Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-25.
2011-05-25 00:04:38+0000 rogerio_ (rogerio_) is now online 2011-05-25 01:22:55+0000 rogerio_ (rogerio_) is now online 2011-05-25 01:31:35+0000 rogerio_ (rogerio_) is now online 2011-05-25 07:05:16+0000 <antoviaque> hi all 2011-05-25 07:07:11+0000 <dachary> hi 2011-05-25 07:41:00+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: not sure if you have time to answer this, but if you do I have a few questions about http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/7 before starting to redo this patch 2011-05-25 07:43:28+0000 <antoviaque> When you say "I can be done by manipulating the query part of the URL without reloading", I imagine you're refering to the document fragment (#something) - but then it means changing the format of the urls&permalinks, right? 2011-05-25 07:44:15+0000 <antoviaque> I'll put it on the ticket, so you can answer when it's best for you 2011-05-25 07:46:24+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-05-25 07:47:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I meant changing the query part, not the hash part 2011-05-25 07:47:30+0000 <antoviaque> you can do that without reloading? 2011-05-25 07:47:35+0000 <dachary> I don't know 2011-05-25 07:47:52+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, I will have a look, but I never saw this 2011-05-25 07:47:57+0000 <dachary> I assume you can but I don't know for sure 2011-05-25 07:48:57+0000 <dachary> maybe it triggers a reload of the URL when you do 2011-05-25 07:49:05+0000 <antoviaque> "You can only change the hash part of an url without a page refresh through location.hash. Adding get parameters (?foo=bar) or a complete url change will always reload the page." http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4013122/changing-the-url-with-jquery-without-reloading-the-page 2011-05-25 07:49:06+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-25 07:49:20+0000 <antoviaque> since that part is visible from the server, it makes sense 2011-05-25 07:50:39+0000 <dachary> indeed 2011-05-25 07:51:02+0000 * dachary reading the patch again with this new bit of information 2011-05-25 08:01:35+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: what about this : the reload with the game_id permalink is done in create_write_sentence. The server part is changed so that the list of pending invitations is returned (if any) when the owner of the game requests the game state. The invitation: function(player_id, game, root) { is changed so that the advertise function is called if there are no pending invitations. Otherwise the invitation_owner function is called. 2011-05-25 08:02:03+0000 <dachary> The general idea is that you make a permalink as soon as you can (i.e. when the game is created) 2011-05-25 08:02:43+0000 <dachary> returning the list of pending invitations will only be used to switch between advertise / invitation_owner state for now. 2011-05-25 08:02:49+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-05-25 08:03:20+0000 <dachary> But it could be used to manage the list of pending invitaitons or display them even if nothing more can be done. 2011-05-25 08:04:18+0000 <dachary> I think part of what troubles me with your patch is that it tries to cope with the fact that the you reload at a stage where you could not if trying manually. 2011-05-25 08:04:59+0000 <dachary> At present the game state is consistent with manual reloading : you can reload at anytime and you won't loose what you're doing. 2011-05-25 08:05:34+0000 <dachary> Except for the game creation where the permalink is not done. 2011-05-25 08:06:57+0000 <antoviaque> (tel) 2011-05-25 08:07:14+0000 <dachary> I think your patch actually reveals a problem in my code and it needs to be fixed. There is nothing wrong with your patch : it showed a problem in my code ;-) 2011-05-25 08:07:18+0000 <dachary> (shower) 2011-05-25 08:12:01+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-05-25 08:12:08+0000 <antoviaque> reading 2011-05-25 08:12:53+0000 <antoviaque> it makes sense for create_write_sentence(), I should have seen this 2011-05-25 08:13:19+0000 <antoviaque> looking at the part about the list of pending invitations 2011-05-25 08:31:03+0000 * antoviaque getting into the server code 2011-05-25 08:44:54+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: :-D 2011-05-25 10:18:21+0000 <antoviaque> :q 2011-05-25 10:18:27+0000 <antoviaque> gargl 2011-05-25 10:24:39+0000 <dachary> what is it ? 2011-05-25 10:24:46+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you drowned 2011-05-25 10:24:49+0000 <dachary> ? 2011-05-25 10:24:55+0000 <antoviaque> typed here instead of in vim : ) 2011-05-25 10:25:13+0000 <antoviaque> nope nope, just got back to the code, got interrupted 2011-05-25 10:25:28+0000 <antoviaque> and I use the chance to get to know the server code a bit better 2011-05-25 10:25:50+0000 <antoviaque> if I drown I'll ask : ) 2011-05-25 10:25:52+0000 <dachary> it's a good spot 2011-05-25 10:26:42+0000 <dachary> the only tricky part in the server code is related to polling 2011-05-25 10:27:23+0000 <dachary> I think the rest is fairly straightforward. There are no bizarre concepts, I hope. 2011-05-25 10:28:11+0000 <antoviaque> yep, I'll get into that part progressively anyway - the trick is always to not try to understand everything immediately : ) 2011-05-25 10:28:41+0000 * antoviaque tries to restrain himself 2011-05-25 11:07:04+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-05-25 11:07:30+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you can try to hack your way out of this and I'll review tonight. That worked well for romulo. 