Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-03.
2011-06-03 02:12:19+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-03 02:12:22+0000 <romulo> morning =D 2011-06-03 02:21:44+0000 romulo (romulo) is now offline 2011-06-03 02:21:49+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-03 05:51:32+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-03 06:05:44+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-03 06:40:56+0000 <dachary> eve_: hi 2011-06-03 06:40:56+0000 <eve> heya 2011-06-03 06:41:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you're up early today 2011-06-03 07:19:27+0000 <antoviaque> hello : ) 2011-06-03 07:20:12+0000 <antoviaque> yup, I woke up a bit earlier today - I usually start the day with a good hour of house clean up and dishes ;p 2011-06-03 07:25:58+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: you've seen the ticket for the button - I've also updated the requirements with the instructions for jslint: http://farsides.com/wiki/Requirements_and_deliverables_for_patch_submission#Checklist_before_submitting_for_review 2011-06-03 07:28:04+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-03 07:28:22+0000 <dachary> ;-) 2011-06-03 07:30:15+0000 <antoviaque> btw Deborah asked to work on Sunday this week - so you'd likely get the button that day 2011-06-03 07:31:27+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-03 07:32:06+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ok 2011-06-03 07:32:31+0000 <dachary> I'm fighting against what looks like a race condition in the deletion of the game 2011-06-03 07:32:53+0000 <dachary> it shows up often enough in the solo mode implementation 2011-06-03 07:33:00+0000 <dachary> 1 times out of 10 2011-06-03 07:33:06+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-06-03 07:33:26+0000 <dachary> there I have one 2011-06-03 07:33:32+0000 <dachary> with lots of tracebacks 2011-06-03 07:33:39+0000 * dachary hunting 2011-06-03 07:37:05+0000 <antoviaque> good hunting : ) 2011-06-03 07:40:31+0000 <antoviaque> if anyone has comments about http://farsides.com/wiki/Card_Stories_Playtest_Protocol it's the right moment, I'm starting to create the surveys 2011-06-03 07:42:02+0000 <dachary> got it 2011-06-03 07:42:10+0000 <dachary> it's a tough one to kill 2011-06-03 07:42:24+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: can I come over ? 2011-06-03 07:47:45+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: of course : ) 2011-06-03 07:47:49+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-03 07:48:09+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ok, on my way 2011-06-03 08:13:52+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-03 08:18:25+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: for the sake of getting used to the (beloved) workflow, I created http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/79 2011-06-03 08:19:35+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I supposed you are the one to approve for the number of hours I assigned to the ticket, am I correct ? 2011-06-03 08:19:54+0000 * dachary lost the workflow(TM) URL explaining it all. I lost the tables of the law ! 2011-06-03 08:20:39+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yep, done : ) 2011-06-03 08:21:29+0000 <antoviaque> there is no real URL with the explanation so far, just a quick post on the buddypress 2011-06-03 08:33:04+0000 <dachary> result = yield self.touch(type = 'participate', player_id = player_id) 2011-06-03 08:33:04+0000 <dachary> defer.returnValue(result) 2011-06-03 08:33:06+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ^ 2011-06-03 08:33:21+0000 <dachary> which is strictly equivalent to 2011-06-03 08:33:23+0000 <dachary> return self.touch(type = 'participate', player_id = player_id) 2011-06-03 08:33:39+0000 <dachary> it's the daily WTF 2011-06-03 08:33:41+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-06-03 08:57:13+0000 <da> antoviaque: on gitorious used as file repo : I'd like to push a single file without cloning the whole branch on my pc, can i do that ? 2011-06-03 09:09:37+0000 <da> antoviaque: ? 