Dear Barry, I have one question to you. See below. Onsdag 19. Juni 2013 13:51 CEST skrev Barry <[email protected]>: > On 6/19/2013 1:31 AM, Jonathan Mohler wrote: > > This seems rather far afield from Biblical Hebrew, but oh well... > > > What Rolf is suggesting is not speculation, it is inference. Neither is > > it circular reasoning. The fact that the NT mss have KS is a bonafide > > conundrum. At least as it concerns the Gospel of Matthew, and at the > > very least the sayings of Jesus. If there is one clear aspect of Jesus' > > teaching is that he intentionally exposed man-made traditions which were > > in direct violation of the Torah. He taught his disciples to disregard > > them at every turn in full view of the Pharisees. (For the moderators' > > sake: I am not making a faith statement just an argument from what is > > commonly accepted and unambiguous). These "traditions of the fathers" > > as they were so-called were /*well-intentioned*/. No one doubts that > > the Rabbis had the welfare of the people in mind, but their effect was > > to destroy the original intent of the Torah. This was the central > > teaching of Jesus against these teachers. In this light, one can't help > > but ask whether the tradition of concealing the name of God doesn't fall > > under "traditions of the fathers" that supplant the law of God, and if so > > I'm sorry, but it's not a conundrum at all, and your rabbit trail on > Jesus' teaching on tradition does nothing to explain the habits of > scribes. You'll note that it's not just KURIOS which lends itself to a > nomen sacrum. It's not an attempt to conceal the divine name, but an > abbreviation which is explainable on other grounds -- see Hurtado and > Comfort, much of whom Steven Avery has handily quoted in another post. > > > > This part of the argument baffles me. The fact that the extant NT mss > > all have KS says nothing about the first century. They just speak to > > the fact that in the second century Scribes put KS for God's name. > > That's all. There is no more evidence in these mss for KYRIOS than > > for YHWH or IAO. And it doesn't matter if there is one MS or 5000 MSS. > > Until we find MSS from the first century with KYRIOS, we cannot speak > > of the newer documents as evidence. The scant evidence (OT Greek mss > > BCE) that Rolf has presented speaks more to the issue than the silence > > of the first century autographs. The argument may be weak, but as an > > inductive argument, it is cogent. > > Again, a nomen sacrum is a form of abbreviation. If KS or the equivalent > is used (the second letter varies according to the case of the word), > then it is a logical and far easier explanation that the exemplar the > copyist used had either KS or KURIOS.
QUESTION: Is KS in the second century CE LXX manuscripts an abbreviation? If so, an abbreviation of what? > > -- > N.E. Barry Hofstetter > Semper melius Latine sonat > The American Academy > http://www.theamericanacademy.net > The North American Reformed Seminary > http://www.tnars.net > Bible Translation Magazine > http://www.bible-translation.net > > http://my.opera.com/barryhofstetter/blog > > -- > N.E. Barry Hofstetter > Semper melius Latine sonat > The American Academy > http://www.theamericanacademy.net > The North American Reformed Seminary > http://www.tnars.net > Bible Translation Magazine > http://www.bible-translation.net > > http://my.opera.com/barryhofstetter/blog > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew Best regards, Rolf Furuli Stavern Norway _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