2011-05-25 11:21:06+0000 <antoviaque> yup : ) 2011-05-25 11:21:27+0000 <antoviaque> thanks - I'll try to not do something too dirty : ) 2011-05-25 12:03:39+0000 <antoviaque> ok, got it working 2011-05-25 12:03:56+0000 <antoviaque> the only issue is that it doesn't allow to not invite anyone 2011-05-25 12:04:10+0000 <antoviaque> (and just pass the URL around for example) 2011-05-25 12:04:26+0000 <antoviaque> now let's get the tests working : ) 2011-05-25 12:34:58+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-25 12:35:01+0000 <romulo> good morning 2011-05-25 12:35:09+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo! 2011-05-25 12:35:35+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, how are you? 2011-05-25 12:35:51+0000 <romulo> tried to reach you yesterday but wasn't possible 2011-05-25 12:35:54+0000 <antoviaque> good good, in the middle of tests : ) 2011-05-25 12:36:03+0000 <antoviaque> uh - let me look at the history 2011-05-25 12:36:34+0000 <antoviaque> ah, yep, it was on the evening, I'm not always there then 2011-05-25 12:36:53+0000 <antoviaque> were you able to solve the issue? 2011-05-25 12:37:37+0000 <romulo> not completely, no. I discussed implementation details with Loic but it isnt done. I still need to make the test cases and work on code a bit more 2011-05-25 12:39:05+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-05-25 12:39:14+0000 <antoviaque> are you able to reevaluate the estimate now? 2011-05-25 12:40:19+0000 <romulo> yes, i need more time 2011-05-25 12:41:59+0000 <antoviaque> how much in total? 2011-05-25 12:42:59+0000 * romulo is thinking 2011-05-25 12:43:06+0000 * romulo is coding too =P 2011-05-25 12:43:18+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-25 12:44:30+0000 Jo__ (Jo__) is now online 2011-05-25 12:45:01+0000 <antoviaque> Hi Jo__ : ) 2011-05-25 12:45:06+0000 <Jo__> Hello farsides people, just dropping by to say hi :) 2011-05-25 12:45:19+0000 <Jo__> how have you been xavier ? 2011-05-25 12:45:22+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, nice to see you : ) 2011-05-25 12:45:46+0000 <antoviaque> very well - busy trying to get Card Stories more playable : ) 2011-05-25 12:45:49+0000 <Jo__> Nice to see you too! Are things shapping up nicely ? 2011-05-25 12:45:59+0000 <antoviaque> They are! 2011-05-25 12:46:17+0000 <antoviaque> have a look : http://cardstori.es/ 2011-05-25 12:46:23+0000 <Jo__> I can imagine yes :) On my end more or less the same, I'm trying to have my game's alpha ready in time 2011-05-25 12:46:28+0000 <antoviaque> We can play a game if you want actually : ) 2011-05-25 12:46:36+0000 <antoviaque> if romulo wants to join in ;p 2011-05-25 12:46:40+0000 <Jo__> hahah 2011-05-25 12:46:47+0000 <Jo__> how much time does a party take ? 2011-05-25 12:46:50+0000 <antoviaque> would be a good play test 2011-05-25 12:47:05+0000 <antoviaque> only a few minutes, if everyone plays immediately 2011-05-25 12:47:14+0000 <Jo__> well sure then, 2011-05-25 12:47:23+0000 <Jo__> curious to see your first baby ;) 2011-05-25 12:47:24+0000 <antoviaque> ok, let me try to create one then 2011-05-25 12:47:34+0000 <antoviaque> ah, you'll see, there is still a lot of work to do 2011-05-25 12:47:52+0000 <antoviaque> but it will be interesting to see where you have accessibility issues 2011-05-25 12:48:25+0000 <Jo__> ok, i put my email, i'm in a room to pick a party ... you will create one i suppose ? 2011-05-25 12:48:37+0000 <romulo> sure for me 2011-05-25 12:48:37+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-05-25 12:48:53+0000 <Jo__> (well i guess it's a room to pick a party!) 2011-05-25 12:49:25+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-05-25 12:49:36+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: romulo: http://cardstori.es/index.html?game_id=78 2011-05-25 12:50:06+0000 <antoviaque> yep, I create, it's easier to start this way 2011-05-25 12:51:11+0000 <Jo__> ok be wary that i might take some time to answer/play, hope it's ok, I got some work stuff to handle at the same time 2011-05-25 12:51:18+0000 <antoviaque> no worries 2011-05-25 12:51:51+0000 <antoviaque> I saw that you logged in - did you chose a card that match the sentence displayed? 2011-05-25 12:52:15+0000 <antoviaque> abra@gmail is you romulo? 2011-05-25 12:52:33+0000 <Jo__> yup just did 2011-05-25 12:52:49+0000 <antoviaque> good for the card : ) 2011-05-25 12:53:05+0000 <antoviaque> if there is anything confusing, let me know, I'll add it to the feedback 2011-05-25 12:53:15+0000 <antoviaque> or if you see anything that needs to be changed 2011-05-25 12:53:48+0000 <Jo__> woa i could nitpick a lot but i'm not sure now is the right time hahah 2011-05-25 12:54:22+0000 <Jo__> i think i missed step (or the page refreshed ?) 2011-05-25 12:54:38+0000 <antoviaque> the page refreshed - now you're in the voting stage 2011-05-25 12:54:41+0000 <Jo__> i picked a card, and now i'm at "step 3 vote for the card" is this the correct order ? 