2011-06-03 09:17:21+0000 <antoviaque> da: nope 2011-06-03 09:17:29+0000 <antoviaque> the principle is to clone it on each computer : ) 2011-06-03 09:17:45+0000 <antoviaque> you can have a look at http://sparkleshare.org/ btw 2011-06-03 09:17:49+0000 <da> i did 2011-06-03 09:18:01+0000 <da> but there is no download on their site 2011-06-03 09:18:23+0000 <antoviaque> yup, the soft is at an early stage 2011-06-03 09:18:35+0000 <da> you have to add some repo 2011-06-03 09:18:38+0000 <antoviaque> see http://www.webupd8.org/2011/03/install-sparkleshare-in-ubuntu-via-ppa.html 2011-06-03 09:18:43+0000 <da> i'm still fighting with that 2011-06-03 09:18:57+0000 <antoviaque> the main difference with the instructions you'll find there 2011-06-03 09:19:04+0000 <antoviaque> is that you need to compile from source 2011-06-03 09:19:11+0000 <antoviaque> forget the ppa they talk about 2011-06-03 09:19:21+0000 <antoviaque> cf https://github.com/hbons/SparkleShare#readme for the source 2011-06-03 09:20:45+0000 <antoviaque> ah and also that it's gitorious instead of github, but it's the same thing 2011-06-03 09:23:05+0000 <da> i have to do apt-get source https://github.com/hbons/SparkleShare.git ? 2011-06-03 09:23:13+0000 <da> and then build 2011-06-03 09:23:15+0000 <da> ? 2011-06-03 09:23:24+0000 <antoviaque> you have release packages 2011-06-03 09:23:35+0000 <antoviaque> ("Downloads" button) 2011-06-03 09:23:45+0000 <antoviaque> sparkleshare-0.2-rc1.tar.gz 2011-06-03 09:24:04+0000 <antoviaque> for dependencies they are listed below on the same page 2011-06-03 09:24:12+0000 <antoviaque> sudo apt-get install gtk-sharp2 mono-runtime mono-devel monodevelop \ 2011-06-03 09:24:12+0000 <antoviaque> libndesk-dbus1.0-cil-dev nant libnotify-cil-dev libgtk2.0-cil-dev \ 2011-06-03 09:24:12+0000 <antoviaque> libwebkit-cil-dev intltool libtool python-nautilus libndesk-dbus-glib1.0-cil-dev 2011-06-03 09:24:29+0000 <da> the debian ones ? 2011-06-03 09:24:34+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-03 09:24:40+0000 <antoviaque> debian = ubuntu in most cases 2011-06-03 09:24:44+0000 <da> ok 2011-06-03 09:25:32+0000 <antoviaque> ah and also 2011-06-03 09:25:45+0000 <da> apt-get build machin.tar.gz ? 2011-06-03 09:25:57+0000 <antoviaque> I'll need to add your gitorious account to the farsides group there, so that you can access the repo 2011-06-03 09:26:01+0000 <antoviaque> nope 2011-06-03 09:26:23+0000 <antoviaque> you have the build instructions in the readme (read the whole page) 2011-06-03 09:28:11+0000 <antoviaque> the repo on gitorious is farsides/farsides 2011-06-03 09:28:59+0000 <da> build instructions : they say ./configure, i don't get where this comes from once i have the truc.tar.gz 2011-06-03 09:29:15+0000 <antoviaque> you have to untar the archive 2011-06-03 09:29:26+0000 <antoviaque> never compiled anything from source? good tryout then : ) 2011-06-03 09:29:46+0000 <da> no nver 2011-06-03 09:29:50+0000 <antoviaque> tar xvzf toto.tgz 2011-06-03 09:29:51+0000 <da> my first time 2011-06-03 09:29:55+0000 <da> too many first times 2011-06-03 09:30:12+0000 <antoviaque> ah, virgin times... :P 2011-06-03 09:30:19+0000 <da> my morning : 1/2h to update the business plan, 2 hours to try to update it on buddypress :p 2011-06-03 09:30:27+0000 <da> too old to be a virgin 2011-06-03 09:30:52+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-03 09:51:51+0000 <da> antoviaque: sparkleshare is installed and works, but i tried to upload a file and he can't sync 2011-06-03 10:06:56+0000 <antoviaque> fixed - was a rights issue 2011-06-03 10:08:24+0000 <antoviaque> very cool to test - opening a file with libreoffice, saving it, having it updated on gitorious & da's computer : ) 2011-06-03 10:20:29+0000 <da> antoviaque: there are some error messages on buddypress when i write a new post 2011-06-03 10:20:48+0000 <da> where can i copy paste it for you to have a look ? 2011-06-03 10:21:09+0000 <antoviaque> da: In a ticket would be perfect 2011-06-03 10:23:20+0000 <da> done http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/80 2011-06-03 10:33:20+0000 <da> dachary: do you have the contract with you ? 2011-06-03 10:34:50+0000 <antoviaque> da: thanks for the ticket : ) 2011-06-03 10:42:36+0000 <dachary> da yes 2011-06-03 10:43:13+0000 <da> signature's time whenever you want dachary 2011-06-03 12:40:08+0000 <antoviaque> Iâve created the two surveys for the playtests: 2011-06-03 12:40:08+0000 <antoviaque> * One to fill by the playtest organiser: http://farsides.com/stats/survey/index.php?sid=34255&newtest=Y&lang=en 2011-06-03 12:40:08+0000 <antoviaque> * One to fill by each of the playtesters: http://farsides.com/stats/survey/index.php?sid=47236&newtest=Y&lang=en 2011-06-03 12:40:18+0000 <antoviaque> remarks welcome : ) 2011-06-03 13:08:34+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-03 13:19:52+0000 <romulo> dachary, ping 2011-06-03 13:20:37+0000 <romulo> dachary, http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/47#note-23 : "This misuse of the returnValue must be fixed. It's either useless or a bug." my python-coverage does not output the same as yours. 