On Tue, 9 May 2006, Gilberto Simpson wrote:

> On 5/9/06, Iskandar Hai, M.D. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, it's primarily your interpretation. Many many scholars, jurists, and
> > commentatators have had and still have very different interpretations of
> > jihAd.
> 
> Here is a mainstram traditional sunni site's description of jihad and
> it's conditions:
> 
> http://www.livingislam.org/icd_e.html
> 
> ""The position of the law is that only at such a time when it can be
> reasonably proven that there are aggressive designs against Islam and
> there are concerted efforts to eject Muslims from their legally
> acquired property and that military campaigns are being launched to
> eradicate them.
> At such a time the ruler can declare and execute the provisions of
> Jihad. It is a condition that there be a leader of the Muslims, an
> Imam, to declare combative Jihad.""
> 
> 

First of all, that's just one legal ruling, out of many thousands
throughout history. 
Second of all, it's interesting that the external links that are given in
the above site don't work anymore. When you go to
http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/ you see photgraphs of its leader
with President George W. Bush, Jack Straw, and U.S. Vice President Cheney.
But when you click on "legal rulings" hyperlink (which should take you to
the original fatwas, etc., that were mentioned as external links in the
Islamic Concepts & Definitions webpage that you give above, you don't see
anything about jihad or about /Jihad/inedx.html . In other words, the
sites http://www.islamicsupremecouncil.org/LegalRulings/Jihad/jihad5.htm
does not work  

7.6 ) Conditions for Combative Jihad
The position of the law is that only at such a time when it can be
reasonably proven that there are aggressive designs against Islam and
there are concerted efforts to eject Muslims from their legally acquired
property and that military campaigns are being launched to eradicate them.
At such a time the ruler can declare and execute the provisions of Jihad.
It is a condition that there be a leader of the Muslims, an Imam, to
declare combative Jihad. <more> 
And when you click on "<more>", it doesn't work. Interesting. 

> Iskandar:
> And there is no Covenant in Islam to give a central authority to one
> interpretation over the other.
> 
> Gilberto:
> Yes, that makes it more democratic.
> 

You mean the opinion of Osama bin Laden, Khomeini, Ibn Taymiyya, etc.,
etc., has the same weight as your opinion and/or the opinion of other such
as Rumi, etc., etc. I think I 'd let you enjoy that kind of democracy
yourself. I don't care for it. You obviously have understanding of the
principle of Covenant in the Baha'i Revelation. 

> Iskandar:
> So, various interpretations have caused
> > sectarian warfare. They are still causing sectarian warfare, and killing,
> > even now. In Iraq, for instance.
> 
> Gilberto:
> No, in general greedy power-hungry people cause violence. It is a lot
> less important whether they agree or disagree about metaphysical or
> religious statements. The different sides aren't killing each other
> because they disagree about Ali (ra). They are killing each other
> because they want power to run the country.
> 
> -Gilberto
> 
I'm not talking about metaphysical statements. I'm talking about real
concrete actions by Muslim leaders, scholars, jurists, etc., throughout
history. Just read history and just listen to the news of current events.
Open your eyes. 
It was the opinion of highly placed religious scholars that prompted
Muslim leaders to execute the Bab, to banish Baha'u'llah from His
homeland, and to continue to persecute Baha'is from day 1 through right
now. 
I'm talking about sectarian warfare, on religious grounds, of Muslims
against Muslims or Christians against Muslims, or Muslims against
Christians, etc., etc., 

Iskandar



 
 
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