2011-05-25 12:54:56+0000 <antoviaque> you need to try to find out which card I originally picked 2011-05-25 12:55:04+0000 <antoviaque> and try to avoid chosing the one romulo picked ;p 2011-05-25 12:55:11+0000 <Jo__> ok but why is there only 3 cards available to choose from now ? 2011-05-25 12:55:19+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-25 12:55:31+0000 <antoviaque> it's the three card you, romulo and me chose to match the sentence 2011-05-25 12:55:32+0000 <Jo__> it's the cards we picked ? you/me/romulo ? 2011-05-25 12:55:37+0000 <antoviaque> yep : ) 2011-05-25 12:55:45+0000 <dachary> I'm available to play a game if you need a tester 2011-05-25 12:55:56+0000 <Jo__> (heheh people love to play don't they) 2011-05-25 12:56:14+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ah, I thought you were busy, sorry - will probably be worth doing a second round : ) 2011-05-25 12:56:17+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-05-25 12:56:24+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-05-25 12:56:25+0000 <Jo__> ok i voted, step 4 2011-05-25 12:56:28+0000 <antoviaque> done! 2011-05-25 12:56:37+0000 <romulo> :( 2011-05-25 12:56:37+0000 <antoviaque> romulo and I win :p 2011-05-25 12:56:45+0000 <Jo__> mmmm 2011-05-25 12:56:51+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-05-25 12:56:52+0000 <Jo__> it tells me you and I won 2011-05-25 12:56:54+0000 <Jo__> how come ? 2011-05-25 12:57:01+0000 <romulo> yeah 2011-05-25 12:57:02+0000 <romulo> =p 2011-05-25 12:57:08+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep, sorry 2011-05-25 12:57:17+0000 * antoviaque is confused 2011-05-25 12:57:20+0000 <Jo__> why? 2011-05-25 12:57:23+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha 2011-05-25 12:57:28+0000 <Jo__> i'm confused too heheh why is there two winners ? 2011-05-25 12:57:29+0000 <antoviaque> so you and I won 2011-05-25 12:57:41+0000 <antoviaque> you because you found my card 2011-05-25 12:58:00+0000 <Jo__> ah and you because you found mine ? 2011-05-25 12:58:19+0000 <antoviaque> and me because at least one player but not all players picked the wrong card 2011-05-25 12:59:03+0000 <antoviaque> => this is to ensure that the author (me) tries to pick a card and a sentence which is neither too hard or too easy to guess 2011-05-25 12:59:18+0000 <antoviaque> Makes sense? 2011-05-25 12:59:47+0000 <antoviaque> It usually takes 1-2 games to get it 2011-05-25 13:00:01+0000 <antoviaque> so if you're confused don't worry, you can ask : ) 2011-05-25 13:00:12+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: can I try to create one ? 2011-05-25 13:00:23+0000 <antoviaque> of course - I'd like to play it : ) 2011-05-25 13:01:47+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/index.html?player_id=loic&game_id=79 2011-05-25 13:01:51+0000 <dachary> ah sorry 2011-05-25 13:01:53+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-05-25 13:01:56+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/index.html?game_id=79 2011-05-25 13:02:04+0000 <dachary> unless you want to play as myself ;-) 2011-05-25 13:02:18+0000 <antoviaque> yup, we need to find a good solution for this actually : ) 2011-05-25 13:07:07+0000 <Jo__> ok so main comments i can think of right now 2011-05-25 13:07:44+0000 <Jo__> 1/ game could use a friendly message at the start to recap the game's goal & how it's played in a nutshell (probably planned already, so take my comments "as is" :p) 2011-05-25 13:08:23+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: created http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/49 for the URL issue 2011-05-25 13:08:52+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: 1) yep, we plan to add a little tutorial 2011-05-25 13:09:05+0000 <antoviaque> But a recap of the goals is a good suggestion, adding it to the ticket 2011-05-25 13:09:12+0000 <Jo__> 2/ when you have to pick a card, the "hints" on the left is partially covered and hard to read, i think you should give more space to your layout so that it's more readable. Maybe give more rooms between cards so we can see the drawings better (quite cute btw) 2011-05-25 13:09:22+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, can you ask tartarugafeliz to speak to me? 2011-05-25 13:09:27+0000 <romulo> i need her for some design problems 2011-05-25 13:10:13+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: she's not around right now - can you try to summarize the issues/questions on a ticket? 2011-05-25 13:10:38+0000 <Jo__> 3/ steps progression box on the top right corner is also hard to see (i just spotted it now), it might be better to make it more obvious so you can track better how the game is going/progression 2011-05-25 13:10:48+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: 2) ok, I'll create a ticket for that too 2011-05-25 13:11:24+0000 <antoviaque> 3) => any idea how would you do it? the game space is getting quite crowded, so it's not easy 2011-05-25 13:11:58+0000 <Jo__> 3/ simply start with more visible colors ;) dark brown on lighter brown is kinda unreadable 2011-05-25 13:12:21+0000 <Jo__> and maybe put it on top left instead of right, as people usually look there first 2011-05-25 13:12:59+0000 <Jo__> 4/ on the final screen, i would suggest to add some boxes to recap why the winners won, to make things clearer 2011-05-25 13:13:19+0000 <Jo__> maybe change the layout a lil bit to accomodate all possible cases 2011-05-25 13:13:21+0000 <antoviaque> good suggestions for 3) imho 2011-05-25 13:13:21+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-05-25 13:13:40+0000 <Jo__> and that's it so far :) 2011-05-25 13:13:51+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: uh, what happened - I had chosen a card 2011-05-25 13:13:56+0000 * antoviaque chosing a card again 2011-05-25 13:14:08+0000 <dachary> I click "go to the vote" and nothing happens 2011-05-25 13:14:26+0000 <dachary> now it works 2011-05-25 13:14:28+0000 <antoviaque> for me it came back to card selection 2011-05-25 13:14:31+0000 <dachary> weird 2011-05-25 13:14:35+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-25 13:14:47+0000 <dachary> now what's the status ? 