Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-02.
2011-06-02 00:33:17+0000 rogerio_ (rogerio_) is now online 2011-06-02 07:04:54+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now offline 2011-06-02 07:42:58+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-02 07:45:19+0000 da (da) is now online 2011-06-02 07:55:48+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-02 07:57:50+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: accessibility is very far from being small fly in our case - the rules are simple, but the fact that you usually need 1-2 rounds to understand the concept (even when playing with people who know the game and can explain it to you face to face) is quite a challenge 2011-06-02 08:00:52+0000 <da> antoviaque: agreed. But I think that a page that expains things in a graphical way could be useful 1) in the short term for playtest while there is no solo mode (unless it's very easy to have it) 2) should be useful in the future even when there is solo mode, for reference or any other purpose 2011-06-02 08:01:10+0000 <da> it would be a good exercise to try to draft something imho 2011-06-02 08:02:43+0000 <antoviaque> da: you mean this? http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/61 2011-06-02 08:02:44+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-06-02 08:03:20+0000 <da> absolutely :) sorry i did not have this ticket in mind 2011-06-02 08:04:07+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-02 08:18:40+0000 <da> antoviaque: cap digital is organizing a contest for small companies - the winners get support for fund raising. The cost for participating is 50⬠2011-06-02 08:19:21+0000 <da> apparently if we win and want to have all the services there is an additional cost of 500⬠2011-06-02 08:19:42+0000 <da> but i think it's worth trying - if we win, then we'll decide if we go for it 2011-06-02 08:19:48+0000 <da> what do you think ? 2011-06-02 08:21:16+0000 <da> antoviaque: 2011-06-02 08:21:43+0000 <antoviaque> what is the contest about? 2011-06-02 08:21:55+0000 <da> like a pitch for investors 2011-06-02 08:22:02+0000 <da> and they select 10 companies 2011-06-02 08:22:22+0000 <da> and provide them with a cap digital label + meetings w/ investors + support 2011-06-02 08:22:44+0000 <antoviaque> well it gives an opportunity to clean up the dust of the business plan, and improve+test it, so sounds good : ) 2011-06-02 08:23:06+0000 <da> issue is it all happens in october which is late for us 2011-06-02 08:23:30+0000 <da> but yes 50⬠is not much to already have some feedback in june with the jury and all 2011-06-02 08:30:00+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-02 08:31:02+0000 <antoviaque> when will you start working on the next round btw? 2011-06-02 08:35:31+0000 <da> i'm currently trying to get some contacts 2011-06-02 08:35:38+0000 <da> but it' far from easy 2011-06-02 08:35:53+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I wrote in my agenda that there is a drink today. Am I mistaken ? I think I am. 2011-06-02 08:47:54+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/72 2011-06-02 08:50:38+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: nope, you're right, it is a drink day : ) 2011-06-02 08:50:42+0000 <antoviaque> 7pm :p 2011-06-02 08:51:47+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: thanks, I'll split that : ) 2011-06-02 08:51:59+0000 <antoviaque> what part are you tackling at the end? 2011-06-02 08:52:25+0000 <dachary> cool 2011-06-02 08:52:36+0000 <dachary> for some reason my brain thought it was 7 june 2011-06-02 08:52:39+0000 <dachary> thank you org-mode 2011-06-02 08:52:42+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-06-02 08:53:31+0000 <dachary> regarding http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/72 I'll give it a shot today, trying to go for the simplest solution 2011-06-02 08:53:44+0000 <dachary> I'm not sure how it can be split just yet 2011-06-02 08:54:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: note that it depends on the plugin system 2011-06-02 08:56:45+0000 <antoviaque> yep - romulo's patch isn't merged yet 2011-06-02 08:59:44+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: do you have the url of rogerio's repository? 2011-06-02 09:02:47+0000 * antoviaque is looking at 6, 22 & 23 2011-06-02 09:05:04+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: git://gitorious.org/cardstories_rogerhil/cardstories_rogerhil.git 2011-06-02 09:05:14+0000 <antoviaque> "(10:53:45 AM) dachary: I'm not sure how it can be split just yet" => you mean the split of tasks we did on Tuesday isn't valid anymore? 2011-06-02 09:05:24+0000 <antoviaque> thanks 2011-06-02 09:05:59+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm not sure. Unless you feel an urge to do it today, I suggest we just wait to discuss this tomorrow. I'll think about it today. 