It didn't work badly up until 1993. The benefits of the change have not been realized. I respect your opinion as a longtime activist, but I respectively disagree.
For life and liberty, David Macko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:28 PM Subject: [badnarik2004] Re: [Badnarik2004-discuss] Re: [badnarik2008] Re: No National Con >I predict that this movement will complete the transition from a > revolutionary party trying to play politics, to a political party that > has forgotten where it came from ... > > There were very good reasons for shifting away from early conventions > (to shorten the time devoted to specific Presidential campaigning, for > an office that was (and still is?) clearly beyond the grasp of any > realistic effort, and with media blockage and off-balanced regulations > to overcome; to take advantage of at least C-SPAN coverage, which IIRC > did not happen until then?; etc.) > > There were also good reasons why we did not just rubber-stamp the > nonminee's choice for running mate (look up the MacBride confrontation > sometime), and why we did not just mimic the Duopoly way of doing > other things as well ... > > I am not certain that it is isn't just time for all this change to > happen, as the LP attempts to become what I kept hoping someone else > would start -- a mainstream political party with at least a vague > underpinning of Bill of Rights and liberty-based ideology beneath it. > Had this happened, the LP could have continued to do what most of us > do best: be the watchdog over the system, and the guide dog to lead it > closer to the "light" ... of liberty and a sense of personal autonomy > instead of lockstep conformity with the factory system under which it > all now operates ,,, > > Too bad, though ... A lot of good people will be walking away shaking > their heads ,,, > > Good luck, folks! > > > --- In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Although it was a plausible theory to hold later conventions to > obtain more media coverage, >> we have since learned that the media is our enemy and the later > conventions had no such >> beneficial result. >> >> For life and liberty, >> David Macko >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Arnold & Linda >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [email protected] ; badnarik ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ; badnarik2006 ; [email protected] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:54 AM >> Subject: [badnarik2004] Re: [Badnarik2004-discuss] Re: > [badnarik2008] Re: No National Convention in 2008! >> >> >> We used to do that, but then discovered we got better press > coverage having the nominating convention 4th of July. Otherwise the > only coverage we used to get was local. With our severely diminished > numbers, that might be all we can get now. >> >> Arnold >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Randy Langkraehr >> To: [email protected] ; badnarik ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; badnarik2006 ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:36 PM >> Subject: [Badnarik2004-discuss] Re: [badnarik2008] Re: No > National Convention in 2008! >> >> >> I didn't approve David Macko's original message because I > thought we should do away with the convention. >> >> I do think however, some adjustment to the system is definitely > in order. Not going to get into the chances of us winning, but I do > think we are shooting ourselves in the foot when we wait till 6 months > before the elections to choose our candidate. Gary Nolan and Michael > Badnarik and for the part he was on the campaign trail Aaron Russo > were forced to spend Summer of 2003 until Summer of 2004 carrying the > water to the sea instead of to the desert by having to go around > campaigning to Libertarians instead of campaigning to the public, > months after the other parties had their candidates in place. If we > could move the nominations up 6 months to a year, it would give the > candidates time to lay foundations and I think it would have been good > to have Michael out there talking to the public and the media rather > than running around talking to state LP conventions. >> >> Remember the big upheaval and panicky and rushed organizing that > had to go on after the unexpected nomination in 2004? Why couldn't we > make the decision spring/summer of 2007 giving our 2008 Presidential > and VP candidates an additional year to build, organize and campaign, > and use the 2008 campaign to rally and organize support for our > candidates and try to get a little press? Why shoot ourselves in the > foot by waiting till the 4th quarter to figure out the team to put in > the game? >> >> Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> David - There are two very good reasons why this proposal > doesn't work: >> >> 1) In order to take advantage of it, we would have to attract > someone >> as a candidate who wanted to campaign full time, first for the >> nomination and then for the election, beginning about 2-1/2 years >> ahead of Nov 2008. As it is only one out of our last set of > candidates >> was willing to devote ALMOST that much of his life to such a > purpose >> (though admittedly Gary Nolan jumped in not too long > thereafter). I >> really doubt that given both the likelihood of election of a > labeled >> Libertarian, anywhere above a state legislator seat in a small >> district in a small state, and the level of funding possible > to even >> pay the way for a road warrior like Michael showed he was ... > anyone >> else will be quite that self-sacrificing and congenial next time. >> >> 2) You said it yourself, we are not going to gain media > coverage, no >> matter what we do. The game is fixed and the dice are loaded. > Why then >> put any more effort and time into a sabre dive like the > Presidential >> nomination is? Far better to worry less about that, than about how >> many laws we can change through local action and plebiscite where >> possible, and by continuing to elect and raise issues with our >> candidates at the local level... >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "David Macko" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > The Libertarian Party should not have a National Convention > in 2008! >> > Now that I have your attention, let me assure everybody who is >> reading this >> > message that I am not a neocon saboteur hellbent on > destroying the >> Libertarian Party. >> > I recommend that we hold our National Convention to nominate a >> presidential candidate >> > for 2008 in 2007. >> > This was our practice from 1976 until 1996. The arguments > for the >> change seemed plausible at the >> > time, including more publicity in an election year. Since > then it >> has been proven conclusively >> > that the establishment media is our enemy and will not give > us fair >> coverage. >> > The most blatant proof of the media bias is the fact that if two >> presidential candidates had >> > been arrested in Russia, Iraq or Iran it would have been > front page >> news and covered by all >> > the networks. Yet when Michael Badnarik and Green Party > candidate >> David Cobb became the >> > first presidential candidates in American history to be arrested >> while campaigning, not to mention >> > that they were handcuffed and jailed for attempting to > commit free >> speech, even Libertarians >> > without access to the internet did not know about this > atrocity for >> weeks. >> > Nominating our candidates a year before the convention would > give >> them more time to campaign >> > with unified party support. It would make petitioning easier > in many >> states with more time and >> > less expense for paid petitioners where necessary since there is >> less competition in odd-numbered years. >> > Now is the time to promote this return to our original practice >> through all available media, including LP News. >> > >> > For life and liberty, >> > David Macko ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/g0CDCD/tzNLAA/cUmLAA/XgSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/badnarik2008/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