2011-06-03 13:26:07+0000 <dachary> romulo: what is your coverage ? 2011-06-03 13:26:38+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo : ) 2011-06-03 13:35:15+0000 <romulo> romulo@mirach:~/cardstories$ python-coverage --version 2011-06-03 13:35:15+0000 <romulo> Coverage.py, version 3.2. http://nedbatchelder.com/code/coverage 2011-06-03 13:35:18+0000 <romulo> hi there antoviaque 2011-06-03 13:55:33+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I can't access http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/ 2011-06-03 13:55:39+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah yes 2011-06-03 13:55:42+0000 <antoviaque> I blocked it 2011-06-03 13:56:10+0000 <antoviaque> to start using the other forums - you can post in code instead 2011-06-03 13:56:48+0000 <dachary> expand(post in code) antoviaque ? 2011-06-03 13:56:51+0000 <antoviaque> posted an ad for play testing on jv.com: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-3-11035159-1-0-1-0-playtest-jeu-de-cartes-en-ligne.htm 2011-06-03 13:57:26+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/blog/groups/code/ 2011-06-03 14:12:38+0000 <dachary> romulo, you did a cherry-pick instead of rebase ? fixes #58 Results page: Winner appears in the wrong block is 409a2dbafa12dc90272c6765d0f7c1c5932aa901 in your git. But it is 3f3f861d24af0247153418c0d62ea6bf8fe07f29 which leads me to think that you tried cherry-pick. 2011-06-03 14:14:53+0000 <romulo> dachary, what i pushed to my git repository was just a fix to #68, im still going to merge and squash other commits for #47 later. But i had to rename a commit yesterday (to include closes #68) and then that might caused the sha1 change 2011-06-03 14:15:30+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-06-03 14:31:14+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-03 14:47:00+0000 <romulo> dachary, you edited my comment on #68? 2011-06-03 14:50:08+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ping 2011-06-03 14:50:31+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: yup? 2011-06-03 14:50:39+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, pm'd you 2011-06-03 14:55:58+0000 <blanchard> romulo: hi, http://farsides.com/blog/members/blanchard/activity/806/ 2011-06-03 14:56:35+0000 <blanchard> i have a meeting at the bank tomorrow so if you can have the info by then it would be perfect 2011-06-03 14:56:59+0000 <romulo> blanchard, will try to get them today 2011-06-03 14:57:11+0000 <blanchard> cool 2011-06-03 15:02:54+0000 <dachary> romulo: I don't think so 2011-06-03 15:03:54+0000 <dachary> romulo: oh, yes I did. Sorry for the mistake :-( I thought I was creating a new comment. 2011-06-03 15:04:12+0000 <dachary> this is confusing. I will be more careful the next time. 2011-06-03 15:04:29+0000 <dachary> And there is no way to retrieve your comment. 2011-06-03 15:06:13+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: trying to install sparkleshare on my desktop pc. When i do ./configure in the directory, i get a 'no such file or directory' 2011-06-03 15:06:44+0000 <blanchard> though it seems that i did exactly the same thing this morning on my laptop and it worked 2011-06-03 15:06:52+0000 <blanchard> strange. Any idea ? 2011-06-03 15:06:52+0000 <antoviaque> did you download the release files (from the download tab)? 2011-06-03 15:06:58+0000 <blanchard> yep 2011-06-03 15:07:45+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-06-03 15:08:17+0000 <antoviaque> this one? https://github.com/downloads/hbons/SparkleShare/sparkleshare-0.2-rc1.tar.gz 2011-06-03 15:08:39+0000 <blanchard> oups 2011-06-03 15:08:41+0000 <blanchard> no 2011-06-03 15:08:43+0000 <blanchard> sorry 2011-06-03 15:09:04+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-03 15:09:12+0000 <blanchard> i have an hbons-Sparkleshare..., don't know why but i did not have the right one 2011-06-03 15:09:18+0000 <blanchard> thanks 2011-06-03 15:09:23+0000 <antoviaque> np 2011-06-03 15:12:30+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: I've tried to compile jscoverage and I didn't get jslint either - not sure why 2011-06-03 15:12:46+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: are the instructions on http://farsides.com/wiki/Requirements_and_deliverables_for_patch_submission complete or did I forget something? 