Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-29.
2011-05-29 07:55:40+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-05-29 08:05:53+0000 <antoviaque1> hi 2011-05-29 08:12:53+0000 <dachary> hi 2011-05-29 08:14:50+0000 * dachary looking http://www.mashape.com/howitworks 2011-05-29 08:15:29+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: da good morning. Is now a good time to come over ? 2011-05-29 08:15:51+0000 <antoviaque1> dachary: sure : ) 2011-05-29 08:16:00+0000 <da> good morning 2011-05-29 08:16:00+0000 <antoviaque1> good morning to you ;p 2011-05-29 08:26:08+0000 <antoviaque1> dachary: looking at mapshape - I'll be curious to know what intrigues you there : ) 2011-05-29 08:26:44+0000 <dachary> antoviaque1: there are not many services of the kind, is there ? 2011-05-29 08:26:58+0000 <dachary> I sent them a mail suggesting they publish free software. 2011-05-29 08:27:00+0000 <dachary> we will see 2011-05-29 08:30:27+0000 <antoviaque1> ahh, with http://www.mashape.com/guide/gettingstarted#workflowchart I understand better - yep 2011-05-29 08:41:40+0000 <dachary> I'll be at your place in 20 minutes. ttyl 2011-05-29 09:05:01+0000 Avek (Avek) is now online 2011-05-29 09:05:11+0000 <Avek> hello everybody 2011-05-29 09:05:18+0000 <antoviaque1> hi Avek :) 2011-05-29 09:05:41+0000 <Avek> starting to work on the solo mode again 2011-05-29 09:05:42+0000 <Avek> :) 2011-05-29 09:06:00+0000 <antoviaque1> kewl :D 2011-05-29 09:06:43+0000 <antoviaque1> I'm entering a task for you - it will soon be time to start playtesting :p 2011-05-29 09:06:50+0000 <Avek> hope that I'll have something usefull to you in the afternoon 2011-05-29 09:06:58+0000 <Avek> oh cool! 2011-05-29 09:06:58+0000 <antoviaque1> I mean, in a more strucutred way than what we do until now ;p 2011-05-29 09:07:13+0000 <antoviaque1> yey! I'll read with interest :) 2011-05-29 09:07:33+0000 <Avek> could you launch a game? Need to see what have change this week 2011-05-29 09:07:47+0000 <da> hi Avek :) 2011-05-29 09:08:17+0000 <Avek> hello david 2011-05-29 09:11:48+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-29 09:28:21+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-29 10:06:11+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: the task for the playtests: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/64 2011-05-29 10:06:19+0000 <antoviaque> questions and comments welcome : ) 2011-05-29 10:11:09+0000 <Avek> reading 2011-05-29 10:15:08+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 10:15:23+0000 <Avek> when do you want the playtests to be done ? 2011-05-29 10:16:13+0000 <antoviaque> well we're almost there on the dev/art side - there are only a few critical tasks left 2011-05-29 10:17:22+0000 <antoviaque> so I think if you work on preparing the playtests next week and organize it for the week after, it would be good imho 2011-05-29 10:17:37+0000 <antoviaque> how do you see things? 2011-05-29 10:17:39+0000 <Avek> but that's not possible 2011-05-29 10:17:52+0000 <Avek> I'll be in Grece next week 2011-05-29 10:17:55+0000 <antoviaque> ahhhh 2011-05-29 10:17:59+0000 <antoviaque> true, I forgot 2011-05-29 10:18:09+0000 <antoviaque> When are you going and coming back exactly? 2011-05-29 10:18:49+0000 <Avek> and I think I can't work for Farsides until 3 weeks 2011-05-29 10:20:46+0000 <Avek> After Grece, I'lll be in Bretagne for 4 days (11-14 june) 2011-05-29 10:20:51+0000 <antoviaque> ah ah, ok 2011-05-29 10:20:59+0000 <antoviaque> Hmm 2011-05-29 10:21:29+0000 <Avek> and I have a full GD doc to write until the 15th of june for Darkworks 2011-05-29 10:22:01+0000 <Avek> for the first paiement of the contract Darkworks has almost fully signed 2011-05-29 10:22:17+0000 <Avek> but they told me that last friday 2011-05-29 10:22:32+0000 <antoviaque> I see 2011-05-29 10:22:33+0000 <Avek> f*** loosers⦠2011-05-29 10:22:43+0000 <antoviaque> So how do you want to handle this? 2011-05-29 10:22:57+0000 <antoviaque> I mean, what would work for you for organizing the playtests? 2011-05-29 10:23:00+0000 <dachary> Avek: :-) 2011-05-29 10:23:08+0000 <Avek> hum⦠I you're in a hurry, I just think that I can't. 2011-05-29 10:23:30+0000 <Avek> "if" 2011-05-29 10:23:43+0000 <antoviaque> Well, we could start with some informal playtests with friends 2011-05-29 10:24:00+0000 <antoviaque> and get the "real" thing organized when you're available 2011-05-29 10:24:53+0000 <Avek> yes, but don't you want to wait for the solo mode + tutorial ? 2011-05-29 10:25:34+0000 <antoviaque> We'll need playtests for that too yep 2011-05-29 10:26:00+0000 <antoviaque> But it's good to start playtesting as early as possible - otherwise there is always something to wait for : ) 2011-05-29 10:26:18+0000 <antoviaque> But we can ramp up gradually. Do you think you'd be able to draft a document before leaving that we could use to do the "friends" playtests, like a mini howto? 2011-05-29 10:26:32+0000 <Avek> yes but it depends on what you want to learn with those playtests 2011-05-29 10:26:51+0000 <antoviaque> That's what I tried to list in the ticket 2011-05-29 10:29:20+0000 Avek (Avek) is now online 2011-05-29 10:29:25+0000 <antoviaque> re ;p 2011-05-29 10:29:29+0000 <Avek> sorry 2011-05-29 10:30:23+0000 <Avek> my battery betrayed me 2011-05-29 10:30:25+0000 <antoviaque> 12:26:32 PM) Avek: yes but it depends on what you want to learn with those playtests 2011-05-29 10:30:26+0000 <antoviaque> (12:26:52 PM) antoviaque: That's what I tried to list in the ticket 2011-05-29 10:30:27+0000 <antoviaque> ahah 2011-05-29 10:30:40+0000 <Avek> yes 2011-05-29 10:33:36+0000 <Avek> I think that at this point you'll mostly see what is missing to the game 2011-05-29 10:33:46+0000 <Avek> (and you already know much about that) 2011-05-29 10:35:01+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe - but it would help to have more data, more precise and confirm that we are going in the right direction 2011-05-29 10:35:22+0000 <antoviaque> We already do playtests in a way, by playing with people we cross, occasionally 2011-05-29 10:35:23+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 10:36:33+0000 <antoviaque> but for example, we know that the interface must still be improved (add goals, differentiate the tages more clearly), but any hints on how to proceed would be very useful to Deborah & Laurent 2011-05-29 10:36:54+0000 <antoviaque> Target audience too, is hard to say