Hi Tom,

I am another lurker here....
I think that the music business and entertainment business will have to eventually behave like any normal retailer does. Can you imagine buying a chain-saw and then paying an extra royalty for every piece of wood that you cut? Well as a member of the public that is what is being asked by paying more every time you access and pay for the same content that others have heard on first hearing for free. It is far better for everyone to pay a fair price upfront, a price that reflects the owners desire to make money.... once any digital content is released it will always follow its own route through the public domain. If you are a professional user of content then your own desire to earn money should help protect others in the similar business, that said musicians and film directors have been stealing whole songs, sounds and ideas off each other for decades.
That is why they have lawyers.
DRM will always be a no go area...... it really is an impossible task to control.
Hope this makes some sense

Richard
On 8 Dec 2005, at 13:53, tom coombs wrote:

interesting, but would people not try to get around paying? or one pays and shares the goods.

and do heavy users pay the same as light users ?

another Tom



Tom Kerswill wrote:
Good point! Hopefully that kind of thing would be fairly easy to pick up though :-) I suppose it's a bit like chart-rigging or spamming Google or anything else - a bit of a pain but hopefully possible to get around it.
Tom
David Sargeant wrote:
I like this idea in theory but, and putting data protection aside, what is to stop people just cracking the revenue share info (or 50000 'idle' PCs playing my songs on loop for that matter) and earning themselves lots of
money?


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Subject: [backstage] iMP and alternative models to DRM

Hi backstage people,

I'm a bit of a lurker on the list and have been catching up! Especially on
the iMP and how its DRM has apparently been cracked.

Someone mentioned alternatives to DRM and I just thought I'd throw something I've been thinking about into the melting pot. I was thinking of it in terms of the music industry mainly, but it would be applicable to any kind of
content.

Rather than stopping people listing to what they want by using DRM, how about every user paying a license which allows them to listen to any music, but then sample / monitor what they listen to. For example - last.fm tracks what I am listening to on iTunes, whether it's a CD, a download from iTunes, or a bit of music from a website. Taking all the data, you can build a profile of who's listening to what music. You can then split the revenue from the license amongst all content creators, depending on how much their content has been listened to. Just like the PRS does with radio airplay.

Going back to the iMP. As it is really an extension of a radio / tv player --- albeit one where the user chooses when and what content they listen to --- why not just treat it like any other TV / radio / content channel? Sample what everyone is listening to and pay royalties based on that?

I know that this is a huge simplification --- and probably licensing laws for old content don't allow it --- but surely in the future this is going to be the simplest way to do it? Because it does always seem that people work
out how to crack DRMs eventually...

... even if the "cracking" is as low-tech as simply plugging an mp3 player
into the phono output of your computer while playing a BBC show.

Tom
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