2011-06-03 15:13:21+0000 <antoviaque> it worked when I did it sometimes ago, but either the package changed or I forgot a step 2011-06-03 15:15:17+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you could add "Bear in mind that using cherry-pick will rename the commit: it cannot be used as a replacement of rebase" 2011-06-03 15:15:25+0000 <dachary> other than this, it's good to me ;-) 2011-06-03 15:16:34+0000 <antoviaque> but rebase can also have this effect, no? 2011-06-03 15:16:56+0000 <antoviaque> especially if you have to fix a conflict... 2011-06-03 15:20:41+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: what about the jslint install commands? 2011-06-03 15:20:43+0000 <antoviaque> cf 2011-06-03 15:20:51+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: I've tried to compile jscoverage and I didn't get jslint either - not sure why 2011-06-03 15:21:11+0000 <antoviaque> $ ~/dl/jscoverage-0.5$ find -name jslint 2011-06-03 15:21:11+0000 <antoviaque> $ 2011-06-03 15:30:36+0000 <dachary> dget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jscoverage/jscoverage_0.3.1-1.dsc 2011-06-03 15:30:42+0000 <dachary> instead of apt-get source 2011-06-03 15:31:00+0000 <dachary> jslint has apparently been removed from the upstream sources in the most recent version 2011-06-03 15:35:33+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: thanks, it works : ) 2011-06-03 15:35:41+0000 <antoviaque> updating the requirements page 2011-06-03 15:35:52+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: thanks for noticing this 2011-06-03 15:37:09+0000 <antoviaque> done 2011-06-03 15:42:25+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: (02:40:09 PM) antoviaque: Iâve created the two surveys for the playtests: 2011-06-03 15:42:25+0000 <antoviaque> (02:40:09 PM) antoviaque: * One to fill by the playtest organiser: http://farsides.com/stats/survey/index.php?sid=34255&newtest=Y&lang=en 2011-06-03 15:42:25+0000 <antoviaque> (02:40:09 PM) antoviaque: * One to fill by each of the playtesters: http://farsides.com/stats/survey/index.php?sid=47236&newtest=Y&lang=en 2011-06-03 15:45:43+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: what are the playtest dates available ? 2011-06-03 15:45:58+0000 <dachary> I don't know the name of the organizer of the playtest 2011-06-03 15:48:26+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: do you already have a date planed for the first playtest ? 2011-06-03 15:48:45+0000 <antoviaque> nope, I'm starting to ask around who would like to participate or organize 2011-06-03 15:49:01+0000 <antoviaque> and then depending on who is interested we set the dates 2011-06-03 15:49:40+0000 <dachary> is there a papillon somewhere to set the dates ? 2011-06-03 15:49:54+0000 <dachary> http://www.peacefrogs.net/papillon-dev/ 2011-06-03 15:49:59+0000 <dachary> or something ? 2011-06-03 15:50:33+0000 <dachary> I could ask around if there was a way to register 2011-06-03 15:51:06+0000 <antoviaque> It's likely to have several dates 2011-06-03 15:51:19+0000 <antoviaque> my idea was to try it out once to check the main issues 2011-06-03 15:51:41+0000 <dachary> papillon let you state when you're available 2011-06-03 15:51:41+0000 <antoviaque> and then to get each dev/contributor to organize one 2011-06-03 15:51:59+0000 <antoviaque> I know papillon yep : ) 2011-06-03 15:52:03+0000 <dachary> you can count on me *not* to organize a playtest ;-) 2011-06-03 15:52:12+0000 <antoviaque> really? why? 2011-06-03 15:52:29+0000 <dachary> because I don't feel like it 2011-06-03 15:52:46+0000 <dachary> I'd happily broadcast the existence of a playtest 2011-06-03 15:53:02+0000 <antoviaque> at least participate to one then - there is nothing like seeing the players experience the game from first hand 2011-06-03 15:53:07+0000 <dachary> I'm more of a marketing guy than an organizer ;-) 2011-06-03 15:53:10+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-06-03 15:55:13+0000 <antoviaque> well as long as you can be there and interact with players, it's good then : ) 2011-06-03 15:57:38+0000 <dachary> I'd be happy to participate but I'm not inclined to organize 2011-06-03 16:04:09+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: if you need to find the links of the surveys, I've put them on the wiki. Home -> Project -> Gameplay lab 2011-06-03 16:05:08+0000 <dachary> http://farsides.com/wiki/Portal:Project#Gameplay_Lab 2011-06-03 16:05:42+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I added a direct link to http://cardstori.es/trac/ also 2011-06-03 16:06:08+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: what dates are you aiming for ? 