2011-06-02 09:07:26+0000 <antoviaque> I think rogerio and romulo have work for today, so it should be fine 2011-06-02 09:08:50+0000 <antoviaque> the code queue is getting empty though, so if I can split them to feed this queue tomorrow morning, it would be good 2011-06-02 09:10:00+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, actually the remaining tasks are enough work to take on tomorrow actually 2011-06-02 09:10:08+0000 <antoviaque> so it's all good to discuss it tomorrow 2011-06-02 09:12:51+0000 <antoviaque> btw while charles is gone, there is no one who prefers sunday to work - so if you want for the next 3 weeks we can switch to Friday as the main work day 2011-06-02 09:13:15+0000 <antoviaque> da: dachary: ^ 2011-06-02 09:13:38+0000 <antoviaque> it would be the same day as deborah (&laurent starting next week) 2011-06-02 09:13:41+0000 <da> yes yes yes 2011-06-02 09:14:34+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I'm good with sunday. I am a man of habits ;-) 2011-06-02 09:15:29+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-02 09:15:31+0000 <antoviaque> ok then 2011-06-02 09:16:03+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I don't think the code queue is empty 2011-06-02 09:16:23+0000 <antoviaque> it's getting there 2011-06-02 09:16:28+0000 <dachary> today ? 2011-06-02 09:16:33+0000 <antoviaque> no 2011-06-02 09:16:56+0000 <antoviaque> but 10 & 67 are actually low priority 2011-06-02 09:17:03+0000 <antoviaque> so there is just facebook connect 2011-06-02 09:17:35+0000 <antoviaque> but if needed it will be a low priority, that's what it is for : ) 2011-06-02 09:17:49+0000 <dachary> I think you're understimating the effort required to finalize the currently pending tasks 2011-06-02 09:18:26+0000 <antoviaque> I don't think so - but finalizing a patch doesn't mean not taking on new tasks 2011-06-02 09:18:37+0000 <antoviaque> otherwise we would lose a lot of time in back&forth 2011-06-02 09:18:53+0000 <dachary> let's discuss this in person 2011-06-02 09:19:00+0000 <dachary> it's difficult on IRC 2011-06-02 09:19:06+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-06-02 09:19:49+0000 <antoviaque> but anyway, I was saying that it wasn't a problem : ) 2011-06-02 09:19:50+0000 <antoviaque> (11:10:01 AM) antoviaque: hmm, actually the remaining tasks are enough work to take on tomorrow actually 2011-06-02 09:19:50+0000 <antoviaque> (11:10:09 AM) antoviaque: so it's all good to discuss it tomorrow 2011-06-02 09:21:03+0000 <dachary> In essence I think finalizing the patch is underestimated. rogerio and romulo switch too quickly to "ready to review" once they think the patch is ready. And there is quite a bit of delay introduced by the fact that they don't properly check things. The number of bounces between "ready to review" and "in progress" is too high. 2011-06-02 09:21:20+0000 <antoviaque> I see 2011-06-02 09:21:28+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I see what you mean when you say the code queue is getting empty 2011-06-02 09:21:38+0000 <antoviaque> would you be able to list the things that are typically overlooked? 2011-06-02 09:21:53+0000 <antoviaque> I could update the requirement lists based on that, and then follow progress 2011-06-02 09:21:59+0000 <dachary> but I also think it's a problem to multiply the tasks that pile up and become increasingly difficult to rebase and keep consistent 2011-06-02 09:23:18+0000 <antoviaque> if they are kept rebased on each contributor repository, what is the issue? 2011-06-02 09:23:24+0000 <antoviaque> conflicts between contributors? 2011-06-02 09:23:33+0000 <dachary> the tests are overlooked, always. the coverage comes next. the impact on the rest of the code or the globaly consistency of the patch comes third. 2011-06-02 09:24:01+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: the facebook integration is a good example of a messy situation involving multiple interelated patches 2011-06-02 09:25:18+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I think romulo task list should remain empty until he properly finishes the #47 2011-06-02 09:25:36+0000 <antoviaque> for FB, there are two patches, one to be applied after the other, if the quick look I had is any indication 2011-06-02 09:25:38+0000 <dachary> I think rogerio is able to handle // tasks in an organized way 2011-06-02 09:26:18+0000 <antoviaque> I haven't fetched rogerio's repo yet, but if the patches are kept in the head, it shouldn't be messy no? 2011-06-02 09:26:26+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ok 2011-06-02 09:26:29+0000 <dachary> I won't argue 2011-06-02 09:26:47+0000 <dachary> I don't have hard evidence 