john, david considering the hebrew ($$ (get dark?) and ($N (smoke), i would associate ($ with black/dark. i think i made a similar remark a year or two ago in connection with ESAU.
nir cohen On Sat, 22 Jun 2013 01:49:38 +0100 (BST), J. Leake wrote > David, to help your search, be aware that the second/third root letter of עש > 'aš - 'moth' - is from the proto-Semitic θ /th/ which becomes t in Aramaic, s > in Ethiopic (and doubtless Amharic from there) and š in Canaanite and > Akkadian. What a pleasing conceit that the moth should fall into the fire... > > Akkadian has ašašu according to CAD which appears in a lexical list with the > common word for moth, sassu/sāsu, as a gloss. And Hebrew sas סס is a synonym > for עש, isn't it? The case is looking strong for moth, isn't it! > > > John Leake > > 'inna SâHiba Hayâtin hanî'atin lâ yudawwinuhâ: 'innamâ, yaHyâhâ. > (He who lives a comfortable life doesn't write about it - he lives it.) > Tawfiq al-Hakim, Yawmiyyât Nâ'ib fil-'Aryâf. > > From: David Kolinsky <[email protected]> > To: Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <[email protected]>; K Randolph > <[email protected]> > Cc: B-Hebrew <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 1:57 > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ($ (job 4:19) > > > Nir / Karl etc: > > I quickly checked (while my 14 month old was screaming for me to pick her up) > my simple dictionaries for Akkadian, Syriac, Sabaic and Amharic. > > Only Amharic had moth under the same heading as fire ?S(sibilant)(I don't > remember if it was S or Sh). > Clearly I am no expert - but my understanding is that Amharic has lost its > distinction between aleph, ayin, heh, and chaet. > Hence it was with its equivalent of AeSh = fire. > > My understanding for the base meaning for \S - \Sh is "to perform / persist > at something" > Caterpillar's seem to be insatiable consumers, perhaps it has something to do > with that? > > David Kolinsky, > Monterey, CA > > > > > From: Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <[email protected]> > To: K Randolph <[email protected]> > Cc: B-Hebrew <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [b-hebrew] ($ (job 4:19) > > > karl, > > really, looking a bit closer into the problem, i discovered that moth is > indeed considered the > main destroyer of cloths. the difficulty in assessing the termites in this > respect is that > today's clothes and houses are different than the BH standard. > > in general, termites eat cellulose: lumber, doors, furniture, cardboard, > paper, wallpaper etc. > but as garments used to be made from cotton and linen mostly, i imagine that > they would > destroy them too. to do this, they build thin tunnels along the house walls, > until they find cellulose. > > http://laundry.about.com/od/laundrybasics/ss/Insects-That-Destroy-Clothes-Insect-Clothes-Pests_8.htm > > > what they excel at is the other property you mentioned: building houses. > > nir cohen > > ps is ($ used in other semitic languages? > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2013 08:49:08 -0700, K Randolph wrote > > Nir: > > > > OnThu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Nir cohen - Prof. Mat. <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > karl, > > > > >>>This is an animal that eats clothing Isaiah 50:9, and builds houses Job > > 27:18. This description fits a caterpillar that becomes a moth. > > > > how about termites? > > > > nir cohen > > > > > > I’ll have to admit that I never considered termites. > > > > 1) because the dictionaries I worked from all mentioned “moth” and > > caterpillars are immature moths (even in English we talk about “moth eaten” > > when in reality it’s the caterpillars, not the adult moths, that do the > > damage). > > > > 2) Do termites have a reputation for eating cloth? I haven’t heard of it. > > > > Karl W. Randolph. > > -- > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org/) > > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew > > _______________________________________________ > b-hebrew mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org)
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