2011-06-03 16:06:28+0000 <dachary> I'm asking because I'm trying to think about what needs my attention 2011-06-03 16:07:26+0000 <antoviaque> would be good to have tried at least once before the middle of the month, to still have some time before the end of the current priority 2011-06-03 16:08:02+0000 <antoviaque> but it will depend on how easy it will be to find people/friends/etc. willing to do it 2011-06-03 16:09:54+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: maybe we can set a date for a playtest rehearsal with just us faking it ? 2011-06-03 16:10:30+0000 <dachary> that would allow us to collect blockers that need immediate attention 2011-06-03 16:10:55+0000 <antoviaque> ah that can be done quickly yep 2011-06-03 16:11:06+0000 <antoviaque> and it can actually be a good occasion to think about the game 2011-06-03 16:26:47+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: http://papillon.peacefrogs.net/poll/vlSIgO1307117288/ <= here is your poll :p 2011-06-03 16:27:33+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: dachary: tartarugafeliz: what about having both the playtest and the beer the same evening next week? 2011-06-03 16:28:09+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: romulo: we could do the playtest on IRC, so that you can participate 2011-06-03 16:28:18+0000 <dachary> +1 2011-06-03 16:29:39+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: dachary: rogerio: romulo: tartarugafeliz: if you can fill the poll to say when it would be possible for you, it would be perfect :p => http://papillon.peacefrogs.net/poll/vlSIgO1307117288/ 2011-06-03 16:29:58+0000 <dachary> done 2011-06-03 16:41:50+0000 <blanchard> done 2011-06-03 16:42:50+0000 <romulo> dachary, http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jscoverage/jscoverage_0.3.1-1.dsc is from 2008. The version from www.jslint.com is from 2011. Why not using the 2011 one? The browsers changed quite a bit in 3 years. 2011-06-03 16:44:39+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, ^ 2011-06-03 16:45:59+0000 <antoviaque> I've no religion about this, personally :) as long as there is a simple solution that works, I'm happy with both 2011-06-03 16:46:08+0000 Laurent__ (Laurent__) is now online 2011-06-03 16:46:22+0000 <Laurent__> Hi all 2011-06-03 16:46:23+0000 <antoviaque> hi Laurent__ : ) 2011-06-03 16:46:30+0000 <romulo> hi there 2011-06-03 16:46:34+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: Hello Deborah 2011-06-03 16:46:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hi! 2011-06-03 16:47:10+0000 <Laurent__> a quick visit :) 2011-06-03 16:47:23+0000 <dachary> Laurent__: good bonjour 2011-06-03 16:47:41+0000 <Laurent__> i saw the pages of the six steps 2011-06-03 16:47:49+0000 <Laurent__> héhé 2011-06-03 16:48:04+0000 <Laurent__> dachary: david ? 2011-06-03 16:48:35+0000 <dachary> Laurent__: no, I'm not david. I'm a developer ;-) 2011-06-03 16:48:50+0000 <antoviaque> david = blanchard : ) 2011-06-03 16:49:09+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: the page of the six steps? 2011-06-03 16:49:17+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: we must ask the same questions : what is the objective of this page ? what is the process to arrive ? how the player understood and respect that 2011-06-03 16:49:39+0000 <Laurent__> dachary: oups, nice to meet u :) 2011-06-03 16:50:02+0000 <dachary> nice to meet you too 2011-06-03 16:50:04+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: the page of choose a sentence, of enter mail, of vote etc :) 2011-06-03 16:50:44+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: and so the answer of these questions must be "clear" by the visual 2011-06-03 16:51:41+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: and i think we must have more focus on the objective for each page ( and the step to reeach the objective 2011-06-03 16:51:45+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: btw if tartarugafeliz is not very available today, it's because she changed her weok day to Sunday to finish another work for another client today 2011-06-03 16:52:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh sorry you didn't see my message on the buddypress right? 