2011-06-02 09:26:48+0000 <antoviaque> I will look first, but if there is an issue I think it would be that 2011-06-02 09:27:07+0000 <antoviaque> and that can be put as a requirement 2011-06-02 09:27:21+0000 <dachary> I'll take a look at the FB integration now 2011-06-02 09:27:39+0000 <antoviaque> uh, nope, I still need to fetch his repo 2011-06-02 09:27:59+0000 <antoviaque> I don't know if they apply gracefully yet, and in any case it's missing a test 2011-06-02 09:28:25+0000 <antoviaque> I'll let you know 2011-06-02 09:29:19+0000 <antoviaque> but my point is that we just need to organize things a bit - we can talk about it face to face yep 2011-06-02 09:29:32+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: for #47 I agree, this needs to be merged asap 2011-06-02 09:33:45+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: do you know how http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/6 relates to #22 and #23 or should I try to figure out ? 2011-06-02 09:37:51+0000 * dachary throwing furnitures out of the window while trying to figure out the relations between #22 and #23 which present exactly (is it exactly?) the same patch and #6 2011-06-02 09:38:52+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: uh, I thought you wanted me to look at those first? 2011-06-02 09:42:07+0000 <dachary> yes I did. And I did not know exactly why. Now I know ;-) 2011-06-02 09:42:33+0000 <antoviaque> but then why didn't you let me finish this? 2011-06-02 09:42:47+0000 <antoviaque> I'm happy to help, but not to duplicate work : ) 2011-06-02 09:47:56+0000 <dachary> because I got pissed and wanted to get rid of this. Sorry about that. I'm not always behaving rationaly. 2011-06-02 09:48:43+0000 <antoviaque> it's ok : ) 2011-06-02 09:49:52+0000 <antoviaque> from what I understood so far I didn't see things that can't be worked on - I'm sure we'll find out good solutions for the issues you point out 2011-06-02 10:03:21+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: from what I see in rogerio's repository it's just missing what he did for the other tickets, ie a branch containing the set of changes 2011-06-02 10:03:47+0000 <antoviaque> I'm going to give back the tickets to him, asking for that and the missing test 2011-06-02 10:06:45+0000 <dachary> I think I get utterly frustrated to systematically bounce 'ready for review' tickets, even if it's for perfectly valid reasons. 2011-06-02 10:07:01+0000 <antoviaque> I can see that 2011-06-02 10:07:17+0000 <antoviaque> but we can work on this 2011-06-02 10:07:19+0000 <dachary> but I should be more patient 2011-06-02 10:07:41+0000 <antoviaque> I'll compile the list of requirements, to make a sort of checklist before putting a patch for review 2011-06-02 10:10:44+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/16 \o/ 2011-06-02 10:10:51+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: be careful when you put something as invalid (#22) - here rogerio would lose 4 hours if it doesn't end up as "merged" 2011-06-02 10:11:04+0000 <antoviaque> yey :P 2011-06-02 10:11:59+0000 <antoviaque> I'm updating the fb tasks 2011-06-02 10:17:41+0000 <dachary> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/46#note-12 2011-06-02 10:25:46+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: there is nothing left in http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/issues?query_id=3 . Yesterday and this morning work total 5 hours to get there. However I don't think this is a typical situation. 2011-06-02 10:26:36+0000 <dachary> I'll try to maintain a "zero pending review policy" from now on and evaluate how long it takes me. 2011-06-02 10:27:13+0000 <antoviaque> that can help yep, along with more care & learning on patch that are submitted 2011-06-02 10:28:33+0000 <dachary> I will be terse about obvious mistakes to save time. 2011-06-02 10:41:53+0000 <dachary> I'm going to have lunch with jz and go to farsides headquarters afterwards 2011-06-02 10:42:04+0000 <antoviaque> ok, have a good lunch : ) 2011-06-02 10:42:09+0000 <antoviaque> say hi to jz 2011-06-02 10:57:37+0000 * dachary found piece in having no pending reviews ;-) 2011-06-02 10:57:45+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah : ) 2011-06-02 10:57:50+0000 <antoviaque> it feels good yup ;p 2011-06-02 10:58:06+0000 <dachary> and in merging 3 contributions 2011-06-02 11:02:33+0000 * dachary sitting back and thinking about solo mode implementation 2011-06-02 11:06:20+0000 <dachary> s/piece/peace/ 2011-06-02 11:10:48+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: one issue we've not addressed is that the solo mode is only meant for players, not for authors 2011-06-02 11:10:56+0000 <antoviaque> yes 2011-06-02 11:11:11+0000 <antoviaque> since it's expected that a new player would start as player 2011-06-02 11:11:13+0000 <dachary> it's not an issue really, is it ? 