Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-06-27.
2011-06-27 01:28:35+0000 chr15m (chr15m) is now online 2011-06-27 07:30:03+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-27 08:38:29+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-27 09:11:41+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-27 09:11:45+0000 <romulo> good morning 2011-06-27 09:12:13+0000 <romulo> antoviaque, the chat log tells me you want to talk to myself 2011-06-27 09:24:59+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-27 09:32:29+0000 <romulo> will be back soon, gotta go to working place 2011-06-27 09:44:17+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-27 09:56:59+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-27 10:16:18+0000 romulo (romulo) is now online 2011-06-27 10:19:54+0000 <chr15m> dachary: do you have a minute for me to ask you about something? 2011-06-27 10:24:43+0000 <dachary> sure 2011-06-27 10:25:01+0000 <dachary> chr15m: ^ 2011-06-27 10:25:19+0000 <chr15m> dachary: hmmm wait a minute, still thinking about it :) 2011-06-27 10:26:25+0000 <chr15m> dachary: action=message&sentence=SENTENCE should have a game_id also right? 2011-06-27 10:26:35+0000 <chr15m> dachary: or is chat shared between games? 2011-06-27 10:27:29+0000 <chr15m> dachary: and also player_id for the originating player 2011-06-27 10:27:34+0000 <dachary> it's shared. There is a good chance it will evolve into a per-game chat, but at the moment it's a global chat. 2011-06-27 10:28:12+0000 <dachary> and you need the player_id too, good point. That's missing from the ticket description. 2011-06-27 10:28:58+0000 <chr15m> dachary: ok i will implement it that way 2011-06-27 10:29:44+0000 <romulo> dachary, good morning/afternoon. I had a look at the example you sent me, no idea how that can solve my problem with game creation logging. From what i saw, i should check everything together at the end. Also, im wondering if there is any problem to log many messages for a single event. 2011-06-27 10:30:10+0000 <romulo> blanchard, ping 2011-06-27 10:31:03+0000 <dachary> romulo: I'm sorry I don't have time today to work with you on this. I'd be happy to answer specific questions though. 2011-06-27 10:32:09+0000 <romulo> dachary, no problem. Could you just answer then about the "many messages for a single event" ? ^ 2011-06-27 10:33:19+0000 <dachary> romulo: if by "log many message" you mean insert more than one database row when a game event happens, you can do that. 2011-06-27 10:34:02+0000 <romulo> dachary, ok, thanks, thats was what i needed to hear =] 2011-06-27 10:35:15+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-06-27 10:41:29+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, hey there. So... result is now ListType? 2011-06-27 10:41:48+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: yes. 2011-06-27 10:42:22+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, ah, I see, there are several results possible now 2011-06-27 10:42:40+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I wrote about it in yesterdays report http://dachary.org/?p=704 2011-06-27 10:42:57+0000 <dachary> I don't like to introduce backward incompatible changes but I felt it was not too harmful 2011-06-27 10:43:07+0000 <arbrandes> cool, thanks 2011-06-27 10:43:38+0000 <romulo> dachary, looks like http://farsides.com/activity/ got spammed :( 2011-06-27 10:44:15+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I suggest you read http://cardstori.es/trac/browser/plugins/auth/auth.py to see how I adapted the default auth module for this change 2011-06-27 10:44:42+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, yup, reading it now :) 2011-06-27 10:45:03+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: http://cardstori.es/ is currently running the latest git master revision 2011-06-27 10:46:30+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, roger that 2011-06-27 10:50:14+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, also, I'd like to bring something to your attention; it is in reference to #94, which it seems you'll be working on for the next few days. For django integration, I essentially translated index.html into a more django-friendly template, so that less HTML would be duplicated. I bring this up for two reasons: 1) if the whole django thing is going to get merged, it might be a good idea to do it sooner rather than later; 2) it may very well be 2011-06-27 