The Baha'i Studies Listserv Mr. Gray, You are badly mistaken. The legitimate succession of Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l Baha, Shoghi Effendi and the Universal House of Justice is not just a "party line" as you jeeringly call it. The documents on which the Covenant is founded are authentic beyond any reasonable doubt. I don't know who is feeding you information, but whoever it is, is poisoning your mind. Be careful!
Tim All good art is about something deeper than it admits. --Roger Ebert ________________________________ From: Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> To: Baha'i Studies <bahai-st@list.jccc.edu> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Happy Day of the Empty Throne The Baha'i Studies Listserv All sects even the heterodox, or maybe especially, both do and don't fit the definition of covenant breaker. The catch 22 being that the arguments both for and against any group being steadfast or covenant breaker requires you to presuppose a group to have either status before hand, thus begging the question. Questions like Who succeeded the Bab? Who succeeded Bahaullah? Who succeeded Abdul Baha? Who succeeded Shoghi Effendi? Is the Will and Testament and authenticdocument? etc. are only party lines and not really thought about unless denouncing other sects. Sorry, but many of may friends have in real life told me that I tend to be a little bit of a grammar nazi. If you ask me for example Don't you like apple pie, I'll respond No, I do like apple pie. it confuses people so I explain the grammar of my response. Also, I do also have logic nazi tendencies as well with pointing out the fallacies in people's arguments and references all the time. Wishing someone a happy holiday should lead to a sectarian diatribe, but only Susan the Warmest can do such a thing each and every time. I also hate pro drop language with a passion. I wish English was much more anti pro drop of a language. Only dead people know the truth, or possible time travelers. Sent from my iPad On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Susan Maneck <sman...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Only the Covenant breakers have ever referred to the office of the > Guardianship as a 'throne.' > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Stephen Kent Gray <skg_z...@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> Yeah, it's November 20! >> >> November 20: Day of the Empty Throne. The anniversary of the day, in 1957, >> on which leaders of the Bahai religion voted to declare the office of >> Guardianship permanently vacant following the sudden death of Shoghi Effendi >> without leaving a will. >> >> Heard about it via blogspot! >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > > __________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:skg_z...@yahoo.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > mailto:leave-676010-1719008.2a3842ae5b2f7d34dd5fdfc724616...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:tnola...@yahoo.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-676031-32977.dbe40ccd11b1fb869099e58e00076...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __________________________________________________ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-676037-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
