On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 19:16 -0300, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>         And yes, the hardware world is really hostile, it's a real big
>         issue... :/ It would be helpful to get some kind of label that
>         would allow to check. The problem is to get it from the
>         manufacturers or the lawmakers... Do you see a way to get
>         there?
> I thought that maybe dealing with consumer laws would be one way to do
> it.

Definitely - my question was if you saw a way to get this kind of
legislation passed in Brazil. Is there support for it? That would
definitely be a great example for other countries if it did.
 
>         I've had a look at the wiki of Garoa Hacker Clube, it looks
>         like a perfect place to stay a while during our visit :)
>         Congratz for the work, it looks like fun! I'd love to somewhat
>         mirror the concept of hackerspace at our studio's office in
>         Paris, so I'll be very curious about your experience.
> Great! Actually, our hackerspace is inspired in european hackerspaces
> I have visited last year. There are already some hackerspaces in
> Paris. But the ones I enjoyed most were in Berlin, Vienna and San
> Francisco (USA).

Yup, I've visited a few in Paris over the years, but I've never found
the atmosphere I'd like to have - except maybe at Mekensleep, a
videogame company which isn't officially a hackerspace but hosts a few
free software geeks working on videogames. ;p

I've never had a chance to visit some outside of France - will be good
to hear more about the ones you went to, too.

>         For the Fuzebox contest, when would it be happening? Maybe
>         there would be something to work out together here - we
>         develop games for the Web so language/tools are different, but
>         it would be very interesting to chat with the folks who will
>         participate.
> nice :-) We still have no idea when will we do it.

Alright. Maybe we could try to synchronize the dates with our trip? Is
there anything we could to to help with the organization of the contest?

>         And the presentation of April to the research group would be
>         amazing - it certainly promises great discussions, I'm very
>         curious about the current situation.
> OK, I'll send an email to my friend

Many thanks!

>         NB: do you mind if I put Farsides' mailing list in CC of our
>         thread? This way it will keep the other project contributors
>         in the loop.
> It is totally ok to bring some more people to the conversation :-)

Cool! I've CC'ed the mailing-list.

> Are you already in Brazil? When are you planning to arrive?

Not yet no, we haven't planned the exact dates yet. It would likely be
within 1-2 months - do you see any date that would be good? I know there
is the FISL this summer, but it's still far away, so if you know of any
other event worth attending, I'll be happy to hear about it.

Btw, aside of what we already discussed, what do you think would be the
best way to reach developers who would be interested to join the
project? How do Brazilian Free Software companies usually hire
developers?

