Bill, That's the only way to go.
1911 records should be at the Archives, if you can transfer the small amount they ask for they will email you the record within a short time. *Note:*The request for the issue of certificates, when properly identified, can be sent directly to the respective Public Libraries and Regional Archives, according to the island, being: Public Library and Regional Archive of Ponta Delgada - São Miguel and Santa Maria islands | email: [email protected] Margaret On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 11:31 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < [email protected]> wrote: > Margaret, > > It all looks like this is the correct record because of the names. > However, because the birth date is diff then what I had all this time, and > no mention of her middle name Salome, I just cannot be certain. I will need > to send for her marriage record from the civil office because it was nov > 1911 > and I don't see that date on any of the sites . The children were born > 1912 and 1915. Again I will need to send for the records from the civil > office so I can be certain. > > Thank you for your help. > > Bill. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> > To: azores <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, May 23, 2018 9:58 pm > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS > > Bill, > > Here's a quick summary of the record. Yes it does name Grandparents. > > # 42 Maria, 2nd of the name > Baptised on the 22nd day of October of the year 1887 > Maria, born on the 21st day of the current month and year, legitimate > daughter, second of the name, of Antonio da Silva Calisto, proprietor, and > of Maria Julia da Motta, Dona, housewife, residing in Rua Direita of this > parish, where they were married and were born; paternal granddaughter of > Jose Antonio da Silva Calisto and of Fortunata Emilia Tavares, Dona and > maternal, of Manuel Cabral de Melo and Antonia Guilhermina da Mota, Dona. > Godfather, Antonio Taveira da Silva, married, proprietor and godmother, > Maria de Santo Cristo, Dona, single. > Margaret > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 5:01 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Who is the Cabral And does it have grandparents listed ? > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> > To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2018 4:55 pm > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS > > The left Maria (#42) is 2nd of the name (there's another Maria born before > her). She's the daughter of Antonio da Silva Calisto, proprietor, and Dona > Maria Julia de Motta. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:15 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Margaret, > > This very well could be what I am searching for. The names I see Mota, > de Silva, Cabral are all names I have on the back of her death cert. I do > not know where I got them so long ago. > She married a Cabral de Rego, but I absolutely remember family saying she > was a Cabral before marriage. I would never believe she lied about her > age. [image: Smiling face with halo] LOL > > Can someone do a full translation on this and I can then do the match. > > Thank You, > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Margaret Vicente <[email protected]> > To: azores <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, May 22, 2018 12:29 pm > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS > > Bill, > > Reading through your email again it seems you don't know exactly know who > your Maria Salome's parents are. The 1911 marriage records should be > available in the public Archives. > > The passport lists Maria Salome as 29 years old in Mar of 1917 making the > year of birth 1887/1888 not 1889. > > There's a Maria born Oct 21 1887 whose mother's name is Julia Mota, which > is one of the names you mention in one of your emails. Have a look, left > side. Link below. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- > PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P69.html > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 19, 2018 at 9:31 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Yes, but the birth date I have does not match the record. > > I have 23 Oct 1889 on two US records and the baptismal we found is Nov 17 > 1889. > I just want to verify one or the other. using her marr or birth of > children records > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> > To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > Sent: Sat, May 19, 2018 9:26 pm > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP RECORDS > > I thought you found her in Pico da Pedra. Cheri > > On May 19, 2018 6:24 PM, "bill2232 via Azores Genealogy" < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Back to my grandmother > > Maria Solomi Cabral b 24 Oct 1889 Shows on her naturalization papers and > her death cert. > I Cannot find a baptismal record for this date Only what is below. > Marr Guilherme Cabral Nov 1911 > Son Jose Cabral 11 Sept 1912 > Dau Margaret 16 Oct 1915 > > In order to confirm one of the below records, I need to find either the > Marr record, > or the birth / baptismal for Jose and Margaret. > Are these only avail