10:50:14+0000 <arbrandes> that this move was not the best way to handle it, and if so, I'd need to revert it. 2011-06-27 10:51:43+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-27 10:54:17+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: if you can list the rules that I should follow to create CSS/HTML that is django friendly, I'll pay attention and ask questions if I'm not sure. I would be grateful if you could add this to #94. Hopefully you'll just need to cut/paste and it'll be django-ready when I'm done ;-) 2011-06-27 10:59:20+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, roger, I'll comment on #94, but maybe this is something I should worry about, rather than you: there's no difference in the CSS, only in the HTML, and they are two: 1) Django template tags (which you don't need to worry about, I'll merge changes manually later), and 2) all references to static resources should be prefixed with /static/, i.e. href=/static/js/jquery.cardstories.js. 2011-06-27 11:00:35+0000 <arbrandes> It doesn't make sense for you to do anything about this before django-auth is merged, I brought this up more as a heads up on possible conflicts ahead. :) 2011-06-27 11:01:24+0000 <dachary> regarding 2) I intentionaly make sure all references are relative so that cardstories can be placed in any subdirectory of the user choice and work as expected. I however understand the need of an absolute path in the django context. 2011-06-27 11:02:55+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, yep, I understand the relative path thing, and I think it's too bad that it won't work with django. It makes setting up a development environment harder, among other things. 2011-06-27 11:03:53+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, although... now that I think about it, I may be mistaken. Let me check something. 2011-06-27 11:09:01+0000 <arbrandes> Yup, it has to be /static/. I don't see an easy way to have django dynamically figure out where media lives. It can be done with some creative apache configuration and/or symlinks, but I believe that would just complicate matters. 2011-06-27 11:09:56+0000 <arbrandes> Well, that's that. Let me get back to the new poll thing. 2011-06-27 11:11:01+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, hey man, you there? 2011-06-27 11:12:03+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: what about putting it in settings.py for the project? 2011-06-27 11:12:26+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: and then in the template using {{ settings.STATIC_URL }} 2011-06-27 11:12:36+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: maybe i am completely on the wrong track here though :) 2011-06-27 11:13:55+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, sure, that makes sense, but I'm trying to minimize having users need to mess with settings.py. It may be the best option, though 2011-06-27 11:14:49+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, I'm also still a bit unsure about having the project depend *completely* on django template syntax, which is why I brought up the whole thing. :) 2011-06-27 11:15:13+0000 <dachary> chr15m: btw, the version currently installed at http://cardstori.es/ contains your anonymous patch 2011-06-27 11:15:15+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: yep, it's a commitment 2011-06-27 11:15:50+0000 <chr15m> dachary: cool :) 2011-06-27 11:16:16+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: you might be able to figure out the django static serve dynamically from os.path.abspath(os.path.dirname(__file__)) 2011-06-27 11:16:57+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: but actually i think i'm confusing static root with static URL 2011-06-27 11:17:32+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, I set that up for the built-in development server (if settings.DEBUG ... static.serve, etc), but everybody warns strongly against using that in production. 2011-06-27 11:17:47+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: ah yep of course 2011-06-27 11:20:48+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, about static root vs. static URL, both are at the root (pun not intended, hehehe) of the same problem: is there a way to have the HTML resources all have relative URLs, in such a way that does not overly complicate deployment AND development, AND does not compromise performance in production? 