Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-05-30.
2011-05-30 03:03:44+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-30 11:54:43+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-05-30 12:08:32+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-30 12:08:34+0000 <romulo> good morning =] 2011-05-30 12:08:41+0000 <romulo> blanchard, ping 2011-05-30 12:09:41+0000 <blanchard> romulo: hi there 2011-05-30 12:10:02+0000 <romulo> how are you? 2011-05-30 12:10:34+0000 <blanchard> all good thx and you ? 2011-05-30 12:12:21+0000 <blanchard> bbl (an hour or so) 2011-05-30 12:12:39+0000 <romulo> good too 2011-05-30 12:12:42+0000 <romulo> need to talk about the contract 2011-05-30 12:13:01+0000 <blanchard> ok i need to leave no but i'll be back in a bit 2011-05-30 12:13:04+0000 <blanchard> now 2011-05-30 12:13:08+0000 <blanchard> not no 2011-05-30 12:13:47+0000 <blanchard> you can either send me a mail or we can talk here later as you prefer 2011-05-30 12:14:03+0000 <romulo> i'll wait 2011-05-30 12:14:14+0000 <blanchard> ok ttyl :) 2011-05-30 12:14:36+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-05-30 12:16:22+0000 <romulo> bbs, going to uni 2011-05-30 12:27:13+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-30 12:40:28+0000 <dachary> hey 2011-05-30 13:05:52+0000 <antoviaque> hello 2011-05-30 13:25:33+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: enjoying your mondend ? 2011-05-30 13:25:47+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, yep 2011-05-30 13:25:53+0000 <antoviaque> matti is there 2011-05-30 13:25:57+0000 <dachary> hi matti 2011-05-30 13:26:02+0000 <antoviaque> and I'm watching the pilot of sanctuary ;p 2011-05-30 13:26:15+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-05-30 13:26:18+0000 <antoviaque> matti says hi to you : ) 2011-05-30 13:26:19+0000 <dachary> kitchoune 2011-05-30 13:27:09+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz if you know people in need of an appartment for a short stay in paris, I'm renting from july to december http://www.airbnb.com/rooms/87590 2011-05-30 13:28:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ohh!! I'm going to spread around! 2011-05-30 13:28:40+0000 <tartarugafeliz> love your apartment, wish I could live there. hahahaha 2011-05-30 13:29:12+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: shared ;p 2011-05-30 13:29:55+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: thanks ! 2011-05-30 13:32:45+0000 <dachary> blanchard: f you know people in need of an appartment for a short stay in paris, I'm renting from july to december http://www.airbnb.com/rooms/87590 2011-05-30 13:32:51+0000 * dachary spamming like a pig 2011-05-30 13:45:41+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-30 13:45:44+0000 <romulo> hi there 2011-05-30 13:50:28+0000 <arbrandes> Nice apartment, dachary 2011-05-30 13:50:39+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: thank you sir 2011-05-30 13:50:46+0000 <dachary> romulo: hi rolumo 2011-05-30 13:50:48+0000 <arbrandes> Ok if I share it on Facebook? 2011-05-30 13:51:11+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: sure 2011-05-30 14:05:08+0000 <blanchard> romulo: i'm around for a little time - you wanted to discuss the contract ? 2011-05-30 14:08:56+0000 <romulo> hi dachary 2011-05-30 14:09:01+0000 <romulo> blanchard, yes sure 2011-05-30 14:09:09+0000 <romulo> one second, opening the file 2011-05-30 14:10:19+0000 <romulo> Any delay in delivery, that is to say, the non-conforming completion of the Task, will give rise to a financial penalty of an amount equal to the price of this Task, unless expressly agreed upon by the Parties. However, when an Order requires more than one working day to be completed by the Provider, an extension may be granted by the Client at his discretion. -> I dont get this exactly 2011-05-30 14:10:32+0000 <romulo> also, isnt half time 290 and full time 230? 2011-05-30 14:14:07+0000 <dachary> blanchard: I have the contract signed in my bag. Please ask me the next time we meet, I may forget ;-) 2011-05-30 14:14:38+0000 <romulo> dachary, i have the patch merged with your latest code. Its composed by many separated commits, do you want me to merge them all in a single commit? 