Kern,
On Friday 29 September 2006 10:28, Kern Sibbald wrote:
> On Friday 29 September 2006 16:53, Mike Reinehr wrote:
> > I'm catching up with this thread with interest after just coming into
> > work this morning. Kern, my sympathy. I can imagine how frustrated you
> > are, but
>
> it
>
> > just goes to show how good a programmer you are, that it wasn't Bacula
> > after all!
>
> Thanks. :-)
>
> > After reading the merits & weaknesses of RHEL, SUSE, & Centos, I have
> > only
>
> one
>
> > question. Have you considered or tried Debian lately? I settled on Debian
> > several years ago after becoming disenchanted with each of the major
> > commercial distributions and haven't regreted it for a moment. (My
> > servers are humming along happily with Debian AMD64-Sarge & Bacula 1.36
> > as we
>
> speak!)
>
> Yes, I tried Debian (3.1 if I remember right), but where I could get it to
> install, it came with a 2.4 kernel, and it won't install on most systems I
> want because it cannot recognize either my graphics card or my ethernet
> card. Without the ethernet card, I either go through a painful process of
> writing files to a CD or give up, which is what I did.
I understand. The Sarge (3.1r3) installer also comes with a 2.6 kernel,
but
in my case, even that wasn't new enough to support my SATA controller. I
think I ended up using a Knoppix disk with a newer kernel to bootstrap my
installation.
The new Etch installer (beta 3) includes a 2.6.16 kernel that solves
that
problem, but if you want Sarge you either have to obtain a custom install
disk, or do a basic Etch install & then downgrade.
> Yes, Debian is very stable, and they are good about applying security fixes
> to their production system, but getting it running is a problem, they don't
> yet (at least as of a few months ago) provide security updates for
> "testing", and they lag very far behind where I want to be on my
> development machine.
FWIW the security team has begun providing at least some security
updates for
Etch.
> I don't want to sound in the least like I am knocking
> Debian, it just doesn't at the moment quite fit what I am looking for. I
> see that they are discussing/changing a lot of things (possibly hiring
> developers!), perhaps some of that comes from Ubantu, so I'm lingering in
> the sidelines waiting to see what happens. I don't exclude Debian for my
> server, which is currently on FC4 -- except that I don't think that Debian
> either has SELinux (as my server does) or AppArmor as SuSE does.
Actually, SELinux does seem now to be available both for Sarge & Etch,
but I
don't know anything about it.
Oh well, I just couldn't resist putting in a plug for Debian, but I
think I
rather would prefer discussing religion or politics than debating the merits
of Linux distributions! ;-)
Cheers!
cmr
PS Bearing in mind your message about email bounces, I received three
copies
of your reply--one addressed to me, personally, and two addressed to
bacula-users.
PPS I'm a user of apcupsd, too!
> > Three Cheers for Bacula!
>
> Thanks, especially for the words of encouragement.
>
> Kern
>
> PS: Thanks to all of you who voted for the bug report I filed -- the last
> time I looked there were 18 votes!
>
> The good news as of a couple of minutes ago is that their 10.2 kernel
> 2.6.18-rc5-git6-2-bigsmp does not have the bug, so at least I have an all
> SuSE solution :-)
>
> > cmr
> >
> > On Friday 29 September 2006 08:00, Kern Sibbald wrote:
> > > On Friday 29 September 2006 14:39, Alan Brown wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2006, Kern Sibbald wrote:
> > > > >> Centos is _very_ stable. RHEL can be licensed quite cheaply if you
> > > > >> don't buy the support package (about US$10/machine)
> > > > >
> > > > > The last time I looked (some time ago), it was over $200/machine.
>
> That
>
> > > > > is
> > >
> > > too
> > >
> > > > > much for me. For a company or someone serious about servers,
> > > > > that's
>
> OK
>
> > > and
> > >
> > > > > quite far given their security updates.
> > > >
> > > > Redhat offer some discounts for developers, etc.
> > >
> > > That is interesting.
> > >
> > > > As a Bacula feature request is now in their system and has been
>
> requested
>
> > > > by at least 25 different customers, they may well be interested in
>
> giving
>
> > > > you a free license for development purposes.
> > >
> > > Hmmm. That is even more interesting.
> > >
> > > I actually have RHEL and access to their network, but that is because I
> > > administer a machine, where the organization (MercyShips) has a global
> > > RedHat license. That said, other than having the CDs for recovery
> > > purposes, which unfortunately I needed recently, I cannot load them on
> > > my machines.
> > >
> > > > I don't disagree with your assessment of installations - I use suse
> > > > at home, but I have serious issues with their level of
> > > > professionalism in the commercially supported products.
> > >
> > > Well, distros are a bit of a religious thing and very personal. I look
>
> for
>
> > > leading edge software, good update/security service, and stability.
>
> RedHat
>
> > > is excellent for that, but now that they are commercial, too expensive.
> > > Fedora as you say and as I experienced is too "bleeding edge". I asked
> > > them to use a 9 month release cycle, and they sent me a very kind reply
> > > giving their reasons for a 6 month cycle. I then looked at a lot of
> > > distros: debian, kubantu, ubantu, madrivia, ... However, most of them
> > > wouldn't even install on a leading edge Dell (debian, ubantu), others
> > > (kubantu) are for users that don't know Unix or the distro is a one man
> > > show without a significant organization, or rely on other distros for
> > > security patches, ...
> > >
> > > For me, for the moment, with the exception of this SCSI bug, SuSE has
> > > been great (as I say, for me). One good thing from the time I wasted
> > > on this "bug" is that I learned that within certain restrictions
> > > (SeLinux, AppArmor, ...), unlike rpms, I can mix and match kernels from
> > > different distros as I want.
> > >
> > > > (Having said that, RHEL installation is also very straoghtforward)
> > >
> > > Yes, but if *anything* goes wrong, it simply dies. SuSE has a vga
> > > exception handler that takes over (sort of like a rescue disk) that
> > > allows you in many cases to get out of trouble -- e.g. switch where the
> > > source
>
> CDs
>
> > > are coming from, .... really quite cool.
> > >
> > > > AB
> > >
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