Sam, Those that grew up in the Azores or are more familiar with the history would have to chime in on how a child of an "adulterer" would be viewed over there.
Cheri Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 8:56 AM 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < [email protected]> wrote: > Interesting how they recorded this stuff. Cheri, or anyone, do you know > if there was a stigma attached to the child or to the parents for that > matter? I found it somewhat surprising that in the record I found it > stated that the husband had been “away for over 300 days” Certainly > leaves no doubt that the baby wasn’t his. So many scenarios in my mind for > when/if the husband returns. What happens to the baby? Mom keeps it, it > goes in the roda, dad keeps it. I did find one record where the mom wasn’t > listed, only the dad. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > *From: *Cheri Mello <[email protected]> > *Sent: *Friday, March 8, 2019 12:15 PM > *To: *Azores Genealogy <[email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Avo incognito, Avo occulto; difference? > > > > The "adulterer" term isn't used as in today's definition. Basically, one > (or both) parties were married. I have one record in my family where > Francisco was single, Maria was married to So-and-So. Francisco and Maria > had a baby. Francisco was listed as the adulterer. By today's definition, > Maria was the adultress and Francisco having relations with a married woman > isn't a nice thing, but I can't think of a "proper" word for that in the > English language. I know lots of name-calling terms for that, but I don't > think there's a proper word for a single man who has a relationship with a > married woman. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 11:09 AM JesseAndDeborah Mendonca < > [email protected]> wrote: > > While they both translate to hidden, as in refuse to name; oculto > definition includes not known. Could that be the difference? > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:31 AM Leonor Bertoni <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hi Sam, > > I have wondered about all these terms as well. I have found that when the > priest says "adulterina" he usually also mentions a father. Someone once > told me that it meant that the baby was conceived before marriage or the > couple were not married at all. > > > > On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 12:12, 'Sam (Camas, WA)' via Azores Genealogy < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Happy Friday morning everyone; > > > > As I’ve been extracting baptisms/births, I have noticed that the same > priest during the same time period will sometimes use Avo incognito and > other times use Avo occult and on occasion simply state that it is > “natural de” and the mother’s name with no mention at all of the father. > On only one occasion, so far, has it been stated that the mother is > “adulterina” (may not have spelled that correctly) > > > > Does anyone know why it is recorded in these various ways. I understand > that if you are single you are not an “adulterine” but; other than that, > what are the differences? > > > > Thanks for educating me,. > > > > Sam (Mazatlán, MX) > > > > > > [image: > https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> > > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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