Again, I have spent days looking at the
> record books in the archive in Ponta Delgada, S. Miguel
> looking for MC's birth or something that would give me a
> clue as to whether or not she was biologically born to
> this
> family. I have no doubt she was raised in this family
> and
> she "thought" she was biologically from this
> family. Proving this has become an over 25 year
> journey for
> me.
>
>
>
> Celeste Perry [email protected]
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> On Tue, 1/10/17, Cheri Mello <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: My
> elusive Maria Cristo
>
> To: "Azores Genealogy" <[email protected]>
>
> Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 9:44 PM
>
>
>
> Celeste,
>
>
>
> I went over your initial
>
> email several times.
>
>
>
> Maria born 1880s in Santa Barbara (in
>
> R.Grande council) on Sao Miguel island.
>
>
>
> Maria immigrates on 31 July 1909 to
>
> Boston but marries only 4 months later on
> 27 Nov 1909 in
>
> Providence. This doesn't sit well with
> me. She should
>
> have immigrated to Providence or New York
> and then caught a
>
> smaller boat down to Providence. Also, why
> the rush to get
>
> married? Only 4 months? Did she know her
> husband over there
>
> and was pregnant when she came over? Or
> perhaps that's
>
> the wrong Maria Moraes coming into America
> in 1909. I can
>
> find 2 Maria Moraes coming into NY between
> 1900-1910, 2 into
>
> Boston, 1 into New Bedford, and I
> can't find Providence
>
> online. So why the Maria Moraes on 31 July
> 1909 to Boston
>
> and not one of the others?
>
>
>
> Yes, you need to get the marriage book
>
> from Holy Rosary (I'm guessing
> that's probably the
>
> church they married at, since many
> Portuguese married
>
> there). Call them and ask for a photocopy
> of the book. If
>
> it's too large to photocopy, then ask
> the church
>
> secretary to take a picture with her cell
> phone and text or
>
> email the picture to you (and make a
> donation to the church
>
> to keep them doing genealogy requests for
> others).
>
>
>
> You have traced her in
>
> the Federal censuses as well as the RI
> State censuses?
>
>
>
> Was she an alien or
>
> a citizen by 1940? If she was an alien,
> you need to get her
>
> alien registration. If she became a
> citizen, you need that
>
> paperwork. If her husband became a
> citizen, you need his
>
> paperwork, as it asks about his wife.
>
>
>
> What does her death certificate say?
>
> Where do you get the names of her parents
> from?
>
>
>
> She has a sister, Anna (per will). Did you
>
> chase Anna around? What did her evidence
> say?
>
>
>
> I swear someone found her
>
> for you last year. What was that all
> about? And why did you
>
> decide it wasn't yours?
>
>
>
> Cheri Mello
>
> Listowner,
>
> Azores-Gen
>
> Researching: São Miguel island:
>
> Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
> Ribeira das
>
> Tainhas, Achada
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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