> A part of what you say shows exactly why a new "global" > standard needs to be designed to catalogue digital data. The > time has come, for copyright reasons as well as real control > factors, to identify every single piece of digital data that > is produced at source. From the output of a camera or a live > microphone, all the way through to TV/Radio/Net.... all of it > is now digitised at some point. > Surely at the point of encoding it will make the connections > you speak of so much easier to control. Just select from a > database in any control room. > As in CD's, it needs date of production,owner,country and > maybe a specific numerical tag to ID the exact content. > A url is simply not enough, or too complicated, to allow the > convergence that we are now seeing. With this, all bit-stream > readers, from computers onwards, could read that code. I know > it is a "big" issue, and perhaps not for Backstage, but the > effect would be tremendous.... we could all then produce, > connect, choose or even pay, with that same tiny professional code.
Yes, I agree. I was going to say that there should be some 'global story code' but I thought that would make my explanation more complex than required. The idea I had was that a master database could always convert the story URL into the relevant 'global story code'. It's always easier to implement a system that is built on a well-supported existing system than roll out a new one, IMHO. > > On a lighter note, isn't it funny that there is always > someone available on commercial shows to add, "phone lines > now closed" on a repeat. :-) I have seen it a lot, and find > it very amusing. > > RichE > > > On 12 Jan 2007, at 19:59, George Wright wrote: > > > Brian Butterworth wrote: > >> Nice idea for a side-by-side information system for Five > Live. I've > >> said before that it would be great for the BBC's live news > services > >> (so, Radio 4, Five Live, News24 and BBC World) to constantly > >> broadcast a live news.bbc.co.uk unique identifier alongside each > >> story. > >> > > .<snip> > >> On digital TV it would be very handy for the current story to made > >> available IN FULL as part of the OpenTV (satellite) or MHEG5 > >> (Freeview) service. These "red button" services have > very, very cut > >> down versions of the stories on their services (to save > bandwidth and > >> increase response times), but it wouldn't break the bitstream bank > >> for the full text of one story to be accessible in full by > pressing > >> the red button. > > > > Hi there. I work in Interactive TV development at the BBC. > This is an > > interesting idea. A few things about it immediately spring to mind: > > > > * We don't always have associated (on iTV) stories for > each bulletin > > that News produces (there are a lot of bulletins, and a lot of > > channels, and limited space for text content, as you've > noticed) - so > > what do we do when there's no iTV content around a specific story > > within a bulletin? > > > > * We're seeing increasing use of time shifted viewing - > (Vod, PVRs, > > the catchup TV stuff we're doing, home brew Myth/ whatever boxes) - > > and unless these save the MHEG/ data stream (unlikely for most of > > them) anyone viewing after the event will, at best, be taken to a > > completely unrelated story. Not a deal-breaker, but still a bit > > annoying > > > > * If the story *does* exist, how do we identify it? Some stuff's > > easy(ish) - ('new Bush announcement', 'UK Minister > resigns', etc) - > > but a lot of more complex stories might have a number of different > > options. This will involve human intervention or some > clever munging > > to match up - which could go wrong. > > > > * If we have identified the story correctly, mapping it > precisely to > > the time of the slot within the bulletin will be hard (bulletins go > > out live and don't always stick to the running order). It'd > probably > > involve some one pushing buttons in the playout area iun > real time to > > sync it to the > > broadcast- and to do that for all our bulletins is a lot of people > > doing a lot of button pushing :( > > > > * There's an unpredictable latency between stuff being TXed > and being > > displayed by the receiver/ STB (depending on platform, > satellite, etc > > etc) . This could mean we have 'stale', 'unrelated' content > around the > > story. > > > > * Ugh, regional variation (of linear news bulletins compared to our > > relatively un-regionalised iTV content) > > > > * Assuming all the above are solved (gets out magic wand), we still > > have to get the viewer to the content. The 'bridge' (right > hand side > > bar you get when you press red) has space for specific > content slots, > > and main headlines, etc - but tbh whatever's on BBC News at > 1822 on a > > slow news day might not make the cut - and if we can't get > the viewer > > to the content, all the above is lost. It wouldn't be an option to > > take people straight to the news story in question simply by them > > pressing the red button - not everyone's pressing red to > find out more > > information on said news story > > > > All that said, it is something to think about. Interested > in people's > > thoughts. > > > >> Also, for PC reception of Freeview or DSat, a current-story- > >> identifier would - software permitting -allow XP Media > Center, Vista > >> Ultimate etc to link to a relevant web page. > > > > Where would we put this data track? And how would the > software at the > > other end decode it? There's limited support for MHEG decoding/ > > browsing on consumer DVB-T PC cards, and I don't know that we'd be > > embedding urls in TV based content. I'm also unsure of any consumer > > Open TV based decoder for PCs, which would rule out people > moving to > > content from a DSAT stream. > > > > Regards and thanks for the thought-provoking idea > > > > George > > > > > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > > please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ > > mailing_list.html. 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