at the moment 2011-05-29 10:37:36+0000 <antoviaque> The rythm too - playing games immediately vs playing turn by turn over several days... 2011-05-29 10:37:39+0000 <Avek> yeah but on the target point, you need to be able to organize a large playtests session 2011-05-29 10:37:59+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-29 10:38:15+0000 <antoviaque> I don't think we'll be able to answer that with one playtest 2011-05-29 10:38:24+0000 <Avek> and have a more robust game with tutorial, scoring, etc 2011-05-29 10:38:55+0000 <antoviaque> but with proper preparation and note-taking we can progressively isolate patterns imho - now the information is in different people's head 2011-05-29 10:38:57+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-29 10:39:30+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 10:40:06+0000 <Avek> I think that the firts playtests should be focused on the interface and the feedbacks 2011-05-29 10:40:15+0000 <Avek> like you just said 2011-05-29 10:40:31+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good to me 2011-05-29 10:41:18+0000 <Avek> I think that you need to organize a few "live" sessions 2011-05-29 10:41:28+0000 <Avek> with synchrone gameplay 2011-05-29 10:41:50+0000 <Avek> just to see several people playing several games 2011-05-29 10:42:10+0000 <Avek> with your own eyes 2011-05-29 10:42:20+0000 <Avek> and get live feedback 2011-05-29 10:42:23+0000 <antoviaque> agreed 2011-05-29 10:42:45+0000 <antoviaque> dachary and I did this several times already 2011-05-29 10:42:49+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 10:43:24+0000 <Avek> you just need to know if everybody sees all the existing info or not 2011-05-29 10:43:27+0000 <Avek> and why 2011-05-29 10:43:35+0000 <Avek> and what feedback is missing 2011-05-29 10:44:08+0000 <Avek> (what other people are doing, who am i waiting for...) 2011-05-29 10:44:10+0000 <antoviaque> now we need a more systematic format to make sure we can make sure we consistently look at the same things and are able to aggregate the data 2011-05-29 10:44:12+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-29 10:45:08+0000 <antoviaque> ie the protocol + interview + survey 2011-05-29 10:45:17+0000 <Avek> yes... 2011-05-29 10:46:40+0000 <Avek> But the more interesting things should come from observation 2011-05-29 10:48:52+0000 <antoviaque> agreed 2011-05-29 10:49:04+0000 <antoviaque> It's always the unexpected which is the most useful : ) 2011-05-29 10:49:09+0000 <Avek> yes 2011-05-29 10:51:59+0000 <Avek> But why do you thin you need playtests about the interface ? 2011-05-29 10:52:14+0000 <antoviaque> ok, don't worry - I don't want to force you to take it on before your holidays : ) 2011-05-29 10:52:50+0000 <Avek> I won't have the time 2011-05-29 10:53:04+0000 <antoviaque> re interface => because it's the best way to get good leads : ) 2011-05-29 10:53:08+0000 <antoviaque> yup, no problem 2011-05-29 10:53:24+0000 <Avek> but I think that a few signicative improvements could be done without playtests 2011-05-29 10:53:41+0000 <antoviaque> I'll see what I can prepare myself then, and when you come back we prepare the large one 2011-05-29 10:54:12+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: agreed - but the sooner we have playtest, the sooner we can discover those "unexpected" things 2011-05-29 10:54:14+0000 <Avek> you already know that the readability could be improved because the screen is overcrowded 2011-05-29 10:54:22+0000 <Avek> I saw a task about that 2011-05-29 10:54:26+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-29 10:54:38+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, how to explain this *thinks* 2011-05-29 10:54:56+0000 <Avek> so what ? just hide what is unusefull first 2011-05-29 10:55:21+0000 <Avek> and make all the feedback and buttons visible 2011-05-29 10:55:37+0000 <antoviaque> Yep, by default that's the path that we will take 2011-05-29 10:55:48+0000 <antoviaque> as you said there are already tasks created for that 2011-05-29 10:55:54+0000 <Avek> then perhaps reorganize a few things 2011-05-29 10:56:07+0000 <antoviaque> but maybe the playtests will show that there is something even more important to do first 2011-05-29 10:56:17+0000 <antoviaque> or give hints on why some of the stuff are confusing 2011-05-29 10:56:30+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 10:56:39+0000 <antoviaque> or even show us that we should change the core of the gameplay - that's the thing, without doing them we don't know ;p 2011-05-29 10:56:51+0000 <Avek> ?? 2011-05-29 10:56:59+0000 <Avek> change the core of the gameplay ? 2011-05-29 10:57:10+0000 <Avek> what do you mean ? 2011-05-29 10:57:18+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, don't be scared ;p 2011-05-29 10:57:59+0000 <Avek> about that, I know that too early playtests can be a problem and create overreaction 2011-05-29 10:58:07+0000 <Avek> "ubisoft style" 2011-05-29 10:58:09+0000 <Avek> :p 2011-05-29 10:58:42+0000 <antoviaque> of course, we need to take this into account 2011-05-29 10:59:06+0000 <Avek> so I would focus on making a more robust game first :) 2011-05-29 10:59:13+0000 <antoviaque> but my point is that we often have suprises during playtests, and the earlier you spot them, the more you can do about it 2011-05-29 10:59:28+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: beware of the retail games reflexes ;p 2011-05-29 10:59:30+0000 <Avek> yes I undertand that 2011-05-29 11:02:34+0000 <antoviaque> Here I don't expect major surprises - but even if the playtests just confirm what we saw I would already sleep better : ) 2011-05-29 11:02:44+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 11:16:53+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: da: Added this to begin the BI part http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/65 2011-05-29 11:21:14+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: good 2011-05-29 11:39:57+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-05-29 11:40:05+0000 <antoviaque> hi arbrandes 2011-05-29 11:40:25+0000 <arbrandes> hey there 2011-05-29 11:40:39+0000 <antoviaque> welcome, and nice to meet you : ) 2011-05-29 11:41:14+0000 <arbrandes> yup, same here! are you a bot or a human? ;) 2011-05-29 11:41:16+0000 <Avek> hi! 2011-05-29 11:41:24+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah, I'm a human ;p 2011-05-29 11:41:31+0000 <antoviaque> but I can't prove it : ) 2011-05-29 11:42:01+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, just joking, you sounded just like the humanity project bot. 2011-05-29 11:42:07+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-05-29 11:42:18+0000 <antoviaque> So you played HPO? : ) 2011-05-29 11:42:44+0000 <da> hi there 2011-05-29 11:43:44+0000 <arbrandes> I tested it out yesterday. Pretty cool concept. Sort of like "Where in the WWW is Carmen Sandiego?" 