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On 16 Apr 2010 at 7:36, David Regal wrote:

> family members tonight on the subject, as we used to live in NZ.  One
> said it was common knowledge among NZ Baha'is that she wrote to the
> UHJ arguing that Shoghi Effendi could not have been the successor of
> 'Abdu'l-Baha.  There wasn't agreement as to whether she had actually
> criticized the UHJ.   

It's nice to know the current style in Kiwi Bahai backbiting. This is 
a preposterous accusation. 


> Isn't this a bit misleading?  Describing Alison as 'not enrolled'
> hardly sounds accurate.  The House decided she wasn't to be counted as
> a Baha'i.  In saying Alison is a Baha'i are you disagreeing with
> the UHJ decision 

No, I'm saying the UHJ has not said that Alison is not a Bahai. They 
said she didn't meet the requirements for membership of the 
community. Then Susan Maneck said here that Alison wasn't a Bahai, 
which is how the conversation got started. 


> in most countries whether a person is classified a Baha'i or not is
> determined by whether they are enrolled.  

Sure, perhaps I'm just a stickler. I don't want to put words in the 
UHJ's mouth they never said. 

> House decided to disenroll you, and referring to yourself as a Baha'i
> seems to tacitly imply criticism of their decision.

No criticism is intended: I just repeat the words of the UHJ: "you 
cannot properly be considered as meeting the requirements of Baha´i 
membership." I accept entirely their right to decide who is a member 
and who is not. 

> They said you weren't a Baha'i, though.  

Do you have a source for that, apart from Susan? If they have really 
said that, that's what I will quote. 

I appreciate the relationship between being a Bahai and being a 
member is puzzling: I get quite a few queries about it. I've asked 
the UHJ if they could clarify, in a letter on 22 March 2010:

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".. I would like to apply again to be enrolled in the community, and 
also to ask for some clarification about the meaning of enrollment 
and disenrollment. I ask this for myself, and also to assist some the 
friends who feel some uncertainty on this score. In response to one 
of those who have asked me about this, I have written:  

    "So far as I understand it - and this is something the UHJ might
    clarify - being on the membership rolls is meant to be like
    voluntary membership of an association, which is a free choice on
    both sides. There seem to be no procedures or reason required for
    taking away membership or not giving it in the first place. No
    explanation is given. It´s like the coach deciding who doesn´t 
make
    the cut." 

I can imagine various other ways of understanding the significance of 
being enrolled, in relation to being a Bahai. I would like to be able 
to respond to such questions in terms acceptable to the Universal 
House of Justice, and I think some clarification of the thinking of 
the Universal House of Justice would be helpful for the whole 
community, especially if disenrollment is intended to be a life-time 
situation, meaning that disenrolled Bahais will be a permanent part 
of the Bahai scene.  

Secondly, could the Universal House of Justice say whether 
disenrollment is a form of sanction for breaching Bahai law. I think  
that it is not, since the term `sanction´ has not been used, but a 
clear statement would be helpful. Bahais have thought that 
disenrollment is a more severe form of the removal of voting rights, 
and have been quite imaginative in thinking of what sins might have 
merited it!   ..."
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I'll post the UHJ's answer on one of the information tabs on my blog. 


Sen

 


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pure truth! Woe to those who are contented with ignorance, whose 
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