That's interesting, Doug. I have never been clear that the concept of a Messiah, other than that of someone who had been anointed/smeared with oil as a sort of "badge of honor," existed prior to the late second temple period. I think the concept of a salvific warrior-priest began to crystalize during the gruesome persecution of the Pharisees by Jonathan/Alexander Jannaeus (the "wicked priest" of Pesher Habakkuk) and evolved during the hegemony of the "kittim" (Romans). I think we see the beginnings of Messianic "hope" beginning to form in 4Q175 (Testimonia) with its TWO Messiahs, the Davidic warrior king who will kick butt and restore Israel and his sidekick, the priestly Messiah; and the Manual of Discipline 1QS. This suggests that the author of the 2nd temple concept may have been the Moreh haTsaddik himself. I think the conjoining of the two Messiahs, as found in CD, occurred during the "kittim" period post 63 BCE.
Jack -----Original Message----- From: Doug Belot Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 5:36 PM To: Jack Kilmon Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Idioms Hi Jack , would you include "daughter of Zion" , 2nd Kga 19:21 , Zec 9:9 , Math 21:5 , John 12:15 , , this being a reference to Israel during the era of the Prophets, Zion is Israel before the Messaih and daughter of Zion is the Israel that welcomed the Messiah , Math 21:5,Joh12:15. doug belot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Kilmon" <[email protected]> To: "Hebrew" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 05, 2011 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] Idioms > Hi all: > > First, if there are any Muslim members, may I offer my best wishes for > Ramadan. > > I have found in my Aramaic background studies relevant to the NEW > Testament > that idiom is very often overlooked in doing exegesis. I would be very > interested if some members would post examples of Hebrew idioms, > euphemisms, > metaphors and figures of speech from the Tanakh that often go unclarified > but which may affect exegesis, particularly by Christians. Perhaps there > is > a seminal work on this as well. > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Kilmon > Houston, TX > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3809 - Release Date: 08/04/11 05:11:00 _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