2011-05-29 11:44:02+0000 <antoviaque> Yes, it draws heavily on ARGs for inspiration : ) 2011-05-29 11:44:16+0000 <antoviaque> I'm curious - how did you find out about it? 2011-05-29 11:45:15+0000 <arbrandes> I'm considering applying for your programmer position (which I found out about on stackoverflow careers), so, to be perfectly blunt, I'm gathering all information I can. :) 2011-05-29 11:46:30+0000 <arbrandes> I like what I've seen so far. Everything out in the open! It's pretty refreshing. 2011-05-29 11:50:53+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, cool : ) 2011-05-29 11:51:14+0000 <antoviaque> Well you're most welcome to hang around here and gather all the info you want : ) 2011-05-29 11:51:27+0000 <antoviaque> If I can answer you on anything, I'll be glad to 2011-05-29 11:54:26+0000 <arbrandes> Heheh, ok, thanks... I've read everything up on your site, blog, business plan, etc, and I only have one doubt left: what will you charge the users for? (lol, this is like a reverse interview) 2011-05-29 11:55:04+0000 <arbrandes> (Sorry if the question is too blunt, by the way) 2011-05-29 11:56:07+0000 <antoviaque> good question, it's not too blunt at all : ) 2011-05-29 11:56:24+0000 <antoviaque> The model is basically the freemium 2011-05-29 11:56:42+0000 <antoviaque> so the games are free to play, but we'll add monetization elements 2011-05-29 11:57:04+0000 <antoviaque> for example, if you want to level a bit faster, buy money, or buy a set of new cards in Card Stories... 2011-05-29 11:57:27+0000 <antoviaque> On that part we don't intended to innovate much - we take on the industry standard 2011-05-29 11:57:44+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, I see. I like the "set of new cards" idea. That'll win over all the hoarders out there. 2011-05-29 11:57:54+0000 <antoviaque> : ) 2011-05-29 11:58:32+0000 <arbrandes> I just tried playing Card Stories; the email invitation isn't working yet, right? 2011-05-29 11:59:01+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, that part is still being worked on, but it should work 2011-05-29 11:59:10+0000 <arbrandes> Found it :) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/62 2011-05-29 11:59:30+0000 <antoviaque> yep : ) 2011-05-29 11:59:33+0000 <arbrandes> Cool, you guys use redmine 2011-05-29 11:59:51+0000 <arbrandes> Do you also use the Backlogs plugin? 2011-05-29 11:59:57+0000 <antoviaque> but the invitation one should already be sent (it's just a text/plain email for now) 2011-05-29 12:00:13+0000 <antoviaque> nope, but I had a look at it already 2011-05-29 12:00:26+0000 <antoviaque> our version of redmine is too old for it, but we planned to try it out 2011-05-29 12:01:08+0000 <antoviaque> you have some experience with it? 2011-05-29 12:01:46+0000 <arbrandes> It works pretty well. The "corkboard" isn't themable (so it kinda looks out of place), but I haven't found any showstopper bugs. I've been using for a few months with my current team. 2011-05-29 12:02:00+0000 <arbrandes> It completely replaced the real corkboard, by the way. 2011-05-29 12:02:05+0000 <antoviaque> cool, good to know 2011-05-29 12:02:13+0000 <antoviaque> do you work on games too? 2011-05-29 12:03:19+0000 <arbrandes> No, unfortunately! That is why I liked your project, I want a change of scenery. The corporate world is too boring. Plus, I love anything and everything open source. 2011-05-29 12:03:31+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-29 12:03:52+0000 <antoviaque> what do you work for so far? :) 2011-05-29 12:06:17+0000 <arbrandes> You mean, what I've done? Plenty of web work (front and backend), mostly PHP but a bit RoR and Django. A bunch of sysadmin stuff too (lots of Bash and Python), and plenty of low-level things with C. The company I currently work for is small, so you gotta do a bit of everything. :) 2011-05-29 12:07:13+0000 <da> hi arbrandes. Curious to know where you are in the world :) ? 2011-05-29 12:07:24+0000 <arbrandes> Brazil. Rio de Janeiro, more precisely. 2011-05-29 12:07:29+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, yes 2011-05-29 12:07:40+0000 <da> ok :) 2011-05-29 12:07:45+0000 <arbrandes> I liked the programmer position because it allows telecommuting 2011-05-29 12:07:59+0000 <da> i'm in france, paris. antoviaque too 2011-05-29 12:08:00+0000 <arbrandes> The whole "work from the beach" thing is specially attractive, lol 2011-05-29 12:08:15+0000 <antoviaque> Ah, you're lucky - trying to convince my wife to live in Brazil for ages (she's Brazilian too ;p) 2011-05-29 12:08:33+0000 <antoviaque> and rogerio & romulo, two of the other developers, are from Belo Horizonte : ) 2011-05-29 12:08:48+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ahah, litteraly ;p 2011-05-29 12:09:45+0000 <arbrandes> Hahahha, yes, literally. :) Although in truth, bringing a notebook to the beach kinda sucks: there's sand and salt everywhere, hehehe 2011-05-29 12:10:12+0000 <antoviaque> yep, and with sun rays on the screen we can't see anything ;p 2011-05-29 12:10:42+0000 <da> all this said, the idea of working on the beach is still seducing 2011-05-29 12:10:52+0000 * antoviaque nodds vigorously 2011-05-29 12:10:53+0000 <arbrandes> Yeah, at least until the whole Pixel Qi screen thing picks up, lol 2011-05-29 12:10:59+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, VERY seducing 2011-05-29 12:11:06+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-05-29 12:11:07+0000 <arbrandes> I once got a white netbook just to try it out. 2011-05-29 12:11:36+0000 <arbrandes> (you know, reflects more, heats up less, etc) 2011-05-29 12:11:55+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: did you try playing Card Stories already? If you want I can create a game, will help for the playtests : ) 2011-05-29 12:12:23+0000 <arbrandes> I just tried it out. Tried sending out an invite to myself (another email address), but didn't get it. 2011-05-29 12:12:32+0000 <antoviaque> ok, let me see 2011-05-29 12:12:48+0000 <arbrandes> [email protected] 2011-05-29 12:12:56+0000 <arbrandes> tried to send to [email protected] 2011-05-29 12:13:01+0000 <arbrandes> No cigar 2011-05-29 12:13:57+0000 <antoviaque> I've invited @gmail.com 2011-05-29 12:14:05+0000 <antoviaque> You can also join the game there: http://cardstori.es/?game_id=14&; 2011-05-29 12:14:27+0000 <arbrandes> Nothing yet 2011-05-29 12:14:29+0000 <antoviaque> da: dachary: Avek: to play a game of CS ==> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=14&; 2011-05-29 12:14:33+0000 <antoviaque> even in spams? 