2011-06-27 11:21:32+0000 <arbrandes> (just to pose the problem, I really haven't found an easy answer yet) 2011-06-27 11:22:24+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: i'm afraid i don't understand the specific problem in this instance. you're running `./manage.py runserver` during development out of some subdirectory of the cardstories git? 2011-06-27 11:22:40+0000 <arbrandes> But if the Django community is to be believed, relative URL's aren't a good idea for production servers anyway. 2011-06-27 11:23:00+0000 <chr15m> i usually deploy with apache2 + mod_wsgi and the configuration is very small 2011-06-27 11:23:17+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, due to the nature of the beast, I'm not running the buit-in server at all 2011-06-27 11:23:30+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: ah ok, how are you serving for development? 2011-06-27 11:23:31+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, yup, using apache2 + wsgi 2011-06-27 11:23:44+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, let me explain why 2011-06-27 11:24:12+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes: well i think i understand already because of having a twisted server running along side at the same time 2011-06-27 11:24:17+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, apache needs to proxy requests to /resource to a the cardstories daemon itself 2011-06-27 11:24:25+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, yup, that's it 2011-06-27 11:24:31+0000 <chr15m> yeah 2011-06-27 11:24:43+0000 <arbrandes> Before django, though, 2011-06-27 11:24:56+0000 <arbrandes> There was no need for any such proxying 2011-06-27 11:25:11+0000 <chr15m> so but you are running apache for development on yr local machine? 2011-06-27 11:25:13+0000 <arbrandes> Because either twisted or nginx would just serve up a static index.html 2011-06-27 11:25:20+0000 <arbrandes> chr15m, yes 2011-06-27 11:25:23+0000 <chr15m> ah ok 2011-06-27 11:25:31+0000 <arbrandes> and it's a bit of a pain, to be sure hehehe 2011-06-27 11:25:37+0000 <chr15m> hmmmm 2011-06-27 11:26:08+0000 <arbrandes> but I don't see a way around it, yet 2011-06-27 11:26:17+0000 <chr15m> what about in settings.py by default you have: TWISTED_RESOURCE_URL="http://localhost:5000/resource"; 2011-06-27 11:26:39+0000 <chr15m> and then run the twisted daemon and runserver side by side? 2011-06-27 11:26:50+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 11:26:56+0000 <arbrandes_> (ack, damn 3G, sorry if I missed anything) 2011-06-27 11:27:04+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-06-27 11:27:06+0000 <chr15m> (07:26:09 PM) arbrandes: but I don't see a way around it, yet 2011-06-27 11:27:06+0000 <chr15m> (07:26:18 PM) chr15m: what about in settings.py by default you have: TWISTED_RESOURCE_URL="http://localhost:5000/resource"; 2011-06-27 11:27:06+0000 <chr15m> (07:26:39 PM) chr15m: and then run the twisted daemon and runserver side by side? 2011-06-27 11:27:20+0000 <chr15m> or inside Django you could have a view that actually does a proxy to the twisted daemon 2011-06-27 11:27:28+0000 <chr15m> it would be like two lines of code :) 2011-06-27 11:27:41+0000 <chr15m> and that view could be on a url which gets mapped away (ignored) by apache 2011-06-27 11:27:57+0000 <dachary> does someone know how to ask make to display the filename + line number when it runs a command ? 2011-06-27 11:28:23+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, those are both great ideas 2011-06-27 11:28:45+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes_: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/django-http-proxy/0.3 2011-06-27 11:29:01+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, that was exactly what I was going to ask! ;) 2011-06-27 11:29:57+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes_: i have not used that before myself but it should do the job 2011-06-27 11:30:58+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, I'm going to try the first option to begin with, though, it looks safer (for now). 