2011-06-02 11:11:31+0000 <antoviaque> It doesn't seem to be no 2011-06-02 11:11:34+0000 <dachary> ok 2011-06-02 11:17:21+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: your idea of a "play solo" button is simple, I'll assume that's all there is for now. The "solo" list of games can come afterwards. But that's a more complex implementation. 2011-06-02 11:17:53+0000 <dachary> Assuming there is a "solo" plugin that has access to the database (the plugin system allows that) 2011-06-02 11:18:28+0000 <dachary> it could intercept the "action=solo" ajax request 2011-06-02 11:19:53+0000 <dachary> and fabricate a game from any of the existing games, removing a player at random and replacing it with the player who asked solo. The game would be created in "invitation" state. 2011-06-02 11:20:33+0000 <dachary> when the solo mode is notified that the player picked a card, it goes to vote state immediately. 2011-06-02 11:21:03+0000 <dachary> when the solo mode is notified that the player voted for a card it goes to the complete state 2011-06-02 11:21:40+0000 <antoviaque> yup, for a first try it seems good 2011-06-02 11:21:43+0000 * dachary thinking about what the solo mode plugin would need to retain about the game 2011-06-02 11:22:10+0000 <dachary> it may be enough to store the original game id 2011-06-02 11:26:17+0000 <dachary> I think there is not even a need to store the original game id 2011-06-02 11:26:28+0000 <dachary> the game can be copied as is 2011-06-02 11:26:43+0000 <dachary> that would be simple 2011-06-02 11:26:48+0000 <dachary> I have a good feeling about this 2011-06-02 11:26:52+0000 <dachary> bbl 2011-06-02 12:45:22+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-02 13:23:14+0000 rogerio (rogerio) is now online 2011-06-02 13:23:21+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: Bonjour 2011-06-02 13:23:24+0000 <rogerio> :) 2011-06-02 13:23:29+0000 <rogerio> How are you? 2011-06-02 13:24:46+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: yesterday I didn't work with Symfony task, I'm sorry. I spent time fixing other tasks, :( 2011-06-02 13:26:18+0000 <rogerio> And today I have to do the same :( 2011-06-02 13:27:23+0000 <rogerio> I have 3 tasks to review, and also work on another task that was merged 2011-06-02 13:27:41+0000 <rogerio> and then I can work with Symfony task 2011-06-02 13:27:54+0000 <antoviaque> rogerio: ok 2011-06-02 13:27:55+0000 <rogerio> I'll work the weekend 2011-06-02 13:28:12+0000 <antoviaque> and hi : ) 2011-06-02 13:29:44+0000 <antoviaque> for the fixing of tasks, do you think you will you be better prepared for the next tasks? 2011-06-02 13:30:07+0000 <antoviaque> or are there things that you can't forsee? 2011-06-02 13:31:07+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: the symfony task is 12 hours -> 3 days 2011-06-02 13:31:17+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-06-02 13:31:20+0000 <rogerio> antoviaque: I have to review 3 tasks today 2011-06-02 13:31:51+0000 <rogerio> and also work on another one, that dachary merged the task 2011-06-02 13:32:18+0000 <rogerio> I have to work to work today more than 5 or 6 hours to do this :( 2011-06-02 13:32:47+0000 <rogerio> so, on friday and weekend I can work on Symfony task 2011-06-02 13:32:54+0000 <rogerio> 12 hours 2011-06-02 13:32:57+0000 <rogerio> 4 hours on friday 2011-06-02 13:33:04+0000 <rogerio> and 8 in the weekend 2011-06-02 13:33:18+0000 <antoviaque> yep, that's fine with me 2011-06-02 13:33:26+0000 <antoviaque> but I'm trying to make sure it's fair for you 2011-06-02 13:33:45+0000 <antoviaque> I mean, do you think that for new tasks you will take on, you will be able to submit patches that require less fixing? 2011-06-02 13:33:57+0000 <rogerio> so, I think it is better we discuss another task in perhaps in monday 2011-06-02 13:34:05+0000 <antoviaque> yep, agreed 2011-06-02 13:34:42+0000 <antoviaque> because the thing is, when there is a lot of fixing to do on a task, you lose hours compared to the estimate 2011-06-02 13:35:31+0000 <rogerio> I think I am working a lot of time review the tasks, but I think it is just things of th begining, adjustments, I think in future I can have more control of this 2011-06-02 13:35:46+0000 <rogerio> yes 2011-06-02 13:35:55+0000 <antoviaque> ok, perfect - that's what I wanted to know 2011-06-02 13:36:37+0000 <antoviaque> and if you want help on that part let me know 2011-06-02 13:36:42+0000 <rogerio> I hope in a soon future this things will getting better 2011-06-02 13:36:59+0000 <rogerio> for me 2011-06-02 13:37:01+0000 <antoviaque> yes, the beginning always require time to adjust 2011-06-02 13:37:01+0000 <rogerio> heheheh :) 2011-06-02 13:37:09+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah : ) 2011-06-02 13:37:31+0000 <rogerio> no worries Xavier, it's ok 2011-06-02 13:37:38+0000 <antoviaque> ok : ) 2011-06-02 13:38:11+0000 <rogerio> and, how are you? everything's ok? 2011-06-02 13:38:20+0000 <antoviaque> yup, very well 2011-06-02 13:38:27+0000 <rogerio> ok, great 2011-06-02 13:38:54+0000 <antoviaque> less time to code this week, but hopefully I'll be able to get rid of project management stuff, recruitments, etc. soon :D 2011-06-02 13:39:09+0000 <antoviaque> I really prefer the days where I can focus on code 2011-06-02 13:39:14+0000 <rogerio> very cool 2011-06-02 13:39:36+0000 <rogerio> are you looking for new developers? 