2011-05-30 14:14:45+0000 <blanchard> romulo: the article 2 that you mention : it's for the case when farsides contracts someone for a task but the work is either not done at all, or done in a bad way and not corrected, or when there is no follow-up. It's a way for farsides to avoid paying something that is not done the right way 2011-05-30 14:15:24+0000 <romulo> blanchard, hmm but the "financial penalty" means the person has to pay anything back or wont just receive the payment? 2011-05-30 14:15:40+0000 <blanchard> in most cases, if you take more time than expected, there is no penalty if you can justify and if you discuss it upfront with xavier or i, as you saw until now 2011-05-30 14:16:11+0000 <blanchard> i don't expect the contractor to pay the studio money, no 2011-05-30 14:16:59+0000 <blanchard> but for instance if he commited for four tasks and disappeared after the third, then the worst case scenario is that he'll be paid two 2011-05-30 14:17:36+0000 <blanchard> that is to say if there is no attempt from the contractor to find a reasonable solution in case he can't do the fourth 2011-05-30 14:18:01+0000 <blanchard> regarding the salary, i just used the log from the chat you had with Xavier : 2011-05-30 14:18:19+0000 <blanchard> The base we do in France is around 200-250 euros/day depending on the number of days taken in the month. 2011-05-09 23:34:09+0000 <antoviaque> http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=France&country2=Brazil&city1=Paris&city2=Belo+Horizonte shows that Belo Horizonte is at about half of the price of cost of life, so it would give 250/2 euros = 290 reais for one day, and 200/2= 230 reais/day for a few days in the month 2011- 2011-05-30 14:18:43+0000 <blanchard> is it correct ? 2011-05-30 14:18:45+0000 <romulo> blanchard, i remember that log, maybe im thinking in the wrong way about it 2011-05-30 14:18:58+0000 <romulo> it means i get paid 230 for each 4 hours (my actual working day) or for 8? 2011-05-30 14:19:24+0000 <blanchard> it's for a working day => 8 hours 2011-05-30 14:20:12+0000 * romulo thinking 2011-05-30 14:20:25+0000 <blanchard> you had not understood it this way ? 2011-05-30 14:20:36+0000 <romulo> i did, then later i got confused 2011-05-30 14:20:59+0000 <romulo> i had read about the daily production payments on the HR groups i guess 2011-05-30 14:21:40+0000 <romulo> one second, let me find what i have read 2011-05-30 14:22:07+0000 <blanchard> dachary: i will remind you no worry :) 2011-05-30 14:25:38+0000 <romulo> blanchard, http://farsides.com/blog/members/blanchard/activity/697/ -> If i understood correctly, when you work on a half day, it needs to be more to try compensate the working days of full time? 2011-05-30 14:25:49+0000 <romulo> since for half time 22 days -> 11 2011-05-30 14:27:00+0000 <blanchard> yes correct, the idea is that the price per day is higher if you do 11 days than if you do 22 2011-05-30 14:27:15+0000 <romulo> hmm im lost then :P 2011-05-30 14:27:25+0000 <blanchard> but the actual figures in the link you give are just to give an example 2011-05-30 14:27:43+0000 <romulo> yeah sure. I'm just pointing out the "heuristic" 2011-05-30 14:29:11+0000 <blanchard> the real figures are based on the discussion between farsides and each person : and when Xavier asked you in the chat if a few days per month 230 was ok, then i thought you had a half time in mind not a full time, that's why i took the reference of 230 for half time 2011-05-30 14:29:34+0000 <romulo> well, ok then. We discussed and thats what we are going to do 2011-05-30 14:29:34+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-05-30 14:29:38+0000 <romulo> i just got lost later =P 2011-05-30 14:29:47+0000 <blanchard> but tell me what loses you please :) 2011-05-30 14:29:59+0000 rogerio (rogerio) is now online 2011-05-30 14:30:00+0000 <blanchard> i'm there to avoid you being lost ;) 2011-05-30 14:30:08+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: Hi, 2011-05-30 14:30:15+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: how are you? 2011-05-30 14:31:49+0000 <blanchard> romulo: 2011-05-30 14:33:42+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: I have questions/doubts on Bug #16 and Feature #4 2011-05-30 14:33:58+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: about Bug #16 first 2011-05-30 14:34:07+0000 <blanchard> romulo: i need to go unfortunately but we should continue this discussion later if some things are unclear or if you don't feel comfortable 2011-05-30 14:34:19+0000 <blanchard> it's