2011-05-29 12:14:57+0000 <arbrandes> Not even in smaps 2011-05-29 12:14:59+0000 <arbrandes> *spams 2011-05-29 12:15:02+0000 <antoviaque> uhuh 2011-05-29 12:15:21+0000 <antoviaque> I'll enter a ticket to check this server side 2011-05-29 12:15:38+0000 <arbrandes> Cool, my first catch 2011-05-29 12:15:39+0000 <arbrandes> Lol 2011-05-29 12:15:44+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-29 12:16:16+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/66 2011-05-29 12:16:48+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: in the meantime, try to join here http://cardstori.es/?game_id=14&; 2011-05-29 12:17:17+0000 <antoviaque> when you are confused (you will be ;p), let me know about it, it helps : ) 2011-05-29 12:17:46+0000 <arbrandes> Done. I'm confused. 2011-05-29 12:17:47+0000 <arbrandes> Lol 2011-05-29 12:17:48+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-05-29 12:18:01+0000 <antoviaque> what did confuse you? 2011-05-29 12:18:08+0000 <arbrandes> How does the game work? 2011-05-29 12:18:11+0000 <arbrandes> I mean, 2011-05-29 12:18:17+0000 <antoviaque> sorry I have to ask, for playtest purposes : ) 2011-05-29 12:18:57+0000 <arbrandes> I didn't quite get the point yet (because I couldn't proceed with the invite, I think). 2011-05-29 12:19:34+0000 <antoviaque> Nope, this part is actually very confusing today, it's the main focus currently, to try to improve things during the first 1-2 games 2011-05-29 12:19:55+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, I see, now I have to vote 2011-05-29 12:20:53+0000 <antoviaque> So when you join a game, one of the players (here, me) chose a sentence (I wrote it, "Farsides") and a card. Your first action is to chose a card too, that matches the sentence I wrote 2011-05-29 12:20:58+0000 <arbrandes> But, how do I choose? Should I be looking for clues somewhere? Or is this just based on how I know the author? 2011-05-29 12:21:16+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, ok, the "Farsides" is a clue 2011-05-29 12:21:23+0000 <antoviaque> Just based on what you know of me (and the other players, since da chose the third card) 2011-05-29 12:21:27+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-29 12:22:16+0000 <antoviaque> During the vote the cards chosen by the author of the sentence (me) and the players (david and you) are displayed, and you have to find out which was the card I originally chose 2011-05-29 12:22:34+0000 <antoviaque> ...and the result : ) 2011-05-29 12:22:40+0000 * da is looking for a ticket to work on but not sure which on. Would like to continue a bit with css 2011-05-29 12:22:52+0000 <antoviaque> damned, I lost! 2011-05-29 12:22:57+0000 <antoviaque> grumml : ) 2011-05-29 12:23:05+0000 <da> you always do antoviaque :) 2011-05-29 12:23:08+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-05-29 12:23:11+0000 <antoviaque> not truuuuue 2011-05-29 12:23:24+0000 <arbrandes> So I won? Yay!!! Now THAT is a good sign, lol 2011-05-29 12:23:25+0000 <antoviaque> so here I guess you're lost again arbrandes, right? : ) 2011-05-29 12:23:30+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-05-29 12:23:33+0000 <antoviaque> well done ;p 2011-05-29 12:23:48+0000 <Avek> crap, I missed the game! 2011-05-29 12:23:57+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: we can do another one : ) 2011-05-29 12:24:02+0000 <Avek> yes please 2011-05-29 12:24:23+0000 <arbrandes> Well, yes, I'm still a bit confused. But it all certainly looks good, and I can see the viral potential. 2011-05-29 12:24:34+0000 <arbrandes> Are you guys going with Facebook, or sticking with email? 2011-05-29 12:24:39+0000 <antoviaque> both 2011-05-29 12:25:04+0000 <antoviaque> you'd announce games and results on fb, and invite friends using FB too 2011-05-29 12:25:17+0000 <antoviaque> for those who don't use FB, email would still be an option 2011-05-29 12:25:33+0000 <arbrandes> Nice 2011-05-29 12:25:46+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: maybe you could create one game if you want? 2011-05-29 12:26:21+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: the last confusing bit is to understand who wins and why 2011-05-29 12:26:43+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 12:26:46+0000 <arbrandes> I think I got the idea, but yes, it's a bit confusing 2011-05-29 12:27:08+0000 <antoviaque> basically when you're a player, you win when you find out the author's card 2011-05-29 12:27:21+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, but how does the author win? 2011-05-29 12:28:05+0000 <antoviaque> or if nobody found it (which means that the game was too hard) 2011-05-29 12:28:07+0000 <antoviaque> ah 2011-05-29 12:28:10+0000 <antoviaque> the author wins 2011-05-29 12:29:00+0000 <antoviaque> when at least one of the player chose the wrong card, but not all of them 2011-05-29 12:29:06+0000 <Avek> waiting for Xavier & David to play 2011-05-29 12:29:20+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: do you have the url? 2011-05-29 12:29:30+0000 <antoviaque> (copy&paste from your browser url bar) 2011-05-29 12:29:41+0000 <Avek> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=15&; 2011-05-29 12:29:54+0000 <arbrandes> I've chosen a card already 2011-05-29 12:30:10+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: so the goal of the author is to make it not too hard, but not too obvious either to guess the card 2011-05-29 12:30:30+0000 <Avek> and you choose a very good one arbrandes 2011-05-29 12:30:39+0000 <antoviaque> done too 2011-05-29 12:31:05+0000 <arbrandes> Can I vote on my own card? 2011-05-29 12:31:12+0000 <arbrandes> Meaning, 2011-05-29 12:31:23+0000 <antoviaque> yes, but if you do that, unless everyone choses the wrong card, you lose 2011-05-29 12:31:32+0000 <arbrandes> Can the author have