Margaret,
It all looks like this is the correct record because of the names. However, because the birth date is diff then what I had all this time, and no mention of her middle name Salome, I just cannot be certain. I will need to send for her marriage record from the civil office because it was nov 1911 and I don't see that date on any of the sites . The children were born 1912 and 1915. Again I will need to send for the records from the civil office so I can be certain. Thank you for your help. Bill. -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> To: azores <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, May 23, 2018 9:58 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS Bill, Here's a quick summary of the record. Yes it does name Grandparents. # 42 Maria, 2nd of the name Baptised on the 22nd day of October of the year 1887 Maria, born on the 21st day of the current monthand year, legitimate daughter, second of the name, of Antonio da Silva Calisto,proprietor, and of Maria Julia da Motta, Dona, housewife, residing in RuaDireita of this parish, where they were married and were born; paternalgranddaughter of Jose Antonio da Silva Calisto and of Fortunata Emilia Tavares,Dona and maternal, of Manuel Cabral de Melo and Antonia Guilhermina da Mota, Dona. Godfather, Antonio Taveira da Silva, married,proprietor and godmother, Maria de Santo Cristo, Dona, single. Margaret On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:01 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Who is the Cabral And does it have grandparents listed ? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2018 4:55 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS The left Maria (#42) is 2nd of the name (there's another Maria born before her). She's the daughter of Antonio da Silva Calisto, proprietor, and Dona Maria Julia de Motta. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:15 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Margaret, This very well could be what I am searching for. The names I see Mota, de Silva, Cabral are all names I have on the back of her death cert. I do not know where I got them so long ago. She married a Cabral de Rego, but I absolutely remember family saying she was a Cabral before marriage. I would never believe she lied about her age. LOL Can someone do a full translation on this and I can then do the match. Thank You, Bill -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> To: azores <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2018 12:29 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS Bill, Reading through your email again it seems you don't know exactly know who your Maria Salome's parents are. The 1911 marriage records should be available in the public Archives. The passport lists Maria Salome as 29 years old in Mar of 1917 making the year of birth 1887/1888 not 1889. There's a Maria born Oct 21 1887 whose mother's name is Julia Mota, which is one of the names you mention in one of your emails. Have a look, left side. Link below. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P69.html On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 9:31 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Yes, but the birth date I have does not match the record. I have 23 Oct 1889 on two US records and the baptismal we found is Nov 17 1889. I just want to verify one or the other. using her marr or birth of children records Bill -----Original Message----- From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, May 19, 2018 9:26 pm Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS I thought you found her in Pico da Pedra. Cheri On May 19, 2018 6:24 PM, "bill2232 via Azores Genealogy" <[email protected]> wrote: Back to my grandmother Maria Solomi Cabral b 24 Oct 1889 Shows on her naturalization papers and her death cert. I Cannot find a baptismal record for this date Only what is below. Marr Guilherme Cabral Nov 1911 Son Jose Cabral 11 Sept 1912 Dau Margaret 16 Oct 1915 In order to confirm one of the below records, I need to find either the Marr record, or the birth / baptismal for Jose and Margaret. Are these only avail by request from the civil offices because of the dates? Bill -----Original Message----- From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Jan 16, 2018 11:23 pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE #54 is Maria d/o of Jose Pereira de Motta and Mariana Augusta. Not close. If you live in northern CA and can go to the DAR Ancestor Roundup (I think it's called), a Portuguese class will be taught there by Rosemarie. Or if you are in Escalon, CA in June, Joao Ventura is offering some mini-classes. Or if you can go to the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, they have a week long course at the end of the month. Any of those classes will help you. It's kinda like you are taking wild guesses. Your Maria is most likely going to have a side note, all squishy and it will mention the marriage to her husband. Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Margaret, I have an old hand written note listing father as William Cabral and mother a Maria Julia Motta I do not recall where I obtained the info. I also found another state record listing her birth date as 22 Oct 1889 but no records for 17 Nov ???/ Could this be it # 54 as I see a Motta listed http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html Bill In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Miguel, No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this record. No. 53 - Maria Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889 Baptised: 25-Dec-1889 Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and Jacinta da Gloria Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th birth date. Margaret On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Thank You Margaret, I will now be able to do further research on him. Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife Maria http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b 10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel Riberia Grande Pico de Padre Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria I found her passport listing from Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral and Mother Julia Motta In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel. The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter Margaret On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> wrote: Bill, I think this may be your William's birth record. His name is Guilherme Birth date: April 25th 1887 First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> wrote: Hello all, I am new to the group, and just finding my way around. Everyone is so helpful and supportive to us newbies. I am researching William Cabral b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not found anything yet. Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b 10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel Riberia Grande Pico de Padre Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria I found her passport listing from Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William Cabral and Mother Julia Motta http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in the margin and Cabral in the text. http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, and where I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually is her. Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to make my search easier? You can post here or send direct as not to take time from others. Thank You. 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