2011-06-02 13:39:59+0000 <antoviaque> Yup, would be good to have one full time 2011-06-02 13:40:21+0000 <antoviaque> Don't know if you've seen, I've posted the ad on stackoverflow & others (cf buddypress) 2011-06-02 13:40:41+0000 <rogerio> no, I didn't see this 2011-06-02 13:40:45+0000 <rogerio> great 2011-06-02 13:40:47+0000 <antoviaque> (I mean one *more* full time, uh ;p ) 2011-06-02 13:41:01+0000 <rogerio> one more? 2011-06-02 13:41:17+0000 <antoviaque> Yes, it's not to replace you or rogerio :D 2011-06-02 13:41:27+0000 * antoviaque doesn't want any misunderstandings ;p 2011-06-02 13:41:37+0000 <rogerio> haahhaaha, I know, don't worrie 2011-06-02 13:41:47+0000 <antoviaque> ;) 2011-06-02 13:42:26+0000 <rogerio> I ask you if you were looking for developers because I have a friend that is looking for a job 2011-06-02 13:42:34+0000 <rogerio> he know python very weel 2011-06-02 13:42:37+0000 <rogerio> knows 2011-06-02 13:42:43+0000 <antoviaque> ah, great! 2011-06-02 13:42:48+0000 <rogerio> and also web development 2011-06-02 13:43:00+0000 <antoviaque> tell him to send a CV at [email protected] 2011-06-02 13:43:07+0000 <antoviaque> (and say that he came through you) 2011-06-02 13:43:21+0000 <rogerio> ok, I tell him 2011-06-02 13:43:27+0000 <rogerio> I'll tell him 2011-06-02 13:43:36+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-06-02 13:44:08+0000 * rogerio slaps antoviaque around a bit with a large fishbot 2011-06-02 13:44:17+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-06-02 13:44:24+0000 <rogerio> what is it? 2011-06-02 13:44:31+0000 <antoviaque> wrong button ;p 2011-06-02 13:44:32+0000 <rogerio> sorry 2011-06-02 13:44:34+0000 <rogerio> ehheeh 2011-06-02 13:44:41+0000 <antoviaque> :P 2011-06-02 13:44:51+0000 <rogerio> :) 2011-06-02 14:05:01+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-02 14:05:01+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-02 14:05:01+0000 rogerio (rogerio) is now online 2011-06-02 14:05:01+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-06-02 14:08:40+0000 <dachary> back 2011-06-02 14:16:28+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-06-02 14:33:56+0000 <rogerio> <module 're' from 'D:\Python27\lib\re.pyc'> 2011-06-02 14:34:04+0000 <rogerio> :) 2011-06-02 14:34:32+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha : ) 2011-06-02 14:34:44+0000 <rogerio> hahahaha, nerd joke 2011-06-02 14:34:50+0000 <antoviaque> :P 2011-06-02 14:34:59+0000 <dachary> <module 're' from '/usr/lib/python2.6/re.pyc'> 2011-06-02 14:35:01+0000 <antoviaque> from rogerio import humor 2011-06-02 14:35:05+0000 <rogerio> ahhahaha 2011-06-02 14:35:08+0000 <dachary> windows vs GNU/Linux 2011-06-02 14:35:09+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-06-02 14:35:13+0000 <dachary> <flamewar> 2011-06-02 14:35:26+0000 <rogerio> yes, I'm on Cemig right now, working on windows :( 2011-06-02 14:36:40+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now online 2011-06-02 14:55:59+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-02 14:56:04+0000 <romulo> good morning 2011-06-02 14:56:12+0000 <antoviaque> hi romulo : ) 2011-06-02 14:56:24+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, hi there =] 2011-06-02 14:56:37+0000 <antoviaque> how are you today? 2011-06-02 14:59:40+0000 <romulo> not bad. Had a bad time yesterday fighting my computer 2011-06-02 15:00:03+0000 <romulo> postfix stopped working because of some bizarriness of ubuntu updates 2011-06-02 15:00:12+0000 <romulo> and then my cardstories repo started to fight me back too 2011-06-02 15:00:23+0000 <romulo> making me waste 2 hours to fix it. 2011-06-02 15:00:29+0000 <romulo> the old and good linux (NOT) 2011-06-02 15:08:40+0000 <dachary> morning 2011-06-02 15:11:53+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: arf, it's a pain when this happens 2011-06-02 15:13:42+0000 <antoviaque> the other day I had evolution crashing every couple of emails - had to lose hours to switch mailers :/ 2011-06-02 15:14:17+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: how is it going otherwise? 