chosen the same one? 2011-05-29 12:31:36+0000 <antoviaque> nope 2011-05-29 12:31:41+0000 <antoviaque> cards can only be chosen once 2011-05-29 12:31:43+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, I see, the author does not see the same cards I do. 2011-05-29 12:31:53+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-29 12:31:59+0000 <dachary> I want to play 2011-05-29 12:32:02+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-05-29 12:32:18+0000 <Avek> this game is a good one 2011-05-29 12:32:20+0000 <Avek> :) 2011-05-29 12:32:28+0000 <arbrandes> Ohhhhhhhh, now I get it 2011-05-29 12:32:34+0000 <arbrandes> Everybody will choose similar cards 2011-05-29 12:32:37+0000 <arbrandes> Because of the clue 2011-05-29 12:32:40+0000 <Avek> yep 2011-05-29 12:32:44+0000 <arbrandes> But you have to guess the AUTHOR's one 2011-05-29 12:32:49+0000 <antoviaque> yep : ) 2011-05-29 12:32:53+0000 <arbrandes> Presumably because you know him better than the rest. 2011-05-29 12:33:01+0000 <antoviaque> exactly 2011-05-29 12:33:03+0000 <Avek> and the more your card is close to the clue, the more I'll fail 2011-05-29 12:33:05+0000 <arbrandes> So it's a competition to see who knows him better. 2011-05-29 12:33:24+0000 <arbrandes> With a nice random element. 2011-05-29 12:33:27+0000 <arbrandes> Cool. 2011-05-29 12:33:32+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-29 12:34:02+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=16 2011-05-29 12:34:05+0000 <Avek> so can you vote now arbrantes ? 2011-05-29 12:34:16+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, I caught my first bug, won my first game, now for my first nitpick (lol): I can't see the whole card when voting! 2011-05-29 12:34:27+0000 * antoviaque adds the chat history to the playtest log :p 2011-05-29 12:34:35+0000 <Avek> lol 2011-05-29 12:34:38+0000 <arbrandes> What's the thing on the left of the alien? 2011-05-29 12:34:46+0000 <arbrandes> a hat? 2011-05-29 12:34:48+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2011-05-29 12:35:18+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: you can, you have to click on the card (and chose cancel if you want to have a look at another one) 2011-05-29 12:35:23+0000 <Avek> I almost lost 2011-05-29 12:35:26+0000 <antoviaque> size constaints 2011-05-29 12:35:34+0000 <Avek> your card was better than mine 2011-05-29 12:35:40+0000 <arbrandes> Yay, I won again! hehehehe 2011-05-29 12:36:01+0000 <antoviaque> wow, well done Avek & arbrandes : ) 2011-05-29 12:36:03+0000 <antoviaque> You got me 2011-05-29 12:36:17+0000 <da> me too 2011-05-29 12:36:27+0000 <da> your card was pretty good 2011-05-29 12:36:44+0000 <arbrandes> Yup, the banana was most juicy! lol 2011-05-29 12:36:49+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-05-29 12:39:34+0000 <Avek> loic failed 2011-05-29 12:39:41+0000 <dachary> yes I did 2011-05-29 12:39:41+0000 <Avek> :D 2011-05-29 12:39:42+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-05-29 12:39:45+0000 <dachary> not inspired 2011-05-29 12:39:50+0000 <dachary> try me ! 2011-05-29 12:39:51+0000 <dachary> more 2011-05-29 12:39:57+0000 <antoviaque> yes!! 2011-05-29 12:40:02+0000 <antoviaque> who creates? 2011-05-29 12:40:05+0000 <dachary> i do 2011-05-29 12:40:09+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-05-29 12:40:22+0000 <arbrandes> Chrome's complaining "Resource interpreted as Image but transferred with MIME type text/html" 2011-05-29 12:40:33+0000 <arbrandes> Just a warning, though 2011-05-29 12:40:37+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-29 12:41:17+0000 <antoviaque> Actually this isn't in a ticket I think - so sceond bug, well done : ) 2011-05-29 12:41:33+0000 <Avek> But here is the main issue of this game to mee: it's too much based on luck⦠Your sentence can be smart, it depends ont the cards draw 2011-05-29 12:41:47+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: if you want you can even have the honor of submitting the ticket :D http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/issues/new 2011-05-29 12:41:48+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, there's a lot to do with luck 2011-05-29 12:41:56+0000 <arbrandes> Alrighty, will! ;) 2011-05-29 12:42:00+0000 <arbrandes> *will do! 2011-05-29 12:42:01+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, thanks ;p 2011-05-29 12:42:08+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=17 2011-05-29 12:42:26+0000 <arbrandes> Login required. Do I already have a username? Hehehe... 2011-05-29 12:42:55+0000 <da> Avek: that's a very good thing to measure in a playtest i think ;) 2011-05-29 12:43:10+0000 <arbrandes> I'm registering 2011-05-29 12:43:13+0000 <Avek> and how would you do that ? 2011-05-29 12:43:15+0000 <Avek> :) 2011-05-29 12:43:41+0000 <da> Avek: qualitative feedback ! 2011-05-29 12:43:47+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: nope, I'm afraid you'd have to fill a dreadful subscription form ;p 2011-05-29 12:44:04+0000 <da> like a consumer study : not only play but also answer questions 2011-05-29 12:44:20+0000 <da> difficulty : phrasing the questions the right way 2011-05-29 12:44:37+0000 <antoviaque> da: Avek: yep, it's in the list of stuff I've put for the playtest - cf http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/64 2011-05-29 12:44:47+0000 <da> so that they don't orientate the answer 2011-05-29 12:45:00+0000 * dachary calling for votes at http://cardstori.es/?game_id=17 2011-05-29 12:45:55+0000 <dachary> da thanks ! 2011-05-29 12:46:01+0000 <da> damn 2011-05-29 12:46:02+0000 <antoviaque> raaaaah 2011-05-29 12:46:04+0000 <da> Xav !!! 2011-05-29 12:46:05+0000 <antoviaque> but but but 2011-05-29 12:46:09+0000 <antoviaque> WHY the sun??? 2011-05-29 12:46:19+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: because ! 2011-05-29 12:46:22+0000 <antoviaque> raaaah 2011-05-29 12:46:25+0000 * antoviaque always loses 2011-05-29 12:46:26+0000 <dachary> mouahahah 2011-05-29 12:46:45+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-05-29 12:47:16+0000 <arbrandes> Hmm, it's happening will all pngs 2011-05-29 12:47:19+0000 <arbrandes> Firefox doesn't complain 2011-05-29 12:48:13+0000 <antoviaque> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=18&; 2011-05-29 12:49:20+0000 <Avek> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=19&; 2011-05-29 12:49:25+0000 <Avek> 2 more 2011-05-29 12:51:28+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: so you were considering applying for the game dev position? 