2011-05-25 13:14:54+0000 <antoviaque> it was vote 2011-05-25 13:14:59+0000 <antoviaque> now I've chosen it's vote_wait 2011-05-25 13:15:47+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: 4) => good suggestion too yup - right now there is only a general recap, saying why people won individually would give the part of the explanation we gave in the chat 2011-05-25 13:15:47+0000 * dachary trying to think how this could happen 2011-05-25 13:15:59+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: thanks a lot for those feedback, very useful :D 2011-05-25 13:21:07+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, just tell her that font sizes in the "instructions.odt" where in PT, the correct unit is PX 2011-05-25 13:21:15+0000 <romulo> (of course, to fit the mockups) 2011-05-25 13:21:28+0000 <antoviaque> ahh 2011-05-25 13:21:45+0000 <antoviaque> then you can probably say it on the Card Stories buddypress group 2011-05-25 13:22:04+0000 <antoviaque> when people aren't on the chat, it's a good way to pass this kind of things asynchronously 2011-05-25 13:22:27+0000 <romulo> oh, ok. Will yield it =] 2011-05-25 13:22:31+0000 <antoviaque> thx ;p 2011-05-25 13:23:11+0000 <romulo> I am fixing the templates now, testing them across the browsers, then on late today will add more functionality. 2011-05-25 13:23:18+0000 <romulo> and then tests 2011-05-25 13:23:26+0000 <romulo> so i expect to have it done tomorrow 2011-05-25 13:23:49+0000 <romulo> let me see the estimates 2011-05-25 13:25:32+0000 <Jo__> Xavier > you're very welcome :) Nice little game btw! Proof of concept is there, what you do with it next will be interesting 2011-05-25 13:26:00+0000 <antoviaque> yup : ) 2011-05-25 13:26:11+0000 <antoviaque> that's where playtesting and user feedback kicks in ;p 2011-05-25 13:26:34+0000 <Jo__> also your ambitions/plans/positioning of the final product! 2011-05-25 13:26:43+0000 <antoviaque> 1) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/51 2011-05-25 13:27:10+0000 <antoviaque> 2) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/50 2011-05-25 13:27:43+0000 <Jo__> ho and by the way, if you got time someday, it would be nice to have a drink with you & david, as we work close to each other! 2011-05-25 13:27:45+0000 <antoviaque> Doing the other tickets now - if you want to subscribe and watch those tickets, to follow or comment on their progression, feel welcome : ) 2011-05-25 13:28:41+0000 <Jo__> been a while i haven't seen you :) And i'm still having ideas rolling around in my head for your hackit! game heheh would be nice to tell you a bit more about it 2011-05-25 13:29:21+0000 <antoviaque> david is not around, but we can try to organize this yep 2011-05-25 13:30:21+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: created a thread on the buddypress to see if we could do that : ) 2011-05-25 13:30:23+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/blog/activity/p/725/ 2011-05-25 13:30:44+0000 <antoviaque> If you post your availability there, I'm sure we'll find a date : ) 2011-05-25 13:32:40+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: 3) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/52 2011-05-25 13:33:44+0000 <Jo__> do i have to be logged to post/answer on http://farsides.com/blog/activity/p/725/ ? 2011-05-25 13:40:38+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-25 13:40:54+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: you can login through facebook though if you use it and don't want to create an account 2011-05-25 13:41:07+0000 <antoviaque> Jo__: 4) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/53 2011-05-25 13:41:22+0000 <antoviaque> Any comment about the 4 tickets I created based on your feedback is most welcome 2011-05-25 13:42:45+0000 <antoviaque> They will go respectively to the coders, artists and gd -- so any precision that can help them to do those tasks well will be directly useful ;p 2011-05-25 13:45:03+0000 <Jo__> i'd love to but not sure i got the time right now, sorry :/ 2011-05-25 13:45:09+0000 <antoviaque> no worries 2011-05-25 13:45:19+0000 <antoviaque> it's just so that you know you can 2011-05-25 13:45:38+0000 <antoviaque> but obviously no need to, it's a lot already 2011-05-25 13:46:53+0000 <Jo__> Yup! got it. I'd really love to if i had enough time, I like to go to the end of things 2011-05-25 13:47:08+0000 <Jo__> ok i registered, and will answer your post about my availabilities 2011-05-25 13:48:34+0000 <Jo__> ok answered :) 2011-05-25 13:48:55+0000 <antoviaque> cool, perfect : ) 2011-05-25 