2011-06-03 16:53:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can we talk on sunday please? 2011-06-03 16:53:16+0000 <Laurent__> tartarugafeliz: for example, if we want that a player enter his email adress, visual must drive his eyes on the "entering zone of mail" , animation ? cycling color ? 2011-06-03 16:53:25+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: oh ok sorry 2011-06-03 16:53:57+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I've reviewed the tasks in http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/70#note-4 2011-06-03 16:54:02+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: could u give me the links where i can post this reflexion ? 2011-06-03 16:54:56+0000 <dachary> see you on sunday, have a nice evening 2011-06-03 16:55:12+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: yep, let me grab the ticket number 2011-06-03 16:55:15+0000 <Laurent__> what's the diffence bitween Budypress and farsides ? 2011-06-03 16:55:21+0000 <blanchard> hi Laurent__ 2011-06-03 16:55:30+0000 <Laurent__> Hi David :) 2011-06-03 16:55:48+0000 <antoviaque> buddypress is the tool we use for forum discussions 2011-06-03 16:56:02+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/blog/groups/ 2011-06-03 16:56:04+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: i arrived too late to discuss with Debotah 2011-06-03 16:56:30+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: so i'll post but i don't remember where ;/ 2011-06-03 16:56:43+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: you can add it there: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/57 2011-06-03 16:57:01+0000 <antoviaque> You'll most likely need to create an account there too : ) 2011-06-03 16:57:35+0000 <blanchard> Laurent__: Deb had switched her work day to sunday. Did you receive by mail her notification about that ? (http://farsides.com/blog/members/Tartaruga%20Feliz/) 2011-06-03 16:58:41+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: no just a post to rugerio by yourself 2011-06-03 16:58:55+0000 <blanchard> hmm 2011-06-03 17:00:40+0000 <blanchard> i'm not sure why 2011-06-03 17:00:47+0000 <Laurent__> blanchard: perhaps i've forgotten ton subscribe in this grou ? 2011-06-03 17:01:00+0000 <blanchard> that's what i was checking yep 2011-06-03 17:01:46+0000 <blanchard> but the group has been removed today by antoviaque (we now use groups code, game design, etc, which will make things easier) so i can't check that 2011-06-03 17:01:56+0000 <Laurent__> i don't remember to subscribe to blog members... 2011-06-03 17:02:40+0000 <Laurent__> arf farsides is worst than the labyrinth of minotaure.... 2011-06-03 17:02:46+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: usually those updates will now be posted on the project management group 2011-06-03 17:02:48+0000 <Laurent__> héhé i 'm lost 2011-06-03 17:03:06+0000 <antoviaque> Laurent__: yep, that's quite normal to be lost yep : ) 2011-06-03 17:03:09+0000 <Laurent__> too many way 2011-06-03 17:03:21+0000 <Laurent__> a lot of links 2011-06-03 17:03:36+0000 <Laurent__> where is the right door ? ;P 2011-06-03 17:03:47+0000 <blanchard> that's true but you'll eventually find the right door :) 2011-06-03 17:03:54+0000 <antoviaque> yep, the tools we use still change a lot, while we setup the production pipelines 2011-06-03 17:04:13+0000 <antoviaque> we didn't try to get everything integrated in a consistent way 2011-06-03 17:04:15+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: i posted on cardstories a small howto for people like laurent who want to test CS (alone) 2011-06-03 17:04:37+0000 <blanchard> i don't have access to it but it could be useful 2011-06-03 17:04:42+0000 <antoviaque> but it should progressively stabilize, then we'll try to make it easier to find its way : ) 2011-06-03 17:05:46+0000 <Laurent__> yes no problem 2011-06-03 17:05:56+0000 <antoviaque> http://farsides.com/blog/groups/card-stories/ 2011-06-03 17:06:00+0000 <Laurent__> i must arrive to reach the right door ;) 2011-06-03 17:06:01+0000 <antoviaque> I've dehidden it 2011-06-03 17:06:09+0000 <antoviaque> just for you to copy paste this elsewhere 2011-06-03 17:06:26+0000 <blanchard> thx done antoviaque 2011-06-03 17:06:27+0000 <antoviaque> it doesn't allow to leave it as read only - only hidden or open for posting :/ 2011-06-03 17:06:40+0000 <antoviaque> ok rehidden : ) 2011-06-03 17:07:44+0000 <Laurent__> ok thks, i find the help of