> > (YL) > > Isaac is not going to agree, but I would think that the dagesh is meant to > compensate for the loss of the Yod. > > (PP) Do you know whether there are other analogous cases in the Hebrew language? I mean nouns like 'bayit' having a plural like 'battiym'.
Regards Pere Porta (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain) > > Yigal Levin > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Pere Porta > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:57 PM > To: Randall Buth > Cc: Hebrew > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Why dagesh in batey? > > Hello, all. > I'm wondering why noun 'bayit', house, takes a dagesh within the tav in its > plural form (in both absolute and construct.) > > Look at Am 3:15, where both plural kinds appear. > > Is there a good reason for this dagesh? > > Pere Porta > (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain) > > > > > 2010/10/27 Randall Buth <[email protected]> > > > >> Since you proposed this to Pere > > >> it would only be curtious to provide him with your proposed form. > > > > > [KR] > > > The “proposed form” is the word as written. Without the Masoretic > points. > > > > > >> > > [RB] > > >> So without a proposed and supported form > > >> there is nothing to discuss. Just how do you propose to take a > > >> root alef.yod.dalet and produce a pi``el participle spelled > > >> mem.alef.dalet? > > > > > > Was that a tri-literal or a bi-literal root? The concept that all > > Biblical > > > Hebrew verbs have tri-literal roots is “first year Hebrew” which I > > question, > > > and for good reason. If bi-literal root, just as written. > > > > First, you referred to a noun with alef.yod.dalet., a tri-litteral root. > > > > Secondly, a 'bi-litteral pi``el' is non-communicative as it stands. > > > > What in the world is it supposed to sound like and why would it > > be called a pi``el? > > A pi``el? what kind of morphology is a pi``el? > > You don't have a structural length phoneme > > in the middle in your system, so what is it? > > > > We do have 'two-letter' "pi``el-types"s, but they get their > > middle length through reduplication: > > kilkel, siksek, tsiftsef, kirker, ti`ta`, etc. > > None of which supports m.alef.dalet as a "pi``el". > > > > This raises a question, > > why do you have a category "pi``el"? > > It's from the Masoretes ! > > You are free to invent your own language without a pi``el > > category. > > You don't have any phonemic consonantal length to deal with. > > You can attribute verbs with 'm' prefixes to hif`il, and those without > 'm', > > to either Qal QATAL or Hif`il YIQTOL. > > And you aren't constrained with having to explain > > correspondences within and with Arabic, Syriac, Mishnaic Hebrew, > > and Masoretic Hebrew, and Akkadian and Ugaritic. (They do all > > have lengthened middle-letter binyanim. And none of them would > > support m.'.d. as a "pi``el". But since none of these are consonantal > > BH, you could ignor them and declare them irrelevant. [this doesn't > > make it true, but you could do it.]) > > > > Or, otherwise, you will need to explain how a two-consonant root can be > > a pi``el, whatever that ends up being in your system. > > Without an explanation and definition of the pi``el morphology, the > > proposal > > of an 'undefined pi``el' becomes gibberish//charabiya. > > > > So please be a little clearer with your definitions of pi``el. > > > > -- > > Randall Buth, PhD > > www.biblicalulpan.org > > [email protected] > > Biblical Language Center > > Learn Easily - Progress Further - Remember for Life > > _______________________________________________ > > b-hebrew mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > > > > > > -- > Pere Porta > "Ei nekrói ouk eguéirontai, fágomen kai píomen áurion gar apothnéskomen" > (1Cor 15:32) > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > -- Pere Porta "Ei nekrói ouk eguéirontai, fágomen kai píomen áurion gar apothnéskomen" (1Cor 15:32) _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