13:48:58+0000 <Jo__> and now i'll go back to buggering my own people on my own social game heheh 2011-05-25 13:49:08+0000 <antoviaque> I'll let a bit of time for everyone to see it, and I'll answer too 2011-05-25 13:49:11+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-05-25 13:49:16+0000 <antoviaque> good luck with that : ) 2011-05-25 13:49:20+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks a lot! 2011-05-25 13:49:30+0000 <Jo__> yes we got a public demo on june 9th and 10th 2011-05-25 13:49:35+0000 <Jo__> tic toc 2011-05-25 13:49:45+0000 <antoviaque> uhu 2011-05-25 13:49:49+0000 <antoviaque> interesting step : ) 2011-05-25 13:49:56+0000 <antoviaque> ours should be in July 2011-05-25 13:50:13+0000 <Jo__> well semi-public, a private beta in two high schools classes (our audience target) 2011-05-25 13:51:11+0000 <antoviaque> probably the equivalent step - except that the game being free software, it's public - but we don't advertise it yet 2011-05-25 13:51:40+0000 <Jo__> I see! 2011-05-25 13:52:26+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: found the issue? 2011-05-25 13:52:31+0000 <Jo__> Ok got to go, hope to catch up with you guys soon around a beer or here ;) Have a nice afternoon! 2011-05-25 13:52:37+0000 <antoviaque> you too : ) 2011-05-25 13:57:34+0000 <romulo> dachary, ping 2011-05-25 13:58:07+0000 <dachary> paf 2011-05-25 13:58:14+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: did not 2011-05-25 13:58:23+0000 <antoviaque> weird bug 2011-05-25 13:59:48+0000 <romulo> dachary, we were talking about service being a pollable yesterday, how will i know which game changed when i touch() service? Must poll every game to find out? 2011-05-25 14:17:54+0000 <dachary> romulo: I don't think I understand the question. I assume you need to give touch an argument that says what happened 2011-05-25 14:18:22+0000 <antoviaque> #7 => https://gitorious.org/~antoviaque/cardstories/antoviaques-cardstories/commit/45f8c55a3e942f13cdfd262f5441aaae764c297f 2011-05-25 14:18:53+0000 <antoviaque> following the conversation from earlier today - put in the ticket too : ) 2011-05-25 14:20:57+0000 <antoviaque> will reboot in a few minutes to get ready for the interviews (damn skype that sucks under Linux) 2011-05-25 15:01:30+0000 <romulo> going to catch the bus, will be back soon 2011-05-25 15:10:34+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-25 15:10:42+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-05-25 15:11:03+0000 <antoviaque> done first interview, with Remus 2011-05-25 15:12:34+0000 <antoviaque> He seemed nice over the phone, and while he would likely have some learning to do (Python especially), he seemed to have enough of the basics to warrant getting him to come here and chat a bit : ) 2011-05-25 15:13:10+0000 <antoviaque> I originally planned to get the interviewes to come here today, but time would be an issue (next interview is in 15 minutes) 2011-05-25 15:13:23+0000 <antoviaque> so I asked him to come tomorrow 2011-05-25 15:14:11+0000 <antoviaque> you can get to know him (and potentially some of the the other two interviewees), and hopefully get him/them to work on a test task 2011-05-25 15:33:41+0000 <dachary> thanks for teh debrief 2011-05-25 15:33:47+0000 <dachary> s/teh/the/ 2011-05-25 15:40:24+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-25 15:41:01+0000 <antoviaque> next one is late - wrong start : ) 2011-05-25 15:41:03+0000 admnix (admnix) is now online 2011-05-25 15:41:13+0000 <antoviaque> hi adminix 2011-05-25 15:41:19+0000 <antoviaque> bye adminix 2011-05-25 15:50:13+0000 <antoviaque> ok, second one when I finally talked to him: "sorry I had to stay at work and couldn't warn" :/ 2011-05-25 15:50:34+0000 <antoviaque> Rescheduled 2011-05-25 16:29:15+0000 <dachary> ahah 2011-05-25 17:11:04+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-25 17:11:12+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ping 2011-05-25 17:18:58+0000 <dachary> romulo: paf 2011-05-25 17:19:06+0000 <dachary> (paf is pong in french) 2011-05-25 17:19:08+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-05-25 17:20:31+0000 <romulo> antoviaque in dachary's computer? 2011-05-25 17:21:16+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-05-25 17:21:39+0000 <romulo> dachary, im taking that as a "yes" 2011-05-25 17:21:41+0000 <romulo> :P 2011-05-25 17:23:11+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'll be working on cardstories integration tomorrow. If tartarugafeliz has new material beside http://pastebin.com/xS9q1ktr could you please ask her to upload them ? 2011-05-25 17:23:32+0000 <dachary> i've downloaded http://pastebin.com/xS9q1ktr to work offline, which I will be most of the day unless the movie set has wifi 2011-05-25 17:24:02+0000 <dachary> romulo: ;-) I took a look and could not find antoviaque in my computer. 