2011-06-02 15:16:12+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-02 15:16:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0815241/ 2011-06-02 15:18:03+0000 <dachary> http://dachary.org/loic/cat-window.mp4 2011-06-02 15:18:05+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: 2011-06-02 15:21:46+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ahahah, cattube material : ) 2011-06-02 15:30:59+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, its going well 2011-06-02 15:31:07+0000 <romulo> im going to checkout my commits review today 2011-06-02 15:31:17+0000 <romulo> and deliver the fix for empty invitations soon =P 2011-06-02 15:31:21+0000 <romulo> im just too busy this week 2011-06-02 15:31:24+0000 <romulo> lots going on :( 2011-06-02 15:33:44+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: what's happening? 2011-06-02 15:34:08+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, just life stuff. School, work, etc =P 2011-06-02 15:35:10+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: is it preventing you from spending the half time on farsides? 2011-06-02 15:35:40+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, nop 2011-06-02 15:38:23+0000 <antoviaque> okidok 2011-06-02 15:39:25+0000 <antoviaque> I hope you can cope with your planning - we're still in the tryout phase after all, we can always adapt to make it more comfortable 2011-06-02 15:39:46+0000 <antoviaque> the main thing is to be sure that you're able to maintain it consistently afterwards 2011-06-02 15:40:22+0000 <antoviaque> how is it going with the current tasks? 2011-06-02 15:40:38+0000 <antoviaque> as always if there is anything I can do don't hesitate 2011-06-02 15:41:12+0000 <antoviaque> I'm very happy about your work and the atmosphere you bring, so if there are things that can make your life better just let me know : ) 2011-06-02 15:42:08+0000 <romulo> thanks =] 2011-06-02 15:42:11+0000 <romulo> its very kind from you 2011-06-02 15:42:21+0000 <romulo> working is going fine. Yesterday bug is fixed, i just need to push it 2011-06-02 15:42:40+0000 <romulo> today i need to review my commits, squash them and re-upload. I made even more changes from a security point of view 2011-06-02 15:42:44+0000 <romulo> im enjoying it 2011-06-02 15:42:56+0000 <antoviaque> cool : ) 2011-06-02 15:43:11+0000 <antoviaque> the review for the html emails is going fine? 2011-06-02 15:43:15+0000 <romulo> yep 2011-06-02 15:44:01+0000 <antoviaque> okay then 2011-06-02 15:44:03+0000 <antoviaque> I guess you'll finish the ones in progress before getting a new one, right? 2011-06-02 15:44:25+0000 <romulo> btw, i was checking other day logs and something catch my attention. Its not a complain, i don't want you to see as that, it is more like a question from me. Why my and rogerio rates are different? 2011-06-02 15:44:31+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, yeah, dont want to get anything today :P 2011-06-02 15:45:18+0000 <antoviaque> romulo: there are always differences in salaries - it depends on previous experience and negotiation during the recruitment 2011-06-02 15:45:44+0000 <antoviaque> I try to make sure that it's within a correct range 2011-06-02 15:46:06+0000 <antoviaque> (ie that it doesn't change dramatically between people, or even places by taking into account the cost of life) 2011-06-02 15:46:13+0000 <romulo> yep 2011-06-02 15:46:15+0000 <romulo> ok =] 2011-06-02 15:46:17+0000 <antoviaque> do you think the difference is unfair? 2011-06-02 15:46:28+0000 <romulo> I would not say unfair. 2011-06-02 15:47:14+0000 <antoviaque> what's your two rates? I'm not sure if I have the correct prices in mind 2011-06-02 15:47:18+0000 <romulo> It's different, I am not in a position to judge this. I don't really know how Rogerio standards and way of living are 2011-06-02 15:47:27+0000 <romulo> let me look @ the logs 2011-06-02 15:48:00+0000 <romulo> 2011-05-24 11:03:17+0000 <da1> rogerio: we agreed on 300 per day so 0.5 day is 150 2011-06-02 15:48:00+0000 <romulo> 2011-05-24 11:03:46+0000 <rogerio> da1: ok, thanks 2011-06-02 15:48:23+0000 <romulo> 2011-05-13 12:19:45+0000 <da1> so romulo shall we go for 230/day for the coming tasks for the month ? The first one you did was decided at 290 2011-06-02 15:48:24+0000 <romulo> 2011-05-13 12:19:50+0000 <da1> ok perfect 2011-06-02 15:48:24+0000 <romulo> 2011-05-13 12:20:18+0000 <romulo> Ok, David, are you the manager? Or any other position? 