2011-05-29 12:52:06+0000 * Avek waiting for players http://cardstori.es/?game_id=19&; 2011-05-29 12:52:07+0000 <arbrandes> Oh, I WAS considering, now I definitely will. You'll be getting my CV shortly. ;) 2011-05-29 12:53:02+0000 <arbrandes> (Just after I open the ticket, hehehe.) 2011-05-29 12:53:42+0000 * Avek waiting for players to vote http://cardstori.es/?game_id=19&; 2011-05-29 12:54:28+0000 <antoviaque> done : ) 2011-05-29 12:55:17+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: good to know : ) Make sure you mention your IRC name, so that I put you on top of the pile : ) 2011-05-29 12:55:38+0000 <arbrandes> Sure thing! :) 2011-05-29 12:56:24+0000 <antoviaque> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=18&; done 2011-05-29 12:56:30+0000 <antoviaque> damned 2011-05-29 12:58:36+0000 <Avek> yep⦠You don't need playtests⦠you need to learn how to play that game Antoviaque :p 2011-05-29 12:58:45+0000 <dachary> Avek: ahahahah 2011-05-29 12:58:49+0000 <da> hehe 2011-05-29 12:58:49+0000 <antoviaque> Grmmmml 2011-05-29 12:58:52+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-05-29 12:59:08+0000 * antoviaque is going to cheat next time ;p 2011-05-29 12:59:18+0000 <arbrandes> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/67, now to send the resumé. brb 2011-05-29 12:59:19+0000 <Avek> try now :http://cardstori.es/?game_id=19&; 2011-05-29 13:00:00+0000 <Avek> we're waiting for arbrandes to close the votes 2011-05-29 13:00:10+0000 <arbrandes> Oops, which one 2011-05-29 13:00:12+0000 <arbrandes> 18 or 19? 2011-05-29 13:00:12+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: re http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/67 - perfect, just confirmed it : ) Thanks! 2011-05-29 13:00:15+0000 <Avek> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=19&; 2011-05-29 13:00:55+0000 <arbrandes> Yay! 2011-05-29 13:00:57+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehe 2011-05-29 13:01:00+0000 <Avek> thx otherwise I would have lost 2011-05-29 13:01:02+0000 <Avek> :p 2011-05-29 13:01:16+0000 <arbrandes> how many cards are there, btw? 2011-05-29 13:01:56+0000 <antoviaque> raah, lost again ;p 2011-05-29 13:04:37+0000 <dachary> http://cardstori.es/?game_id=20 2011-05-29 13:04:48+0000 * dachary is not tired of humiliating antoviaque 2011-05-29 13:05:24+0000 <antoviaque> Yep, beware, beware... :D 2011-05-29 13:07:11+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: your turn 2011-05-29 13:07:49+0000 <dachary> at last, you won 2011-05-29 13:07:50+0000 <dachary> ahahah 2011-05-29 13:07:50+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ahahahahahahaha 2011-05-29 13:07:56+0000 <antoviaque> You lose!! :P 2011-05-29 13:08:09+0000 * dachary is back to the code 2011-05-29 13:08:14+0000 * antoviaque is dancing around 2011-05-29 13:08:32+0000 * Avek is going to eat someting for real 2011-05-29 13:08:49+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: bon appetit :) 2011-05-29 13:08:55+0000 <Avek> merci :)` 2011-05-29 13:39:10+0000 <da> antoviaque: (14:22:41) ***da is looking for a ticket to work on but not sure which on. Would like to continue a bit with css 2011-05-29 13:41:40+0000 <da> any hint ? 2011-05-29 13:42:33+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-05-29 13:42:59+0000 <antoviaque> da: you could try http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/58 2011-05-29 13:45:08+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-29 13:45:22+0000 <da> ok thx i'm going to look 2011-05-29 13:49:53+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: tiddlywiki rocks 2011-05-29 13:50:47+0000 <Avek> back to work 2011-05-29 13:51:26+0000 <Avek> Federer is in good shape 2011-05-29 13:51:45+0000 <dachary> Avek: you can abuse antoviaque, he lost his keyboard and can't reply 2011-05-29 13:52:01+0000 <Avek> lol 2011-05-29 13:55:42+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-29 13:56:25+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-05-29 13:56:32+0000 <antoviaque> (with a keyboard again ;p) 2011-05-29 13:56:41+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: tiddlywiki sucks 2011-05-29 13:57:16+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: dam, the world was a better place while you were mute and tiddlywiki ruled 2011-05-29 13:57:26+0000 <antoviaque> sure thing 2011-05-29 14:54:49+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-05-29 15:23:44+0000 <Avek> I've edited the solo mode wiki page 2011-05-29 15:23:47+0000 <Avek> http://farsides.com/wiki/Card_Stories_-_Solo_Mode 2011-05-29 15:24:58+0000 <Avek> there are a few points that I'd like to discuss before leaving 2011-05-29 15:25:55+0000 <Avek> antoviaque, are you there ? 2011-05-29 15:26:02+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: yep 2011-05-29 15:26:07+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-05-29 15:26:14+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 15:27:35+0000 * antoviaque is reading 2011-05-29 15:31:32+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: reading about notifications makes me think of ticket http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/44 2011-05-29 15:31:42+0000 <antoviaque> (the doc is good so far btw, still reading) 2011-05-29 15:31:55+0000 <antoviaque> about #44 - would the plugin mentionned in the ticket work to display them? http://binarybonsai.com/misc/humanmsg/ 2011-05-29 15:32:55+0000 <Avek> yeah, why not? 2011-05-29 15:33:02+0000 <antoviaque> just to check : ) 2011-05-29 15:34:04+0000 <Avek> I like the idea of a message log that you can hide 2011-05-29 15:34:35+0000 <Avek> but you need to display it for the beginner i guess 2011-05-29 15:34:56+0000 <antoviaque> yup, probably 2011-05-29 15:35:23+0000 <antoviaque> I'll need to see if tartaruga likes it too, from a graphic design perspective 2011-05-29 15:35:50+0000 <Avek> yep 2011-05-29 15:36:01+0000 <Avek> thinking about the interface 2011-05-29 15:36:46+0000 <Avek> we need to make a greater difference between what is interactive/usefull 2011-05-29 15:36:52+0000 <Avek> and what is only decorative 2011-05-29 15:37:06+0000 <antoviaque> yup, agreed 2011-05-29 15:38:49+0000 <antoviaque> You can have a look at the graphic design tasks in the tracker btw - this way if you see something worth digging in that area, you can make sure