2011-05-25 17:24:26+0000 <romulo> dachary, oh damn. You must have deleted him accidentally 2011-05-25 17:24:57+0000 <romulo> hmm, maybe he was a shared pointer on your computer, he is still online =P 2011-05-25 17:25:54+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, im going to ask another 8 hours for the ticket(that means i will deliver on thursday by morning) . Ill write test cases, fix services integration, rewrite email templates 2011-05-25 17:55:55+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, is that ok? 2011-05-25 18:02:40+0000 antoviaque1 (antoviaque1) is now online 2011-05-25 18:02:50+0000 <antoviaque1> re 2011-05-25 18:03:07+0000 * antoviaque1 coming back from the 3rd interview and reading the backlog 2011-05-25 18:04:28+0000 <antoviaque1> romulo: ok. So I think it gives 3.5 days at the end? 2011-05-25 18:04:32+0000 <antoviaque1> let me check the ticket 2011-05-25 18:04:43+0000 <antoviaque1> 2.5 I mean 2011-05-25 18:05:39+0000 <antoviaque1> no 3, right 2011-05-25 18:05:44+0000 <antoviaque1> damned, me and numbers ;p 2011-05-25 18:05:53+0000 <romulo> i dont remember when i started i guess so =P 2011-05-25 18:05:57+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahah 2011-05-25 18:06:02+0000 <romulo> huuuge step on this one for me 2011-05-25 18:06:04+0000 <antoviaque1> In the ticket there are 16 hours written 2011-05-25 18:06:09+0000 <antoviaque1> 2 days 2011-05-25 18:06:10+0000 <romulo> its like, knowing nothing and knowing it all 2011-05-25 18:06:14+0000 <antoviaque1> so I guess we are on 3 days 2011-05-25 18:06:35+0000 <antoviaque1> ahaha : ) that's the best jobs, those where we learn ;p 2011-05-25 18:07:01+0000 <antoviaque1> so I change to 24 hours? 2011-05-25 18:07:06+0000 <antoviaque1> 3 days? 2011-05-25 18:07:26+0000 <antoviaque1> dachary: cool : ) 2011-05-25 18:07:53+0000 <antoviaque1> for the design I don't know if you have seen yesterday, but tartaruga said she would work on the tickets on Friday 2011-05-25 18:08:33+0000 <antoviaque1> so there shouldn't be any new elements until then 2011-05-25 18:09:52+0000 <antoviaque1> and for the interviews, the third one went well - Petricia will come to say hi tomorrow evening too 2011-05-25 18:10:01+0000 <antoviaque1> (the symfony developer) 2011-05-25 18:10:16+0000 <antoviaque1> around 7pm Paris time 2011-05-25 18:10:46+0000 <antoviaque1> romulo: 3 days one time ... 3 days two times ... 2011-05-25 18:10:49+0000 <antoviaque1> : ) 2011-05-25 18:11:09+0000 <antoviaque1> sold ;p 2011-05-25 18:11:21+0000 <romulo> i dont get it :P 2011-05-25 18:11:25+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahah 2011-05-25 18:11:32+0000 <antoviaque1> it's what the sellers in auctions say 2011-05-25 18:12:06+0000 <antoviaque1> I was asking if you confirmed the 3 days for the emails task 2011-05-25 18:12:07+0000 <romulo> oh, i see 2011-05-25 18:12:09+0000 <romulo> makes sense now 2011-05-25 18:12:12+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahah 2011-05-25 18:12:17+0000 <romulo> i guess it is alright 2011-05-25 18:12:19+0000 <antoviaque1> sorry for the bad humor ;p 2011-05-25 18:12:23+0000 <antoviaque1> ok 2011-05-25 18:12:23+0000 <romulo> its not bad =P 2011-05-25 18:12:30+0000 <antoviaque1> updated the task :D 2011-05-25 18:12:40+0000 <romulo> its crazy for me for now, i still need to get used to the hours 2011-05-25 18:12:51+0000 <antoviaque1> to the hours? 2011-05-25 18:13:44+0000 <romulo> i mean, the schedule 2011-05-25 18:13:51+0000 <antoviaque1> dachary: for when you come back: 2011-05-25 18:13:51+0000 <antoviaque1> (08:07:54 PM) antoviaque1: for the design I don't know if you have seen yesterday, but tartaruga said she would work on the tickets on Friday 2011-05-25 18:13:51+0000 <antoviaque1> (08:08:34 PM) antoviaque1: so there shouldn't be any new elements until then 2011-05-25 18:13:51+0000 <antoviaque1> (08:10:02 PM) antoviaque1: (the symfony developer) 2011-05-25 18:13:51+0000 <antoviaque1> (08:09:53 PM) antoviaque1: and for the interviews, the third one went well - Petricia will come to say hi tomorrow evening too 2011-05-25 18:14:04+0000 <antoviaque1> romulo: ah, you mean making the right estimate? 2011-05-25 18:14:11+0000 <romulo> i get here by the morning, talk a bit, work on my other job, go home, work on cardstories until i go to sleep 2011-05-25 18:14:16+0000 <romulo> antoviaque1, that too 2011-05-25 18:14:25+0000 <antoviaque1> ah yes, it's quite crazy 2011-05-25 18:14:32+0000 <romulo> but i get used to it 2011-05-25 18:14:34+0000 <antoviaque1> I admire you for that : ) 2011-05-25 18:14:37+0000 <romulo> thanks 2011-05-25 18:14:40+0000 <romulo> i hope im doing fine 2011-05-25 18:14:48+0000 <antoviaque1> you are 2011-05-25 18:15:08+0000 <antoviaque1> I've only heard good things about you until now 2011-05-25 18:15:32+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-05-25 18:15:38+0000 <antoviaque1> and everything I see is good too, so keep it up :) 2011-05-25 18:15:47+0000 <romulo> thanks for cheering up =] 2011-05-25 18:15:51+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahahah 2011-05-25 18:16:02+0000 <antoviaque1> for the rythm just be careful to not burn yourself out 2011-05-25 18:16:13+0000 <romulo> http://www.night-of-the-meteor.de -> ppl working on a new "Day of Tentacle" 2011-05-25 18:16:17+0000 <antoviaque1> if you feel that you have too much to do, let me know so we can find solutions 2011-05-25 18:16:21+0000 <romulo> i LOVED this game 2011-05-25 18:16:24+0000 <antoviaque1> looking 2011-05-25 18:16:25+0000 <romulo> antoviaque1, ok thanks. 2011-05-25 18:16:34+0000 <romulo> point and click adventures ruled =D 2011-05-25 18:18:13+0000 <antoviaque1> it's a copycat, or an original episode? 