2011-06-02 15:48:25+0000 <romulo> this =] 2011-06-02 15:49:49+0000 <antoviaque> yep, so if my calculations are right there is a 25% difference - it doesn't seem a lot 2011-06-02 15:50:02+0000 <antoviaque> the main difference with other companies is that you get to see it 2011-06-02 15:50:16+0000 <antoviaque> but this is fairly common from my experience 2011-06-02 15:50:36+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, like i said, not a complain =] 2011-06-02 15:50:39+0000 <antoviaque> one thing that weights a lot during the negociation is experience, and past salaries 2011-06-02 15:50:59+0000 <antoviaque> yep, but it's good to talk about this, so that you can understand why it's like this : ) 2011-06-02 15:51:06+0000 <romulo> yeah, hence why i asked 2011-06-02 15:51:15+0000 <romulo> going to lunch =D 2011-06-02 15:51:17+0000 <romulo> be back soon 2011-06-02 15:51:25+0000 <antoviaque> and actually what I'm expecting that putting them publicly will generate discussions : ) 2011-06-02 15:51:56+0000 <antoviaque> so that when we put a system in place, it is something felt fair by everyone 2011-06-02 15:52:05+0000 <antoviaque> have a good lunch : ) 2011-06-02 15:52:16+0000 <antoviaque> and don't hesitate if you want to resume this conversation later on 2011-06-02 16:16:10+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: romulo: rogerio: updated http://farsides.com/wiki/Requirements_and_deliverables_for_patch_submission - let me know what you think 2011-06-02 16:20:34+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I think this one can be relaxed until there is a stable version : Compatibility: Check that all changes are backward-compatible (and if you made any changes to the database, provide an update script to convert the structure and update relevant fields consistently) 2011-06-02 16:20:47+0000 <dachary> s/contaqined/contained/ 2011-06-02 16:21:09+0000 <antoviaque> so it means we accept to lose the games from the playtests? 2011-06-02 16:23:01+0000 <dachary> no, it means that database changes can be dealt with on a case by case basis because they are very rare 2011-06-02 16:23:13+0000 <antoviaque> ok then, fine with me 2011-06-02 17:08:18+0000 <romulo> How do linux users test for IE and Safari? 2011-06-02 17:08:49+0000 <antoviaque> Personally I use VirtualBox 2011-06-02 17:09:07+0000 <antoviaque> You can also use wine, but it can be trickier sometimes 2011-06-02 17:09:22+0000 <antoviaque> (there is a version of safari for windows) 2011-06-02 17:11:49+0000 <antoviaque> Not that I'd like to encourage the use of windows ;p 2011-06-02 17:12:13+0000 <antoviaque> but a lot of players will be using those browsers, so it's good to keep an eye on what they will see imho 2011-06-02 17:16:12+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: help 2011-06-02 17:16:12+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. 2011-06-02 17:16:27+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: help me with monitoring things 2011-06-02 17:16:27+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I use the following features for monitoring things: coffee, http, icecast and meeting 2011-06-02 17:16:46+0000 <antoviaque> how do i use http 2011-06-02 17:16:54+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: how do i use http 2011-06-02 17:16:54+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Tests if an HTTP site is up and retrieves HTTP URLs. You can use it like this: 2011-06-02 17:17:17+0000 <antoviaque> eve help with delivering messages 2011-06-02 17:17:17+0000 <eve> antoviaque: I use the following features for delivering messages: memo and summon 2011-06-02 17:17:28+0000 <antoviaque> how do i use memo 2011-06-02 17:17:35+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: how do i use memo 2011-06-02 17:17:35+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Keeps messages for people. You can use it like this: 2011-06-02 17:21:10+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: poll on "Test ok?" vote yes or no 2011-06-02 17:21:10+0000 <eve> You heard that, voting has begun. The polls close at 2011-06-02 17:26:10 UTC. The Options Are: 2011-06-02 17:21:10+0000 <eve> 1: yes 2011-06-02 17:21:10+0000 <eve> 2: no 2011-06-02 17:21:20+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: vote 1 2011-06-02 17:22:01+0000 antoviaque2 (antoviaque2) is now online 2011-06-02 17:22:09+0000 <antoviaque2> eve_: vote 1 2011-06-02 17:22:30+0000 antoviaque3 (antoviaque3) is now online 2011-06-02 17:22:57+0000 <antoviaque3> eve_: vote 2 2011-06-02 17:23:19+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: end poll 2011-06-02 17:23:19+0000 <eve> The polls are closed. Totals: 2011-06-02 17:23:19+0000 <eve> 1: yes - 2 votes 2011-06-02 17:23:19+0000 <eve> 2: no - 1 vote 2011-06-02 17:45:22+0000 <antoviaque> ok, reactivated the eve notification (wiki, commits, etc.) with the new tools 2011-06-02 17:45:30+0000 <antoviaque> we'll see if it works well : ) 2011-06-02 17:58:49+0000 <romulo> blanchard, you need to modify my contract with the delivery (next day thing i told you) 2011-06-02 