important that you do 2011-05-30 14:34:22+0000 <antoviaque> hello 2011-05-30 14:34:27+0000 * antoviaque reading the backlog 2011-05-30 14:34:30+0000 <rogerio> I was just talking with dachary yesterday about this task 2011-05-30 14:35:01+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: and he told that you could help me understand what I have to do 2011-05-30 14:35:28+0000 <romulo> dachary, ping 2011-05-30 14:35:38+0000 <blanchard> also, bear in mind that this contract is temporary, until we move on to a recurring contractor status for you if all goes well. Then we will define precisely the number of days per month and the price per day 2011-05-30 14:36:00+0000 <blanchard> bbl 2011-05-30 14:36:18+0000 <romulo> blanchard, ok =] 2011-05-30 14:36:24+0000 <romulo> blanchard, ill talk to you later, have to ask other things 2011-05-30 14:36:25+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-05-30 14:37:03+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: do I have to convert all images? the "off", "on" and "over" images in one single image? 2011-05-30 14:37:23+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: looking a bug 16 2011-05-30 14:37:58+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: yep 2011-05-30 14:38:20+0000 <antoviaque> this way all the images are loaded from a single file for each button 2011-05-30 14:38:35+0000 <rogerio> I understand 2011-05-30 14:38:44+0000 <antoviaque> and when it's loaded all the variants are loaded too, which will remove the display delay when the mouse gets over it for example 2011-05-30 14:38:54+0000 <rogerio> so, I'll look for a software that do this, the conversion 2011-05-30 14:39:10+0000 <rogerio> ok, I understand 2011-05-30 14:39:12+0000 <antoviaque> gimp is perfect for this, there is even a plugin that automates it 2011-05-30 14:39:34+0000 <rogerio> hmm, I didn't know it, thanks for the tip 2011-05-30 14:39:38+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-05-30 14:39:44+0000 <dachary> romulo: pong 2011-05-30 14:39:57+0000 <rogerio> another question is about the Feature #4 2011-05-30 14:40:09+0000 <rogerio> I didn't understand what I have to do on this task 2011-05-30 14:40:17+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-05-30 14:40:20+0000 <rogerio> I really dont know symfony 2011-05-30 14:40:32+0000 <rogerio> OpenGraph, what is this? 2011-05-30 14:40:47+0000 <romulo> <romulo> dachary, i have the patch merged with your latest code. Its composed by many separated commits, do you want me to merge them all in a single commit? 2011-05-30 14:40:50+0000 <antoviaque> ah - if you don't know wymfony, this one could prove tricky 2011-05-30 14:40:55+0000 <rogerio> I know that symfony is a PHP framework only 2011-05-30 14:41:02+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-05-30 14:41:13+0000 <rogerio> hmm 2011-05-30 14:41:36+0000 <dachary> romulo: I don't mind the separated commits as long as they are in a single branch ( as shown with gitk for instance ) 2011-05-30 14:41:38+0000 <antoviaque> so you may want to increase a bit the estimate to handle the learning you'll have to do on that one 2011-05-30 14:41:48+0000 <antoviaque> basically 2011-05-30 14:41:51+0000 <rogerio> Yesterday I finished other task, #12 2011-05-30 14:42:18+0000 <antoviaque> it's about using the "Like" button to share a game URL on Facebook 2011-05-30 14:42:26+0000 <rogerio> so, do you suggest me to assign me off from Feature #4? 2011-05-30 14:42:36+0000 <rogerio> ok, I understand 2011-05-30 14:42:37+0000 <antoviaque> cf http://developers.facebook.com/docs/opengraph/ 2011-05-30 14:42:54+0000 <antoviaque> The issue is that right now there is no proper page to point to for Facebook 2011-05-30 14:43:06+0000 <antoviaque> since it's only a pure js client that calls a webservice 2011-05-30 14:43:18+0000 <antoviaque> facebook won't call a webservice, it will want to retreive an HTML page 2011-05-30 14:43:56+0000 <rogerio> hmm 2011-05-30 14:44:08+0000 <antoviaque> So here, it's about serving HTML pages, which contain the right open graph protocol information when facebook will retreive it 2011-05-30 14:44:37+0000 <antoviaque> symfony will acts as a kind of a proxy between the webservice and facebook, if you want 2011-05-30 14:44:54+0000 <romulo> dachary, in gitk how do i see if things are in a single branch? 