>         On Thu, 2011-02-24 at 11:17 -0300, Felipe Sanches wrote:
>         > wow! I had not seen your previous message, sorry!
>         > 
>         > It is really nice to receive your message. I have been
>         > working on strategic projects for the free software movement
>         > such as LinuxLibre and GNU LibreDWG. I am deeply concerned
>         > about non-free firmware and I enjoy practicing reverse
>         > engineering. You should take a look at this wiki-page:
>         > 
> http://libreplanet.org/wiki/LinuxLibre:Devices_that_require_non-free_firmware
>         > 
>         > After some work on this project I figured out that there is
>         > a need from the perspective of consumer protection, to have
>         > a law or industry regulation that requires hardware
>         > manufacturers to print the USB/PCI VendorID and DeviceID
>         > numbers in the product box so that customers can more easily
>         > figure out whether a certain piece of hardware is compatible
>         > with free software. I have bought the same product twice
>         > from different manufacturers thinking they would differ, but
>         > they are actually the same product just with a different
>         > case/label/model name.
>         > 
>         > =========
>         > Good news: this weekend we have had an innauguration party
>         > for the first brazilian hackerspace. I have travelled europe
>         > and USA last year visiting several hackerspaces and then
>         > decided to bring the idea to Brazil. We have around 18
>         > members already. If you are not familiar with the
>         > hackerspace concept you can read more here:
>         > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackerspace
>         > 
>         > Our space is called Garoa Hacker Clube ("Garoa" means
>         > "Drizzle" - a traditional reference to the city of São Paulo
>         > where it is located) and our website is:
>         > http://garoa.net.br/
>         > 
>         > cheers,
>         > Felipe
>         > 
>         > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Xavier Antoviaque
>         > <[email protected]> wrote:
>         >         Hi again Felipe,
>         >         
>         >         I'm wondering if you had received my previous email?
>         >         We're starting to
>         >         look at the actual details of preparing the trip,
>         >         and I'd really like to
>         >         be able to schedule a coffee or a lunch, if you have
>         >         some time. Would be
>         >         very interesting to get your point of view on the
>         >         Brazilian Free
>         >         Software community.
>         >         
>         >         Cheers,
>         >         Xavier. 
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         On Wed, 2011-02-02 at 18:14 +0100, Xavier Antoviaque
>         >         wrote:
>         >         > Hi Felipe,
>         >         >
>         >         > Thomas Weiss gave me your contact: I'm currently
>         >         getting curious about
>         >         > the Free Software community in Brazil. : )
>         >         >
>         >         > One reason is that my wife is Brazilian, and we
>         >         are considering moving
>         >         > to Brazil at some point. I'd be happy to get your
>         >         opinion and views on
>         >         > the Brazilian free software community - I've only
>         >         heard good things
>         >         > about it for now, it makes me wonder how it can
>         >         work so well : )
>         >         >
>         >         > Another reason for my curiosity is that with a few
>         >         others, we are
>         >         > creating a free software video game studio, and we
>         >         are discussing
>         >         > spending two weeks in Brazil soon, to meet a few
>         >         members of the
>         >         > Brazilian community. We also have recruitment
>         >         needs, but that would be
>         >         > another subject of its own.
>         >         >
>         >         > Also, I'm entering the board of April, the main
>         >         free software advocacy
>         >         > NGO in France - would be interesting to see if
>         >         there are projects or
>         >         > topics where some international cooperation would
>         >         be useful (For
>         >         > example, it would be interesting to get more
>         >         context on
>         >         > http://www.cartaaberta.org.br/?p=5 - maybe there
>         >         is something we could
>         >         > help with, once we understand it better).
>         >         >
>         >         > Xavier.
>         >         
>         >         
>         >         
>         > 
>         On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Xavier Antoviaque
>         <[email protected]> wrote:
>         Another reason for my curiosity is that with a few others, we
>         are
>                 creating a free software video game studio, and we are
>         discussing
>                 spending two weeks in Brazil soon, to meet a few
>         members of the
>                 Brazilian community. We also have recruitment needs,
>         but that would be
>                 another subject of its own.
>                 
>                 
>         
>         We are planning to promote this contest soon:
>         http://garoa.net.br/wiki/FuzeboxContest 
>         
>         
>         On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Xavier Antoviaque
>         <[email protected]> wrote:
>         Also, I'm entering the board of April, the main free software
>         advocacy
>                 NGO in France - would be interesting to see if there
>         are projects or
>                 topics where some international cooperation would be
>         useful (For
>                 example, it would be interesting to get more context
>         on
>                 http://www.cartaaberta.org.br/?p=5 - maybe there is
>         something we could
>                 help with, once we understand it better).
>                 
>                 
>         
>         I know some of the free-culture activists that have prepared
>         this open letter. I can introduce you to them. Actually, if
>         you are interested, we can schedule a presentation of your NGO
>         at the copyright and a2k academic research group at University
>         of São Paulo where some of them work as researches.
>         
>         
>         
>         On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Xavier Antoviaque
>         <[email protected]> wrote:
>         Also, I'm entering the board of April, the main free software
>         advocacy
>                 NGO in France - would be interesting to see if there
>         are projects or
>                 topics where some international cooperation would be
>         useful (For
>                 example, it would be interesting to get more context
>         on
>                 http://www.cartaaberta.org.br/?p=5 - maybe there is
>         something we could
>                 help with, once we understand it better).
>                 
>                 
>         
>         I know some of the free-culture activists that have prepared
>         this open letter. I can introduce you to them. Actually, if
>         you are interested, we can schedule a presentation of your NGO
>         at the copyright and a2k academic research group at University
>         of São Paulo where some of them work as researches.
> 


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