David, 2011-06-03 17:08:04+0000 <Laurent__> i've copied in my todo ;) 2011-06-03 17:08:09+0000 <Laurent__> thks 2011-06-03 17:08:28+0000 <blanchard> Laurent__: have a look at this http://farsides.com/blog/members/blanchard/activity/815/ 2011-06-03 17:08:42+0000 <blanchard> it should answser the question you had the last time about testing the game 2011-06-03 17:08:50+0000 <blanchard> let me know if it works 2011-06-03 17:13:44+0000 <Laurent__> ok for the moment two players... i'll continue, not easy with small screen of my macbook ;) 2011-06-03 17:14:42+0000 <blanchard> ok 2011-06-03 17:14:50+0000 <blanchard> leaving for diner 2011-06-03 17:14:53+0000 <blanchard> bbl 2011-06-03 17:17:10+0000 <Laurent__> ok finish 2011-06-03 17:17:17+0000 <Laurent__> it's ok 2011-06-03 17:17:26+0000 <Laurent__> possible to make a real party :) 2011-06-03 17:17:56+0000 <Laurent__> very usefull for me, thks :) 2011-06-03 17:18:33+0000 <Laurent__> leaving for diner too ;) 2011-06-03 17:18:40+0000 <Laurent__> Bye ! 2011-06-03 17:19:13+0000 <Laurent__> i'll try be there Sunday ( late afternoon, perhaps 17H o'clock 2011-06-03 17:19:46+0000 <Laurent__> or today, late , near 22H if you are here 2011-06-03 17:19:48+0000 <Laurent__> A++ 2011-06-03 17:20:01+0000 <antoviaque> see you Laurent__ : ) 2011-06-03 17:20:06+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for coming! :) 2011-06-03 17:20:30+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: i must go often ;) 2011-06-03 17:21:20+0000 <Laurent__> antoviaque: to understand better, CS, farsides etc and practice english ( very necessary ! ) 2011-06-03 17:21:22+0000 <Laurent__> By 2011-06-03 17:21:30+0000 <antoviaque> yup, it will come : ) 2011-06-03 17:21:33+0000 <antoviaque> bye! 2011-06-03 17:46:54+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-03 17:51:40+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: back? 2011-06-03 17:57:21+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, yep 2011-06-03 17:58:12+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: all good for jlint? 2011-06-03 17:58:35+0000 <antoviaque> want to talk about the changes during reviews, too? 2011-06-03 18:02:16+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, theres no decision yet, if www.jslint.com is good too 2011-06-03 18:02:33+0000 <romulo> anyway, sure. 2011-06-03 18:02:46+0000 <romulo> (about the changes during reviews) 2011-06-03 18:02:51+0000 <romulo> rogerio, ping 2011-06-03 18:02:54+0000 <antoviaque> try it, and see if it gives consistent results : ) 2011-06-03 18:03:12+0000 <romulo> it gives some points, yes 2011-06-03 18:03:16+0000 <antoviaque> the requirement is on using jslint, so we can see if it works to use different versions or not 2011-06-03 18:06:30+0000 <romulo> ok 2011-06-03 18:09:02+0000 <antoviaque> and about the changes during reviews? what is the issue precisely? 2011-06-03 18:14:10+0000 <romulo> The time we spend doing reviews, should be considered as work hours too 2011-06-03 18:14:42+0000 <antoviaque> of course - it's part of the task itself 2011-06-03 18:14:58+0000 <antoviaque> you mean when there are unexpected changes? 2011-06-03 18:16:00+0000 <antoviaque> for that part it works like the rest of the task 2011-06-03 18:16:46+0000 <antoviaque> when you estimate it, you take into account a little time to make sure you'll have room to fix simple things for the review 2011-06-03 18:17:07+0000 <romulo> hmm 2011-06-03 18:17:25+0000 <romulo> I am not sure if its my fault for not catching this before 2011-06-03 18:17:51+0000 <antoviaque> when there is something unexpected (like for example the changes you had to make on the HTML patch, following loic's reviews over the last two weeks), we can discuss it to reevaluate 2011-06-03 18:18:05+0000 <antoviaque> we did it for you on that one, several times, no? 2011-06-03 18:18:11+0000 <romulo> yeah 2011-06-03 18:18:26+0000 <romulo> its just that i didnt catch it should be on the "estimate" 2011-06-03 18:18:33+0000 <romulo> itself, i mean, not that is discussed later 2011-06-03 18:19:32+0000 <antoviaque> you can think of it in terms of deliverables 2011-06-03 18:19:47+0000 <antoviaque> like when you have a "normal" client, and you make a package 2011-06-03 18:20:08+0000 <antoviaque> in the time and price, you account for the fixes and changes you'll have to make 2011-06-03 18:20:31+0000 <antoviaque> sometimes it's small, sometimes it's big - your goal is that on average it levels out 2011-06-03 18:20:41+0000 <romulo> ok 2011-06-03 18:21:09+0000 <antoviaque> also right now there are *a lot* of back&forth during reviews 2011-06-03 18:21:22+0000 <antoviaque> what would help would be to minimize that part 2011-06-03 18:21:44+0000 <antoviaque> it takes some learning, as dachary is very exigent on code quality, but it's habits to take 2011-06-03 18:23:49+0000 <romulo> okay 2011-06-03 18:23:53+0000 <antoviaque> and of course all of this can be discussed again at any time - when something doesn't feel fair, it means we have to find a way to fix it : ) 2011-06-03 18:24:03+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-06-03 18:24:30+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: how is it going with your current patches? are you having this problem now? 2011-06-03 18:28:34+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, not exactly, just spending some extra time with the HTML none 2011-06-03 18:28:35+0000 <romulo> one* 2011-06-03 18:29:41+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: what's the issue on that one? I thought it was almost done? 2011-06-03 18:30:22+0000 <antoviaque> (don't intend to chase you - just want to dig a bit to see how it could be avoided) 2011-06-03 18:44:05+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, it is done (almost) but i need to change many things dachary asked me to 2011-06-03 18:44:29+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2011-06-03 18:45:50+0000 * antoviaque is reading 2011-06-03 18:48:59+0000 <romulo> im going home 2011-06-03 18:49:01+0000 <romulo> talk toy ou from there 2011-06-03 18:49:15+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-06-03 19:19:07+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-03 19:19:14+0000 <dachary> back 2011-06-03 20:02:34+0000 antoviaque1 (antoviaque1) is now online 2011-06-03 20:22:57+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-03 20:22:59+0000 <romulo> antoviaque1, ping 2011-06-03 20:23:18+0000 <antoviaque1> re : ) 2011-06-03 20:23:30+0000 <antoviaque1> had a good travel back? 2011-06-03 20:25:22+0000 <antoviaque1> romulo: about #47 2011-06-03 20:25:31+0000 <antoviaque1> i've read the last review 2011-06-03 20:25:39+0000 <antoviaque1> if I cut it down: 2011-06-03 20:26:09+0000 <antoviaque1> 1) 2) 7) are about 100% coverage of modified code & fixing warning on tests, which is a requirement that was mentioned from the start, so that one is part of the task 2011-06-03 20:26:18+0000 <antoviaque1> 3) could be debated, but it's microscopic (changing 3 strings) 2011-06-03 20:26:38+0000 <antoviaque1> 4) is a question (or a flaw, if the answer is that they are the same) 2011-06-03 20:26:52+0000 <antoviaque1> 5) 6) 7) are about a flaw (unused code, url treated as file path) 2011-06-03 20:27:16+0000 <antoviaque1> which is the part are you referring to that wasn't part of the estimates we did? I see 3) & 4) that could be discussed, but it wouldn't make much sense? 2011-06-03 20:27:26+0000 <antoviaque1> the big part seem to be the tests 2011-06-03 20:28:53+0000 <antoviaque1> or is it because it ends up taking you more time than you expected, at the end? 2011-06-03 20:32:44+0000 <romulo> its not "much more time" just a little bit =P 2011-06-03 20:33:33+0000 <antoviaque1> yup : ) 2011-06-03 20:33:59+0000 <antoviaque1> well it's true it's tricky, estimating tasks is not easy 2011-06-03 20:34:22+0000 <antoviaque1> how can I help here? 2011-06-03 20:34:52+0000 <romulo> oh theres no problem her =P 2011-06-03 20:34:54+0000 <romulo> i was just telling you 2011-06-03 20:36:05+0000 <antoviaque1> but what about 2011-06-03 20:36:17+0000 <antoviaque1> the original issue you brought 2011-06-03 20:36:20+0000 <antoviaque1> (08:14:12 PM) romulo: The time we spend doing reviews, should be considered as work hours too 2011-06-03 20:36:58+0000 <romulo> its for future tasks 2011-06-03 20:38:04+0000 <antoviaque1> ah, so ticket #47 was a different matter? 2011-06-03 20:38:10+0000 <antoviaque1> sorry, I got it wrong then 2011-06-03 20:38:33+0000 <antoviaque1> I thought you were saying this for task #47 2011-06-03 20:39:50+0000 <romulo> =] 2011-06-03 20:39:51+0000 <romulo> np 2011-06-03 20:40:01+0000 <antoviaque1> :) 2011-06-03 20:40:02+0000 <antoviaque1> ok 2011-06-03 20:40:24+0000 <antoviaque1> well I'm off for today : ) 2011-06-03 20:40:47+0000 <romulo> me too 2011-06-03 20:40:49+0000 <romulo> talk to you later =] 2011-06-03 20:40:54+0000 <antoviaque1> see you!
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