2011-05-30 14:45:00+0000 <rogerio> ok 2011-05-30 14:45:12+0000 <rogerio> thanks for the explanation Xavier 2011-05-30 14:45:14+0000 <dachary> romulo: the line to the left does not branch out ;-) 2011-05-30 14:45:42+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: np 2011-05-30 14:45:48+0000 <romulo> dachary, so yes, since the last pull, its a single branch :P 2011-05-30 14:45:53+0000 <antoviaque> as I said, if you want to revise the estimation, we can 2011-05-30 14:45:57+0000 <antoviaque> I thought you knew symfony 2011-05-30 14:46:21+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo : ) 2011-05-30 14:46:25+0000 <antoviaque> everything going alright? 2011-05-30 14:46:25+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, hi there =] 2011-05-30 14:46:27+0000 <rogerio> ok, no problem for me, I'll tell you about it 2011-05-30 14:46:35+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, i guess so. I just got confused on the payment stuff =P 2011-05-30 14:46:35+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: ok perfect! 2011-05-30 14:46:42+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: all good otherwise? 2011-05-30 14:46:54+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: what are you confused about? maybe I can help 2011-05-30 14:46:55+0000 <rogerio> yesterday I was trying to work on the task of Play Again on lobby 2011-05-30 14:47:14+0000 <rogerio> the problem is to retrieve the players emails 2011-05-30 14:47:26+0000 <rogerio> so I was reading code a lot yesterday 2011-05-30 14:47:39+0000 <rogerio> and finding a way to take the emails addresses 2011-05-30 14:47:44+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep, tricky part, romulo went through that too : ) 2011-05-30 14:47:49+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, i though that when you said "230 for fewer days" it meant 230 each day (4 hrs), instead of a working day -> 8 hrs. But maybe i just confused over time. Im trying to reach the backlog 2011-05-30 14:47:57+0000 <rogerio> yes, but for me is a little bit different 2011-05-30 14:48:16+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: hmm, let me convert *always confused with numbers* 2011-05-30 14:48:39+0000 <rogerio> all request pass through handle method of site.py module 2011-05-30 14:50:20+0000 <rogerio> and I think I have to make a treatment on that method to call auth.py functions 2011-05-30 14:51:01+0000 <rogerio> I'm afraid to do something wrong using this approach 2011-05-30 14:51:28+0000 <rogerio> but I'll do this and attach a patch for dachary make a review 2011-05-30 14:52:13+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: finished converting : ) 230 reais for half a day in Belo Horizonte would be the equivalent of paying 370 euros/day in Paris, which would be a high price - I think 230 was for the day no? 2011-05-30 14:52:41+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, i guess it was 2011-05-30 14:52:53+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, what got me confused was that 230 -> 2 days, since its a 4 hrs/day 2011-05-30 14:53:05+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-05-30 14:53:33+0000 <antoviaque> if you find anything different in the chat logs, let me know, maybe I'm wrong - but it's probably that yep 2011-05-30 14:53:44+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, nah you are not wrong 2011-05-30 14:53:52+0000 <romulo> its ok =] 2011-05-30 14:54:00+0000 <antoviaque> that's why contract are useful - at least they force to make sure there is nothing that we are missing 2011-05-30 14:54:35+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: ok : ) 2011-05-30 14:55:00+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: I've not worked a lot on the webservice yet, so yep probably only dachary can answer you 2011-05-30 14:55:47+0000 <antoviaque> but dachary mentionned a plugin system - let me see which was the ticket 2011-05-30 14:56:25+0000 <antoviaque> yep it's here: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/63 2011-05-30 14:56:31+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: no problem, thanks, I'll talk to him 2011-05-30 14:56:33+0000 <antoviaque> maybe this could help you rogerio 2011-05-30 14:56:49+0000 <rogerio> let me see 2011-05-30 14:57:12+0000 <romulo> dachary, i exported my changes using git format-patch origin --binary --stdout > /home/romulo/final_notifier.patch <- is that ok? I uploaded the new