2011-06-27 11:31:13+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, ah, problem 2011-06-27 11:31:21+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, cross domain cookies 2011-06-27 11:31:34+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, so the proxy it is :) 2011-06-27 11:31:38+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes_: yep :) 2011-06-27 11:32:20+0000 <chr15m> arbrandes_: i think it will simplify things especially because under apache it will look identical (e.g. that django code will just get skipped and replaced by apache) 2011-06-27 11:33:37+0000 <arbrandes_> chr15m, yes, this would just be used for development 2011-06-27 11:34:41+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-06-27 11:37:05+0000 <mtyaka> hi everybody 2011-06-27 11:37:45+0000 <arbrandes_> hey mtyaka 2011-06-27 11:37:46+0000 <mtyaka> there were some changes checked into the cardstories repository yesterday 2011-06-27 11:38:05+0000 <mtyaka> after i pulled the changes, some of the javascript tests fail for me... 2011-06-27 11:38:17+0000 <mtyaka> i am not sure whether the problem is on my side or not 2011-06-27 11:38:25+0000 <mtyaka> i tried clearing the cookies and it doesn't seem to help 2011-06-27 11:38:52+0000 <mtyaka> the failures all revolve around a url... 2011-06-27 11:38:57+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: there were disruptive changes indeed 2011-06-27 11:38:59+0000 <arbrandes_> mtyaka, I don't think it's a problem with you, dachary made some backward incompatible changes yesterday: http://dachary.org/?p=704 2011-06-27 11:39:15+0000 <mtyaka> Expected: "../resource?action=state&type=lobby&player_id=15&in_progress=true&my=true" 2011-06-27 11:39:28+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: I think it won't be much but it will interfere with your changes. 2011-06-27 11:39:32+0000 <mtyaka> Result: "../resource?action=state&type=lobby&modified=0&player_id=15&in_progress=true&my=true" 2011-06-27 11:39:55+0000 <mtyaka> the difference is that the actual url includes "modified=0" 2011-06-27 11:40:01+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/b9523045ce1ff6d4445acde690f5b8a5c0de7a81#file3 2011-06-27 11:40:20+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: and this is how I had to adapt the tests http://cardstori.es/trac/changeset/b9523045ce1ff6d4445acde690f5b8a5c0de7a81#file4 2011-06-27 11:40:49+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: you are correct, it involves adding modified=0 in some cases and spliting action=game into action=state&type=game 2011-06-27 11:41:13+0000 <dachary> as you can see from the changes in the url above, they are not sophisticated but there are a few 2011-06-27 11:41:55+0000 <mtyaka> yes... i already merged in your changes - should i still be getting failures? 2011-06-27 11:48:17+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: no, it should work. 2011-06-27 11:48:28+0000 <dachary> let me check again 2011-06-27 11:49:07+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: I have tons of errors too... 2011-06-27 11:49:44+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: let me fix this and trying to figure out how I missed such a huge failure 2011-06-27 11:50:26+0000 <mtyaka> ok, thanks 2011-06-27 11:50:41+0000 <dachary> indeed, as you point out, it's simply a matter of adding modified=0 2011-06-27 11:52:17+0000 <mtyaka> dachary: i have another question regarding the beforeunload handler at the end of jquery.cardstories.js 2011-06-27 11:52:36+0000 <mtyaka> the handler sets $.cardstories.error to a noop function 2011-06-27 11:53:07+0000 <mtyaka> what is the motivation behind this/why is this needed? 2011-06-27 11:53:48+0000 <mtyaka> i'm trying to understand the reason behind it so that I know how to test it :) 2011-06-27 11:55:07+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: you should be able to pull & run the tests successfully now. I apologize for the inconvenience. 2011-06-27 11:55:20+0000 <mtyaka> no problem, will do 2011-06-27 11:57:01+0000 <dachary> setting error to a noop is to prevent a race condition where the ajax returns while the page is being unloaded. There is no guarantee that it will be handled properly and any error can be silently ignored. 