On Monday 25 June 2007 22:45, Arno Lehmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 25.06.2007 18:32,, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote::
> > Hello List, Hello Kern,
> >
> > i am addressing a well know issue regarding bacula and it´s restore
> > feature.
> > I have seen a list where this issue is listet as the most wanted feature
> > it think.
> >
> > My questions:
> > - How long will it take until moved or deleted files will be reconized ?
>
> Until someone implemented, tested and documented it :-)
>
> > - Is there a workaround ?
>
> As was pointed out already: Use full backups, if not always, at least
> after serious changes to the OS or major file system reorganizations.
>
> > - Why are GUIs more important than fixing the greatest Bug ever? :)
>
> Probably because they are more interesting to the ones that count most
> in implementing new features: The developers.
It is true that bat is a far more interesting project for a programmer than
the moved and deleted files problem. Unfortunately, I haven't had the
pleasure of being able to work on it much lately (just ask Dirk). I've been
spending *way* too much time on bugs (not even features like moved and delete
files).
>
> I can quite well understand that Kern, for example, prefers working on
> a new project, instead of spending his time on re-working old code,
> analyzing it again, and implementing things that consist of lots of
> bean-counting.
What you say is absolutely 100% true (nice to hear it from someone else), but
in this particular case, the root of problem was I thought we had the project
covered because a seasoned developer signed up for it, but seemingly did
nothing on it (that I saw anyway) for four or five months then left the
project, rendering the #1 voted project dead in the water :-(
>
> (I could even imagine that your sort of question is not really the
> best approach to get Kern or any other developer to work on this
> feature...)
Quite true.
Here is a nice quote I found the other day that is may be appropriate --
though I don't want to imply that any Bacula users are ingrates:
"Linux users can, at times, be the worst kind of ingrates, whining and
complaining about what they perceive as missing features in a free
operating system.
My advice to all such whingers: spend 10 days using the latest version
of Windows and you'll realise that you are living in a world of relative
bliss."
I didn't make that up :-) The link to it is:
http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/13114/1090/
>
> Of course, I'm quite sure that offering serious money will help in
> finding a developer to implement the features you're missing...
That is also quite true. Somehow the offer or monetary compensation has a
magic way of arousing great enthusiasm for otherwise boring projects. We
don't get many donations -- for a utility that is so critical to people who
use it, I wonder why. Anyway I just looked at the donations list (I look
about once a month) and suprise thanks Jeff and Brennon, that helps :-)
We haven't been ignoring this project, and an inspection of the recent
archives will show that we have been discussing hash table lookups and
red/black trees for use in this project. In fact, I was planning to write up
a detailed implementation plan this weekend, but then there were bugs, bugs,
bugs ...
>
> Regarding dump as an alternative: While dump is available and reliable
> for many file systems on many operating systems, it's output is far
> less portable than what Bacula produces, and it's not available for
> quite a number of real-life filesystems at all - *these* are a major
> problems for me (and many others, I think).
You should read what Linus has to say about dump! I don't remember his exact
words but something to the effect that "yes, it seems to work, but if you
really understood kernel caching, you would realize that it cannot work and
that one day you will get burned." That's paraphrased. By the way, aside
from tar, dump is the major component of Amanda :-) I wonder when the Zmanda
VCs will realize that they spent $13 million for dump technology that Linus
says is destined to break :-) amusing (at least to me).
Kern
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