it enters the workflow 2011-05-29 15:39:03+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 15:39:12+0000 <Avek> I'll have a look 2011-05-29 15:39:31+0000 <antoviaque> The ones which are in your specs I'll create the tickets for it, but it can be good for you to monitor it 2011-05-29 15:41:02+0000 <Avek> yep 2011-05-29 15:41:07+0000 <Avek> that's right 2011-05-29 15:41:28+0000 <Avek> and I could have seen the #52 2011-05-29 15:41:31+0000 <Avek> Make the progression box more visible 2011-05-29 15:41:51+0000 <Avek> with this comment: "and maybe put it on top left instead of right, as people usually look there first" 2011-05-29 15:41:52+0000 <Avek> :p 2011-05-29 15:42:06+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, I took ti from your suggestions actually : ) 2011-05-29 15:42:08+0000 <antoviaque> it 2011-05-29 15:42:12+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: http://farsides.com/blog/activity/p/756/ 2011-05-29 15:42:29+0000 <antoviaque> the beginning of a playtest protocol & survey 2011-05-29 15:42:37+0000 <antoviaque> Comments welcome : ) 2011-05-29 15:43:06+0000 <antoviaque> Then I'll enter it in a limesurvey, so that it's practical to enter the data during the test 2011-05-29 15:43:21+0000 <antoviaque> (one for the playtest organiser, one for each of the players) 2011-05-29 15:43:59+0000 <Avek> You don't loose time! 2011-05-29 15:44:06+0000 <antoviaque> ahaha ;p 2011-05-29 15:44:50+0000 <Avek> (don't know why I always put 2 "o" in lose) 2011-05-29 15:47:55+0000 <Avek> Don't forget that the purpose of playtests is to get what went wrong first! 2011-05-29 15:48:25+0000 <antoviaque> what went wrong and what went right - why one more than the other? 2011-05-29 15:48:52+0000 <antoviaque> Or did you mean something else? 2011-05-29 15:52:39+0000 <Avek> I mean that you want to improve the game by eradicating the issues 2011-05-29 15:52:50+0000 <Avek> so issues are what is more important first 2011-05-29 15:53:01+0000 <Avek> but knowing who loves your game and why 2011-05-29 15:53:08+0000 <Avek> is useful too 2011-05-29 15:53:11+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-29 15:53:17+0000 <antoviaque> it's both sides of the same coin 2011-05-29 15:53:22+0000 <Avek> yes... 2011-05-29 15:53:31+0000 <antoviaque> you want to have information about both to set the direction 2011-05-29 15:54:21+0000 <Avek> yeah, but the issues can distort the result of the what went right side 2011-05-29 15:54:38+0000 <antoviaque> true 2011-05-29 15:55:00+0000 <Avek> so you need to filter the feedback too 2011-05-29 15:55:09+0000 <antoviaque> How would you filter it? 2011-05-29 15:55:39+0000 * antoviaque resumes reading the solo mode spec 2011-05-29 15:56:15+0000 <Avek> the filter is something fragile but it's based on your vision of the game 2011-05-29 15:57:05+0000 <Avek> you know it's strenght and it's weakness 2011-05-29 15:58:06+0000 <Avek> it's just about good-sense 2011-05-29 16:00:15+0000 <Avek> the main direction won't change unless a big surprise during a large palytest 2011-05-29 16:00:35+0000 <antoviaque> yup, of course 2011-05-29 16:02:16+0000 * antoviaque has finished reading the specs 2011-05-29 16:02:34+0000 <antoviaque> Seems very good, I can see how this could give something small in terms of development 2011-05-29 16:03:22+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 16:03:24+0000 <antoviaque> There are still some aspects to sort out (selection of the games & player), but we could already make a minimal implementation of this, to see how it is to play it 2011-05-29 16:03:35+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 16:04:15+0000 <Avek> and doing this you will probably answer the questions about who to replace and how to attribute the votes 2011-05-29 16:04:27+0000 <Avek> which is not important in a first place 2011-05-29 16:04:31+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: will be good to discuss how to cut it in a minimal set of code tasks, but the quality of the specs make it pretty straightforward imho 2011-05-29 16:04:42+0000 <antoviaque> yep, completly 2011-05-29 16:04:57+0000 <antoviaque> playing it will allow us to see the games where it works and the ones where it doesnt 2011-05-29 16:05:03+0000 <Avek> yes 2011-05-29 16:05:24+0000 <Avek> and then you'll be close to have a nice tutorial I guess 2011-05-29 16:05:27+0000 <Avek> ;-) 2011-05-29 16:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> yup :) 2011-05-29 16:05:42+0000 <antoviaque> good work btw - thanks for this :) 2011-05-29 16:06:15+0000 * da now reading the specs too 2011-05-29 16:06:28+0000 <da> Avek: i like it so far :) 2011-05-29 16:06:30+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ok 2011-05-29 16:06:43+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I am agreed 2011-05-29 16:06:48+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-29 16:06:52+0000 <Avek> ok cool 2011-05-29 16:07:16+0000 <Avek> I tried to keep it simple and close to the existing game 2011-05-29 16:07:24+0000 <Avek> plus suggestions for the feedback 2011-05-29 16:07:27+0000 <antoviaque> yup, that's what makes it ideal :) 2011-05-29 16:07:45+0000 <Avek> ok great 2011-05-29 16:07:52+0000 <antoviaque> this way it's easy to see the next steps code-wise 2011-05-29 16:08:20+0000 <Avek> I look forward playing it 2011-05-29 16:08:35+0000 <Avek> and see how the "recording" thing could really work 2011-05-29 16:08:38+0000 <antoviaque> me too : ) 2011-05-29 16:09:46+0000 <Avek> I'm going to take a shower and pack my luggage now... 2011-05-29 16:10:00+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: btw, when you complete a task, can you update the ticket with a comment? 2011-05-29 16:10:12+0000 <Avek> yep 2011-05-29 16:10:13+0000 <Avek> ok 2011-05-29 16:10:17+0000 <antoviaque> (and switch it to "Ready for review", this way I know I have to look at it) 2011-05-29 16:10:20+0000 <antoviaque> thanks :) 2011-05-29 16:12:30+0000 <Avek> done 2011-05-29 16:13:02+0000 <Avek> afk for a few minutes, but I'll come back to see if you have any question/comment later 2011-05-29 16:13:06+0000 <Avek> ok? 2011-05-29 16:13:18+0000 <antoviaque> perfact, thanks Avek! 2011-05-29 16:41:38+0000 <Avek> hey 2011-05-29 16:41:45+0000 <Avek> any question/comment? 