2011-06-27 11:57:36+0000 <mtyaka> i see 2011-06-27 11:57:52+0000 <mtyaka> it's a bit hard to test 2011-06-27 11:58:39+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: maybe so. Trying to fake a failed ajax call when the page is actually unloaded is probably mission impossible ;-) 2011-06-27 11:58:39+0000 <mtyaka> can we set it to $.noop or perhaps create $.cardstories.noop, so that in the test I could just assert the $.cardstories.error points to $.noop? 2011-06-27 11:58:53+0000 <mtyaka> hehe, yes 2011-06-27 12:00:09+0000 <dachary> yes, you can noop: function() {} and set error = noop in the handler so that you can override noop for test purposes. If that's what you have in mind. 2011-06-27 12:03:10+0000 <mtyaka> yes, that's what I meant 2011-06-27 12:03:18+0000 <mtyaka> ok, cool, will do that 2011-06-27 12:03:24+0000 <mtyaka> i have to run for lunch now 2011-06-27 12:03:38+0000 <mtyaka> thanks for the help 2011-06-27 12:06:14+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 12:43:29+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-27 13:10:24+0000 <chr15m> dachary: i am going to send you my rough outline of chat.py plugin so far - can you please provide feedback for me and let me know if it looks like i am on the right track? 2011-06-27 13:13:45+0000 <dachary> sure 2011-06-27 13:13:57+0000 <dachary> good timing 2011-06-27 13:14:11+0000 <chr15m> writing it now :) 2011-06-27 13:18:36+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 13:22:10+0000 <chr15m> alright, goodnight all 2011-06-27 13:22:20+0000 <romulo> night =] 2011-06-27 13:34:41+0000 <xrogaan_> arbrandes_: so, any luck with this channel ? 'know, about bringing up a topic or something :p 2011-06-27 13:34:54+0000 <xrogaan_> (also, do you still hire people ?) 2011-06-27 13:36:42+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-06-27 13:49:08+0000 <arbrandes_> xrogaan_, lots of luck, depending on what you mean, hehehe 2011-06-27 13:49:59+0000 <arbrandes_> xrogaan_, about hiring, you should talk to antoviaque, I'm just a groupie (at least for now :) 2011-06-27 13:52:18+0000 <xrogaan_> man, you both start with a 2011-06-27 13:52:34+0000 <xrogaan_> and don't peer on me, do you understand ?! 2011-06-27 13:58:30+0000 * xrogaan_ is looking at antoviaque then 2011-06-27 14:08:43+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 15:42:02+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes_: hello :) 2011-06-27 15:42:20+0000 <arbrandes_> blanchard, hi there! :) 2011-06-27 15:42:36+0000 <blanchard> I'm in meetings all day today :(, but tomorrow if you have a little time i'd like to exchange about scrum :) 2011-06-27 15:42:44+0000 <blanchard> possible for you ? 2011-06-27 15:43:54+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes_: ^ 2011-06-27 15:44:20+0000 <blanchard> i'll try to grab you on the chat 2011-06-27 15:45:11+0000 <blanchard> also i've got your feedback on the contract, missing time today but i'll look tomorrow 2011-06-27 15:48:49+0000 <arbrandes_> blanchard, I'll do my best! I have a long-sad-story about tomorrow and the day after, which boils down to this: I'm stuck at the beach until I can take my motorcycle to a bike shop, but the nearest bike shop is two towns away, so I'll have to (literally) camp there for two days until they finish working on it. I'm not sure I will have easy access to electrical outlets, so I don't really know how available I'll be. 2011-06-27 15:49:18+0000 <arbrandes_> Also, this all depends on the weather... in any case, I'll try to be here as much as I can. :) 2011-06-27 15:49:39+0000 <blanchard> haha the beach constraints, poor you :p 2011-06-27 15:49:51+0000 <blanchard> no worry though 2011-06-27 15:49:53+0000 <arbrandes_> blanchard, heheheh, I'm not REALLY complaining. :) 2011-06-27 15:50:24+0000 <blanchard> i'll post my thoughts about scrum for us on buddypress, and you can react on it when you're back online, no hurry 2011-06-27 15:50:52+0000 <arbrandes_> blanchard, ok, that sounds good to me, and it also gives us an opportunity to please antoviaque by using buddypress. ;) 2011-06-27 15:51:11+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2011-06-27 15:51:14+0000 <blanchard> perfect 2011-06-27 15:51:23+0000 <blanchard> back to meetings ttyl 2011-06-27 15:52:14+0000 <arbrandes_> later! 2011-06-27 16:20:12+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 16:22:20+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-06-27 16:45:54+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-06-27 19:03:26+0000 arbrandes__ (arbrandes__) is now online 2011-06-27 19:18:03+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 19:20:05+0000 arbrandes__ (arbrandes__) is now online 2011-06-27 19:50:36+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-06-27 20:44:45+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 21:35:39+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-06-27 21:39:08+0000 arbrandes__ (arbrandes__) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
