> It's kind of admirable that you're attempting to model the structure of TV > shows, but as is hinted at in Michael's comment below, we could easily end up with a big gulf between the BBC's understanding vs the public's understanding.
you're not wrong. we do do a fair bit of user testing around this stuff and attempt to match what we model to audience mental models. it's not always easy tho. we also need to consider how programmes are grouped outside of web pages - eg series record on pvr, podcasts etc. for all your examples below consider what happens when u press series record - what do you expect to be recorded? > Part of the problem is that it can all be so complicated, and there are tons > of edge cases! more edge cases than not. knowing when to stop modelling is the tricky part > What's the relationship between Doctor Who and Doctor Who Confidential? They > are different programmes, but very closely related (part of the same brand, > but also a 1:1 relationship between individual episodes). we'd say they're 2 different brands grouped by a franchise. series record dr who and u don't get DWC! so far we haven't modelled episode > episode relationships (episode <depictsMakingOf> episode) but franchises (horrible word but the best we could come up with) are coming soon > How about the relationship between Doctor Who Confidential and Doctor Who > Confidential Cut Down? Are they different versions of the same show, or different shows? Same issue for Have I Got News For You and Have I Got More News For You. One the one hand, TV shows (and films especially) have always been edited down or extended as different versions, on the other hand, HIGNFY and HIGMNFY are marketed under different names on different channels. the closest we've come so far is different brands with different episodes that share some segments!?! > How about the Doctor Who Christmas specials? Which series do they fit into, > the beginning of a new series or the end of the last one? Or are they their > own 1-part series? they belong directly to the doctor who brand. ie they're not in any series. pips supports a mixed content model so a brand can have a combination of child series and child episodes > What about the Doctor Who Children in Need Special (apologies for all the > Doctor Who examples) - should they fit under both the Doctor Who and Children > in Need brands, or just one or the other? NEVER mention CIN around BBC data modellers. it makes them whimper > Finally, it'd be nice if you could model the 'theme nights' that every > broadcaster seems to be doing now (a tactic by the schedulers to hold onto > viewers for hours at a time). Currently these don't seem to get represented > on the BBC website at all, despite being trailed heavily on air. seasons (in the uk sense) are also coming soon. these will provide a way of grouping transmissions, ondemands and content (episodes). could be used for theme nights or longer seasons (radio4's current darwin obsession eg). All of these changes will also be make to the programmes ontology very soon http://purl.org/ontology/po/ > Frankie would u like a job? : ) > > > Jamie. > > On 5/1/09 14:44, "Michael" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Monday 05 January 2009 11:26:25 Jamie Tetlow wrote: > >> Getting down to the nitty-gritty of our internal data structure we'd > >> probably say that the International World Service 'Top of the Pops' and > the > >> BBC One 'Top of the Pops' > > > > Which of course the audience simply do not, and should not have to, care > > about, ever. > > > > > > Michael. > > - > > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, > please > > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > > Unofficial list archive: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > - > Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please > visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. > Unofficial list archive: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com
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