patch to http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/47 2011-05-30 15:02:22+0000 <dachary> romulo: the patch looks well formed to me 2011-05-30 15:02:30+0000 <antoviaque> btw I'll do a pass on all the open tickets tomorrow, so if there is something you need to update it's the right time for this : ) 2011-05-30 15:02:42+0000 <romulo> dachary, ok, will mark as ready to review and we fix whatever needs fixing later 2011-05-30 15:04:25+0000 <dachary> romulo: I would very much like your input on the plugin infrastructure described at http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/63 . I believe it will fit with what you're doing. Let me know what you think. 2011-05-30 15:04:50+0000 <romulo> dachary, i will, as soon as i have time today 2011-05-30 15:04:55+0000 <romulo> maybe at night =] 2011-05-30 15:05:04+0000 <dachary> romulo: I will not be working today though and my review of your patch will have to wait. 2011-05-30 15:05:14+0000 <romulo> dachary, no problem 2011-05-30 15:05:15+0000 <romulo> no hurries 2011-05-30 15:05:18+0000 <dachary> good :-) 2011-05-30 15:05:32+0000 <dachary> thanks in advance for the time you will take to read #63 2011-05-30 15:05:39+0000 <romulo> dachary, you welcome 2011-05-30 15:06:20+0000 <romulo> dachary, marked as ready to review, do i need to assign it to you also? 2011-05-30 15:06:48+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: nope, the ticket remains assigned to the one who does it now : ) 2011-05-30 15:07:00+0000 <antoviaque> unless you want dachary to be paid for your work of course ;p 2011-05-30 15:07:15+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, sure! NOT. 2011-05-30 15:07:20+0000 <antoviaque> I'm sure he would be glad ahahah 2011-05-30 15:07:22+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-05-30 15:09:12+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: btw how much time did you spent on the emails patch at the end? 2011-05-30 15:09:43+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, much more than i expected. Do i need to count the days i worked on my own (like weekends, and the days i spent doing patch reviews)? 2011-05-30 15:10:18+0000 <antoviaque> yep, is it really off the last estimate? 2011-05-30 15:10:59+0000 <romulo> if we count weekend, its one extra day. 2011-05-30 15:11:43+0000 <antoviaque> and did you finish everything? the tests also? or do you expect more work? 2011-05-30 15:15:17+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, its ready for review now 2011-05-30 15:15:37+0000 <romulo> it is missing two cases, but i plan to add that later, one is publish, that lacks the mockup and the other is attention 2011-05-30 15:16:00+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, but i will add that later, no problem, not counting hours 2011-05-30 15:17:42+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-05-30 15:18:41+0000 <antoviaque> and, to see if we reevaluate again, what caused the extra day? 2011-05-30 15:20:13+0000 <antoviaque> the architecture work to make it pollable? 2011-05-30 15:20:26+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: ^ 2011-05-30 15:27:54+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, integrating into the new services.py (changing code), correcting the test cases 2011-05-30 15:28:01+0000 <romulo> extra day i meant -> 4 hrs 2011-05-30 15:29:10+0000 <dachary> bbl 2011-05-30 15:39:47+0000 <antoviaque> yep, it makes sense - ok then, I'll add the 4 hours 2011-05-30 15:40:30+0000 <antoviaque> done 2011-05-30 16:00:56+0000 <romulo> ok bbl 2011-05-30 18:22:53+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-30 18:23:49+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ping 2011-05-30 18:24:04+0000 <romulo> probably #66 will be closed after my patch 2011-05-30 18:37:41+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ping me wheny ou come back 2011-05-30 19:03:49+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-05-30 19:11:32+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-05-30 19:28:46+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-05-30 20:30:54+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-05-30 20:32:50+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ping =D 2011-05-30 20:37:11+0000 romulo_ (romulo_) is now online 2011-05-30 22:15:22+0000 rogerio_ (rogerio_) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
