Andy, Any chance you could stop with the accusations of dishonesty? I think Ian's general demeanour and hard work for backstage deserve a little more respect than being accused of being (even unintentionally) dishonest without good reason.
I don't get the impression that you mean to be quite so combative and aggressive, but it kind of sours the atmosphere around here. How about assuming a misunderstanding the next time and only accusing people of lying if there is good reason to believe they are trying to mislead you? d. Deirdre Harvey :: Web Producer :: BBC Newsline :: Newsroom :: BBC Broadcasting House :: Ormeau Avenue :: Belfast BT2 8HQ :: ph. 02890 338264 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester > Sent: 22 January 2008 18:34 > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script > > Oh and I think Mr Forrester may have been a tad dishonest (possibly > unintentionally) when claiming RTMP and FLV where just like > PDF and that anyone can create readers for them. PDF is an > ISO standard! I can't find formal standards for RTMP and FLV, > did I miss them somewhere? Tried RFC/IETF and ISO, neither > have anything. > ---- > > I meant before PDF become a ISO standard, and I didn't mean > to compare them as standards but rather proprietary standards > which got turned into standards. > > Of course it was all unintentional :( > > Sorry for the upset this might have caused :( > > Ian Forrester > > This e-mail is: [x] private; [] ask first; [] bloggable > > Senior Producer, BBC Backstage > BC5 C3, Media Village, 201 Wood Lane, London W12 7TP > email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > work: +44 (0)2080083965 > mob: +44 (0)7711913293 > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andy > Sent: 22 January 2008 14:02 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [backstage] RTMP stream URL resolving script > > On 21/01/2008, Iain Wallace <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Back to RTMP. I was looking at the documentation and some > of the code > > for RTMP with a view to maybe porting it into this script. > It's really > > quite nasty! > > If only there was a nice simple document. Unfortunately it > all appears to be reverse engineered. And thus there are > parts that are clear guess work (or just plain not defined. > Like the randomish data used near the beginning of the handshake). > > At the risk of going wildly of topic. Is there anywhere that > describes all this business with remote procedure calls? Does > this mean an RTMP client needs to have a full interpreter for > some programming language and isn't allowing unauthenticated > remote entities to make function calls on your system a "bad > idea". I can think of lots of unfriendly function calls one > would not want people to make. > > > Any extensions to this script from me are likely going to > be calls to > > apps importing the rtmp.c written for Gnash. > > PHP calls to a C library? (Sorry been a very long time since > I did PHP, many years, ah the good old days ) > > I was trying to write a little something in Java to basically > determine what programs where available, what versions where > available and some details about them. > > Ran into one massive problem. Well 2, one I have more > important commitments that come first, and 2: How does one > obtain a list of whats on iPlayer without spidering the > entire A to Z each time? Is there something one can put in > the filter URL parameter that says "only programs added since > X"? Or a way of listing more than 6 entries at a time? > > > Oh and I think Mr Forrester may have been a tad dishonest (possibly > unintentionally) when claiming RTMP and FLV where just like > PDF and that anyone can create readers for them. PDF is an > ISO standard! I can't find formal standards for RTMP and FLV, > did I miss them somewhere? Tried RFC/IETF and ISO, neither > have anything. > > Also would it be possible to get the stream in a sensible format? > If you ever want iPlayer on a mobile use a viable format. For > reference Android (Google's Mobile Platform) supports MPEG4 and H.264. > How about a stream in one of those formats? > > The biggest problem with getting iPlayer on exotic devices is > the BBC lack of public documentation and no simple way of > finding out things that should be documented fully somewhere. > > As an example here is some questions I had after only a few > hours work on some Java code: > The versions listed on the HTML page have a date. What > timezone is this meant to be in? > Am I correct in thinking the month is 0 indexed? And that the order > is: Year, Month, Day_Of_Month, Hour, Minutes, Seconds With > Hour being expressed using the 24 hour clock? > And how precisely is Midnight represented? > And which elements are optional in the XML files? > Which elements can be repeated? > What are the different values of the id field in the element > error returned when a stream is invalid? What do these values > mean and when do they occur? > What are the acceptable characters in the PID? > What are the acceptable characters in the Token field? > How precisely does the filter argument in the URL for the > iPlayer A to Z actually work? > It appears to be some kind of query language, what are the > names of fields and operators? > > Some of those would have been answered by the XML Schemes. > > So if you really are interested in exotic platforms, then > maybe telling people what they need to know would help! > > Andy > > -- > Computers are like air conditioners. Both stop working, if > you open windows. > -- Adam Heath > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To > unsubscribe, please visit > http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/