2011-05-29 16:42:50+0000 <Avek> I thought we should ask all the open questions at the bootom of the page 2011-05-29 16:43:34+0000 <Avek> I thought we should add all the open questions to the bottom of the page 2011-05-29 16:43:53+0000 <Avek> (about the single player mode) 2011-05-29 17:00:27+0000 <arbrandes> lol, dachary, you do Asterisk too? Were you at the last Astricon? 2011-05-29 17:02:00+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I was not. I'm fairly unexperienced with asterisk. 2011-05-29 17:04:06+0000 <arbrandes> I was reading your blog, and followed on the XiVO reference. 2011-05-29 17:04:14+0000 <arbrandes> Didn't know about it, looks cool. 2011-05-29 17:05:46+0000 <antoviaque> Avek: all good for me 2011-05-29 17:05:54+0000 <antoviaque> I may have some further questions down the line 2011-05-29 17:06:07+0000 <antoviaque> When I create the tickets or during a discussion with Loic 2011-05-29 17:07:38+0000 <arbrandes> Newb question: can only 2 people play? one author, one player? 2011-05-29 17:07:44+0000 <antoviaque> nope 2011-05-29 17:07:47+0000 <antoviaque> at least 3 2011-05-29 17:07:50+0000 <antoviaque> 1 author + 2 players 2011-05-29 17:07:57+0000 <arbrandes> I checked out the code, trying to get things running 2011-05-29 17:07:58+0000 <arbrandes> Ok 2011-05-29 17:08:10+0000 <antoviaque> otherwise you know which of the two cards is not yours ;p 2011-05-29 17:08:16+0000 <arbrandes> Lol, yeah, makes sense 2011-05-29 17:14:07+0000 <arbrandes> What do you guys do to test 3 players? Chrome/Firefox/Opera? VMs? 2011-05-29 17:14:45+0000 <antoviaque> you can add the player_id= arg in the url 2011-05-29 17:15:02+0000 <antoviaque> then you can switch from one player to the other by changing the value 2011-05-29 17:15:41+0000 <arbrandes> Thanks, that's of course much easier :) 2011-05-29 17:18:26+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-29 17:18:41+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: since you wanted to have a look at the questions for the playtests: http://farsides.com/wiki/Card_Stories_Playtest_Protocol 2011-05-29 17:19:20+0000 <Avek> I'm leaving, see you soon guys 2011-05-29 17:19:41+0000 Avek (Avek) is now offline 2011-05-29 18:02:07+0000 rogerio_ (rogerio_) is now online 2011-05-29 19:25:06+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-29 19:25:34+0000 <dachary> bake 2011-05-29 20:04:43+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-05-29 20:05:05+0000 <blanchard> test 2011-05-29 20:46:45+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: Hi 2011-05-29 20:46:45+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: are you there? 2011-05-29 20:47:22+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: I have some doubts about the bug #16 2011-05-29 20:48:16+0000 <rogerio_> Xavier have fixed this one using preload images library 2011-05-29 20:48:34+0000 <rogerio_> but he also said it was a wrong aproach 2011-05-29 20:49:05+0000 <rogerio_> look his comment: 2011-05-29 20:49:09+0000 <rogerio_> "Wrong approach - would need to concatenate the different variants of the button together in one image, and display the right part of the image depending on the button state." 2011-05-29 20:49:15+0000 <rogerio_> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/16 2011-05-29 20:49:43+0000 <rogerio_> can you help me understand better? 2011-05-29 21:35:11+0000 <dachary> hi 2011-05-29 21:38:50+0000 <dachary> rogerio_: what exactly do you not understand ? 2011-05-29 22:18:26+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: I'm sorry, I did not see your respose 2011-05-29 22:18:30+0000 <rogerio_> are you still there? 2011-05-29 22:19:17+0000 <rogerio_> about display parts of an image, what is this? 2011-05-29 22:19:55+0000 <rogerio_> concatenation of different variants of a button, what means that? 2011-05-29 22:25:32+0000 <dachary> I'm here 2011-05-29 22:26:31+0000 <dachary> rogerio_: it's a common technique where you store the hover image and the regular image in the same file and use CSS to display part of it depending on wether you're hovering or not 2011-05-29 22:33:34+0000 <rogerio_> ok, so in this task I have to convert all files images (off, on, over, etc) in one image, am I right? 2011-05-29 22:35:13+0000 <rogerio_> because I think all images in cardstories are kept separated, for example the last task I tackle: bno_off.png, bno_over.png 2011-05-29 22:35:22+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: ping 2011-05-29 22:36:12+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: so, do I have to make these convertions? 2011-05-29 22:36:18+0000 <dachary> yes, I think that's the idea. 2011-05-29 22:36:43+0000 <dachary> You can try with one image + CSS and check with antoviaque to see if that's what he needs. 2011-05-29 22:37:04+0000 <rogerio_> ok, I'll do that 2011-05-29 22:37:10+0000 <rogerio_> thanks a lot dachary 2011-05-29 22:37:33+0000 <rogerio_> I have one more question, if you can help me, please 2011-05-29 22:37:40+0000 <dachary> rogerio_: you're welcome. I think there are tools to help you do that with multiple images but I don't remember their names from the top of my head. 2011-05-29 22:38:04+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: thanks 2011-05-29 22:38:17+0000 <rogerio_> about the Feature #4 2011-05-29 22:38:22+0000 <rogerio_> I took this one 2011-05-29 22:38:26+0000 <rogerio_> "Setup symfony to dynamically add OpenGraph headers to served pages" 2011-05-29 22:39:19+0000 <rogerio_> I sincerelly didn't understand nothing about this task 2011-05-29 22:39:55+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-05-29 22:39:55+0000 <rogerio_> Symfony, OpenGrapth, I don't know what is this 2011-05-29 22:40:24+0000 <rogerio_> searching on google I found Synfony framework (PHP) 2011-05-29 22:40:52+0000 <rogerio_> I really don't understand the relation of this framework with cardstories 2011-05-29 22:42:08+0000 <rogerio_> dachary: I'm wondering, maybe you could help on that, please 2011-05-29 22:44:49+0000 <dachary> rogerio_: it's a completly different matter. cardstories will be embeded in a merchant site where you would be able to buy things related to cardstories. This site would use symphony 2011-05-29 22:44:54+0000 <dachary> symfony 2011-05-29 22:45:29+0000 <rogerio_> hmm, ok 2011-05-29 22:45:48+0000 <rogerio_> so, what I have to do in this task? 2011-05-29 22:47:32+0000 <dachary> If that's not clear I suggest you talk to antoviaque when you get a chance. 2011-05-29 22:48:00+0000 <rogerio_> ok, thanks dachary
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