17:59:02+0000 <dachary> antoviaque I have a complaint to register against your workflow 2011-06-02 18:00:21+0000 <dachary> there does not seem to be a simple way to create a ticket that can be closed immediately afterwards. It needs to go thru all the steps from new to confirmed to ready for review to merge to refused to botched to trashed to accepted to redeemed to closed 2011-06-02 18:02:13+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: what's your use case? 2011-06-02 18:03:26+0000 <antoviaque> ok stopped the wiki feed 2011-06-02 18:03:54+0000 <antoviaque> eve has some cool features that I didn't notice yet 2011-06-02 18:03:57+0000 <antoviaque> for example 2011-06-02 18:04:09+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: translate bonjour comment ca va? 2011-06-02 18:04:09+0000 <eve> antoviaque: hello how it goes 2011-06-02 18:05:09+0000 <dachary> antoviaque I'm teasing. I ran into this when closing old tickets that were rendered obsolete by recent changes. The number of steps required makes it more difficult. 2011-06-02 18:06:31+0000 <antoviaque> but you can simply pass them as invalid, no? 2011-06-02 18:06:56+0000 <antoviaque> if you want I can have a look, I would just need the tickets # 2011-06-02 18:16:54+0000 <antoviaque> updated http://farsides.com/wiki/Requirements_and_deliverables_for_patch_submission to add jslint as a requirement 2011-06-02 18:21:46+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, this wiki template is very disturbing :P 2011-06-02 18:23:20+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, you mean the skin? 2011-06-02 18:23:25+0000 <romulo> yeah 2011-06-02 18:23:36+0000 <antoviaque> yep, it's bound to change 2011-06-02 18:23:42+0000 <romulo> hopefully :P 2011-06-02 18:24:11+0000 <antoviaque> It will eventually take this skin: 2011-06-02 18:24:11+0000 <antoviaque> http://dev.farsides.com/blog/ 2011-06-02 18:24:55+0000 <antoviaque> (which also needs a lot of refinement) 2011-06-02 18:25:08+0000 <antoviaque> and be adapted to the wiki structure 2011-06-02 18:25:25+0000 <romulo> this one is cool 2011-06-02 18:25:31+0000 <antoviaque> yup : ) 2011-06-02 18:26:15+0000 <antoviaque> you like working on CSS usually? :D 2011-06-02 18:26:19+0000 <antoviaque> (hehe) 2011-06-02 18:26:55+0000 <romulo> nop =P 2011-06-02 18:26:59+0000 <romulo> i'd rather do python 2011-06-02 18:27:00+0000 <romulo> =p 2011-06-02 18:27:03+0000 <antoviaque> ahah 2011-06-02 18:27:04+0000 <romulo> brb 2011-06-02 18:40:07+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-02 18:54:25+0000 <romulo> back 2011-06-02 18:54:33+0000 <antoviaque> re 2011-06-02 19:04:42+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: for http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/77 you may want to have a look at the options of jsHint you want to see appearing in the tests: http://jshint.com/#docs 2011-06-02 20:11:24+0000 <dachary> back 2011-06-02 21:23:16+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: antoviaque would it be possible to get a "solo" button to add in the lobby somewhere ? 2011-06-02 21:23:44+0000 <dachary> I get a feeling this is going to be working tomorrow 2011-06-02 21:24:08+0000 <dachary> which probably means it's going to be complete sunday instead ;-) 2011-06-02 21:41:55+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-02 21:41:58+0000 <romulo> night 2011-06-02 21:44:46+0000 <dachary> morning 2011-06-02 21:50:53+0000 <romulo> morning night 2011-06-02 21:56:11+0000 <romulo> dachary, do you run ubuntu? 2011-06-02 22:01:07+0000 <dachary> romulo: no, I run Debian 2011-06-02 22:01:54+0000 <romulo> dachary, do you run jslint in http://www.jslint.com/ or standalone? 2011-06-02 22:34:25+0000 <dachary> standalone 2011-06-02 23:10:46+0000 <romulo> dachary, where do i find the binaries? 2011-06-02 23:12:09+0000 <dachary> I beg your pardon ? 2011-06-02 23:14:51+0000 <romulo> ? 2011-06-02 23:15:12+0000 <dachary> What binaries ? 2011-06-02 23:15:36+0000 <romulo> jslint? 2011-06-02 23:15:39+0000 <romulo> or is it just a js? 2011-06-02 23:17:28+0000 <dachary> ah 2011-06-02 23:17:36+0000 <dachary> I compile it from jscoverage 2011-06-02 23:17:41+0000 <dachary> apt-get install jscoverage 2011-06-02 23:17:44+0000 <dachary> cd jscoverage-* 2011-06-02 23:17:46+0000 <dachary> ./configure 2011-06-02 23:17:48+0000 <dachary> make 2011-06-02 23:17:50+0000 <dachary> make install 2011-06-02 23:18:16+0000 <dachary> jslint is in the jscoverage source package but it is not compiled into a separate binary 2011-06-02 23:18:19+0000 <dachary> package 2011-06-02 23:18:38+0000 <dachary> I suppose there are many other ways to get it, but that's the one I use 2011-06-02 23:31:53+0000 <dachary> romulo: does this answer your question ?
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