by request from the civil offices because of the > dates? > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cheri Mello <[email protected]> > To: Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Jan 16, 2018 11:23 pm > Subject: Re: Re: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] HELP WITH TRANSLATE > > #54 is Maria d/o of Jose Pereira de Motta and Mariana Augusta. Not close. > > If you live in northern CA and can go to the DAR Ancestor Roundup (I think > it's called), a Portuguese class will be taught there by Rosemarie. Or if > you are in Escalon, CA in June, Joao Ventura is offering some mini-classes. > Or if you can go to the Salt Lake Institute of Genealogy, they have a week > long course at the end of the month. Any of those classes will help you. > It's kinda like you are taking wild guesses. Your Maria is most likely > going to have a side note, all squishy and it will mention the marriage to > her husband. Cheri > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 6:21 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Margaret, > > I have an old hand written note listing father as William Cabral and > mother a Maria Julia Motta > I do not recall where I obtained the info. > I also found another state record listing her birth date as 22 Oct 1889 > but no records for 17 Nov ???/ > > Could this be it # 54 as I see a Motta listed > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- > PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P129.html > > Bill > > In a message dated 1/16/2018 2:04:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Miguel, > No problem, but there your Maria's birth date of Oct 24 doesn't match this > record. > > No. 53 - Maria > Birthdate: 17-Nov-1889 > Baptised: 25-Dec-1889 > Parents: Jose Cabral, vendeiro (bartender or store owner/goods seller) and > Jacinta da Gloria > Paternal Grandparents: Antonio Cabral e Rosa de Jesus > Mat. GP: Manuel Martins and Margarida Julia > Godfather: Manuel Pedro de Almeida, married, worker > > Took a peak at other Maria's for 1888 and 1889 and none have a Oct 24th > birth date. > > Margaret > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 11:11 AM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Thank You Margaret, > > I will now be able to do further research on him. > > Any chance you could translate this one to see if it is his wife Maria > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- > PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P133.html > > Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b 10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel Riberia Grande > Pico de Padre > Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria I found her > passport listing from > Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William > Cabral and Mother Julia Motta > > In a message dated 1/16/2018 9:32:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Sorry, the Godmother is Guilhermina Isabel. > The Godfather trade was that of "cabouqueiro" stone cutter > > Margaret > > On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Margaret Vicente < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Bill, > > I think this may be your William's birth record. His name is Guilherme > > Birth date: April 25th 1887 > First child of this name born to: Jose Cabral to Rego, carvoeiro [this was > a profession and it is a person who sells or makes charcoal] natural of Sao > Vicente Ferreira, and of his wife Julia da Conceicao > Paternal Grandparents: Francisco Cabral do Rego and Maria de Jesus > Maternal Grandparents: Jose Soares e Francisca de Jesus > Godparents: Manuel do Couto, and his wife Guilhermina > > To confirm you should be ordering their marriage record. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- > PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889/SMG-RG-PICODAPEDRA-B-1885-1889_item1/P60.html > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 8:56 PM, bill2232 via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Hello all, > > I am new to the group, and just finding my way around. Everyone is so > helpful and supportive to us newbies. > > I am researching > William Cabral b 4 / 25 / 1887 Sao Miguel Came to US 1914 but have not > found anything yet. > > Wife Maria Cabral Cabral b 10 / 24/ 1889 Sao Miguel Riberia Grande > Pico de Padre > Came to US 1917 with son Jose and daughter Maria I found her > passport listing from > Ponta Delgada May 10, 1917 As far as I know, father was also a William > Cabral and Mother Julia Motta > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS > SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html > > I think I found her baptismal record, but cannot read much Only Maria in > the margin and Cabral in the text. > > http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS > SAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1916-1920_item1/P82.html > > Can someone tell me what the headings are on top of the passport listing, > and where I can get the baptismal record translated to see if it actually > is her. > > Are any of these records or any records from that time frame indexed to > make my search easier? 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