2011-05-25 18:18:29+0000 <antoviaque1> the trailer keeps the old school feeling :D 2011-05-25 18:18:43+0000 <antoviaque1> and even adds to it, I'd say 2011-05-25 18:20:00+0000 <antoviaque1> cool community project in any case : ) 2011-05-25 18:20:43+0000 <antoviaque1> you know if they plan to release it as free software? they seem to be reusing the art & brand, but the code could probably be GPL'ed 2011-05-25 18:21:58+0000 <antoviaque1> http://www.night-of-the-meteor.de/en/about-notm answers my question about the copycat 2011-05-25 18:24:05+0000 <romulo> i just got my eye and though "jesus this is awesome" 2011-05-25 18:25:16+0000 <antoviaque1> ;p 2011-05-25 18:27:57+0000 <romulo> another cool project is teeworlds http://www.teeworlds.com/ 2011-05-25 18:34:07+0000 <antoviaque1> apt-get install teeworlds 2011-05-25 18:34:10+0000 <antoviaque1> I like that 2011-05-25 18:34:12+0000 <antoviaque1> :) 2011-05-25 18:34:14+0000 <romulo> antoviaque1, have you ever played magic the gathering? 2011-05-25 18:34:18+0000 <romulo> antoviaque1, i like that too :D 2011-05-25 18:34:19+0000 <antoviaque1> yup : ) 2011-05-25 18:34:33+0000 <romulo> mtg could be an awesome product too (not mtg, but a similar) 2011-05-25 18:34:35+0000 <antoviaque1> A lot, but something like 15 years ago 2011-05-25 18:34:37+0000 * antoviaque1 feels old 2011-05-25 18:35:06+0000 <romulo> antoviaque1, http://poxnora.station.sony.com/index.do -> was independent, got lots of attention, rich now. 2011-05-25 18:35:24+0000 <romulo> Same thing about Dofus 2011-05-25 18:35:47+0000 <antoviaque1> yup 2011-05-25 18:35:47+0000 <romulo> I have played basically all of those web games :P 2011-05-25 18:35:52+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahah 2011-05-25 18:35:53+0000 <romulo> Loved PoxNora 2011-05-25 18:36:11+0000 <romulo> Same for Heroes of Might and Magic Online 2011-05-25 18:36:16+0000 <antoviaque1> yup, the closer you get from an MMO, the richer the game 2011-05-25 18:36:32+0000 <antoviaque1> also the longer to develop ;p 2011-05-25 18:36:38+0000 <romulo> yeah =p 2011-05-25 18:37:01+0000 <antoviaque1> but I like MMOs a lot too, the immersion it can give is really nice 2011-05-25 18:37:06+0000 <romulo> but gameplay is really simple on poxnora, the units/cards that have some alternative effects. 2011-05-25 18:37:15+0000 <romulo> I like mmo's, except that i dont play them 2011-05-25 18:37:26+0000 <romulo> requires too much time 2011-05-25 18:37:39+0000 <antoviaque1> ahah, it's really the problem yep : ) 2011-05-25 18:38:15+0000 <antoviaque1> Tried to play Eve for the third time a couple months ago - it held 3 weeks before I had to give it up to get some free time again ;p 2011-05-25 18:38:36+0000 <antoviaque1> crazy bunch, it's almost like a second full time work 2011-05-25 18:38:45+0000 <romulo> yeah 2011-05-25 18:39:48+0000 <antoviaque1> ok time for Star Trek ;p 2011-05-25 18:40:03+0000 * antoviaque1 suddenly discovered that he didn't even watch the Entreprise series 2011-05-25 18:40:04+0000 <romulo> ok have fun 2011-05-25 18:40:07+0000 <antoviaque1> thanks : ) 2011-05-25 18:40:14+0000 <romulo> i have more work to do =P 2011-05-25 18:40:15+0000 <antoviaque1> good luck to you with the emails! 2011-05-25 18:40:25+0000 <antoviaque1> ahaha - you must be dreaming about it by now ;p 2011-05-25 18:40:39+0000 <romulo> thanks =] (yes i am) 2011-05-25 18:40:43+0000 <antoviaque1> :p 2011-05-25 18:41:16+0000 <antoviaque1> ping me if needed, I've reverted to pidgin so I should hear the sound notification again 2011-05-25 18:42:12+0000 <romulo> ah ok 2011-05-25 18:42:18+0000 <romulo> thanks again =] 2011-05-25 19:32:22+0000 <antoviaque1> just played teeworld - interesting blend of worms & quake ;p 2011-05-25 19:37:49+0000 <romulo> yeah 2011-05-25 19:37:51+0000 <romulo> its awesome 2011-05-25 19:38:04+0000 <romulo> if you want, i can recommend lots of free software games :P 2011-05-25 19:38:08+0000 <romulo> i played them for years 2011-05-25 20:07:18+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: good move 2011-05-25 20:07:20+0000 <dachary> ahaha 2011-05-25 20:07:29+0000 <dachary> good move => pidgin 2011-05-25 20:07:49+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahah 2011-05-25 20:07:50+0000 <antoviaque1> yes 2011-05-25 20:08:41+0000 <antoviaque1> the hassle of having to check all the time became too much ;p 2011-05-25 20:17:58+0000 <dachary> maybe in 2020 they will invent the notification features 2011-05-25 20:19:32+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: re-tartarugafeliz, ok. I will figure out what I could work on tomorrow. 2011-05-25 20:20:36+0000 <antoviaque1> there is still a mockup that isn't being taken care of by anyone fyi http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/12 2011-05-25 20:21:15+0000 <antoviaque1> And I've added a couple of new tickets today following the playtest with jonathan - if it inspires you : ) 2011-05-25 20:23:35+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: your latest patch ( 5f8c55a3e942f13cdfd262f5441aaae764c297f : fixes #7 - Display the game_id in the URL duri...) looks very good. Congratulations :-) 2011-05-25 20:23:53+0000 <antoviaque1> Cool, good to hear : ) 2011-05-25 20:24:08+0000 <antoviaque1> thanks for showing me the way : ) 2011-05-25 20:37:59+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: I merged your changes 2011-05-25 20:38:26+0000 <antoviaque1> thanks! 2011-05-25 20:39:27+0000 <dachary> packages are building for all supported distributions @ cardstori.es 2011-05-25 20:39:59+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: I'm impressed by your activity level. Are you on steroïds ? 2011-05-25 20:41:13+0000 <antoviaque1> ahah, this thing of concentrating "hassles" in one day freed some time 2011-05-25 20:44:20+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-05-25 20:45:23+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: I stopped counting the translations received for the installation instructions 2011-05-25 20:45:50+0000 <antoviaque1> that's cool - they seem to have a well streamlined translation system 2011-05-25 20:46:04+0000 <antoviaque1> is it the same with every package? 2011-05-25 21:00:39+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: installed at http://cardstori.es/ 2011-05-25 21:01:00+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: I get he impression that cardstories got special attention 2011-05-25 21:02:35+0000 <antoviaque1> Good sign then, if even the bearded hackers from Debian like the design, everyone will :p 2011-05-25 21:03:49+0000 <dachary> I did no say it was because of the design. I have not clue why it got special attention ;-) 2011-05-25 21:03:54+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: you have mail 2011-05-25 21:04:24+0000 <antoviaque1> got it : ) 2011-05-25 21:04:57+0000 <antoviaque1> picked 2011-05-25 21:06:29+0000 <dachary> darn 2011-05-25 21:06:32+0000 <antoviaque1> ahahah 2011-05-25 21:06:36+0000 <dachary> too cryptic 2011-05-25 21:06:37+0000 <antoviaque1> well done agnes : ) 2011-05-25 21:06:41+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-05-25 21:12:48+0000 <dachary> Agnes: "en tout cas l'interface et vachement plus jolie. On a vu ça au stade zero, ça n'a plus rien a voir." 2011-05-25 21:13:12+0000 <dachary> "quand on clicke sur une carte il se passe quelque chose." 2011-05-25 21:13:49+0000 <dachary> "par contre sur la page des resultats j'ai pas compris. les fontes sont trop petites et je n'ai pas vu le bandeau du haut" 2011-05-25 21:16:15+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: ^ user feedback 2011-05-25 21:16:48+0000 <antoviaque1> cool, thanks agnes : ) 2011-05-25 21:17:27+0000 <antoviaque1> Yep the interface got a lot more polished with the last round - Deborah made really good work : ) 2011-05-25 21:18:00+0000 <antoviaque1> For the results page, yep, several people have got problems with reading it 2011-05-25 21:18:01+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: FYI i invited agnes by sending her an email. She responded well to the invitation and that was no trouble. This is a good way to invite indeed. 2011-05-25 21:18:17+0000 <antoviaque1> : ) 2011-05-25 21:19:06+0000 <antoviaque1> results page => I had entered a game design ticket about this, adding Agnes' comment on it : ) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/53 2011-05-25 21:20:13+0000 <dachary> the card selection is working good for all people I made. Not a single remark, not a single problem. 2011-05-25 21:20:20+0000 <dachary> s/made/met/ 2011-05-25 21:20:30+0000 <antoviaque1> yep, didn't get any complaints from there anymore either 2011-05-25 21:20:45+0000 <antoviaque1> good to know it's working : ) 2011-05-25 21:37:01+0000 <dachary> I know it's not much confort but it's worth mentionning I think. At present the only thing preventing a smooth game experience *once you know the game* is that you are forced to re-enter all invitations each time. 2011-05-25 21:38:24+0000 <dachary> I think I'll work on that tomorrow. 2011-05-25 22:04:22+0000 <antoviaque1> dachary: rogerio tok on that task yesterday http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/46 2011-05-25 22:04:47+0000 <antoviaque1> actually maybe he's around - rogerio? 2011-05-25 22:05:06+0000 <antoviaque1> s/tok/took/ 2011-05-25 22:05:35+0000 <antoviaque1> but there is still its counterpart http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/45 2011-05-25 22:09:30+0000 <antoviaque1> just sent rogerio an email to ask him for an update on #46 2011-05-25 22:09:52+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/6 2011-05-25 22:10:50+0000 <dachary> I'm still unsure about the state of the facebook invitation patch and it looks like this one (#6) depends on it. 2011-05-25 22:11:03+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: do you know if it's ready for review ? 2011-05-25 22:11:31+0000 <antoviaque1> yep 2011-05-25 22:11:33+0000 <antoviaque1> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/23 2011-05-25 22:18:03+0000 <antoviaque1> but it has been for some time, so not sure if it will apply gracefully 2011-05-25 22:19:12+0000 <antoviaque1> ahah, that's actually the first one if I remember correctly ;p 2011-05-25 22:20:10+0000 <antoviaque1> that one traveled a lot, from trac, git diffs to redmine : ) 2011-05-25 22:21:14+0000 <antoviaque1> I think rogerio must have checked it when he worked on #6, which depends on it 2011-05-25 22:21:43+0000 <antoviaque1> it was 5 days ago so it shouldn't be too bad 2011-05-25 22:22:50+0000 <antoviaque1> unless you talk about http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/22 ? 2011-05-25 22:24:04+0000 <antoviaque1> seems ready for review too - you had an answer from him
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