Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-07-25.
2011-07-25 01:35:39+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-07-25 06:50:08+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-07-25 07:58:05+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-07-25 08:02:25+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-07-25 08:17:24+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-07-25 08:55:53+0000 <blanchard1> on my local install of CS, I get an internal server error at step 2 (once i write the story). Is it known to you already ? 2011-07-25 08:56:24+0000 <antoviaque> hum, no - last version of the repository? 2011-07-25 08:56:36+0000 <blanchard1> from yesterday yes 2011-07-25 08:57:05+0000 <antoviaque> maybe it's the latest changes from this week then - could be worth reporting a bug : ) 2011-07-25 08:57:22+0000 <antoviaque> there was work on this step 2011-07-25 09:01:25+0000 <blanchard1> ok - http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/252 2011-07-25 09:01:30+0000 <antoviaque> thx! 2011-07-25 09:03:05+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-07-25 09:03:11+0000 <antoviaque> hi mtyaka! 2011-07-25 09:03:31+0000 <mtyaka> hi! 2011-07-25 09:04:12+0000 <blanchard1> hi mtyaka :) 2011-07-25 09:53:59+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-07-25 10:49:02+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now offline 2011-07-25 11:12:18+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-07-25 11:36:09+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-07-25 11:36:54+0000 <arbrandes> Hiyah, doods 2011-07-25 11:37:45+0000 <mtyaka> hey, arbrandes! 2011-07-25 11:39:00+0000 <arbrandes> hey man, everything alright? 2011-07-25 11:39:10+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-07-25 11:46:07+0000 <mtyaka> i've been without electricity for almost a whole day.... other than that, everything's alright : ) 2011-07-25 11:46:23+0000 <antoviaque> hi arbrandes, hi mtyaka : ) 2011-07-25 11:46:47+0000 <mtyaka> hi antoviaque 2011-07-25 11:47:04+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: at least it forces to do stuff without electonic tools involved - I like that about electricity cuts ;p 2011-07-25 11:47:15+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, ack, I hate not having electricity! 2011-07-25 11:47:19+0000 <arbrandes> hey antoviaque! 2011-07-25 11:47:21+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-07-25 11:47:38+0000 <mtyaka> true - both of you : ) 2011-07-25 12:00:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> meeting time! :D 2011-07-25 12:01:44+0000 <antoviaque> yey!! 2011-07-25 12:01:45+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-07-25 12:05:18+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: blanchard: dachary: mtyaka: tartarugafeliz: and al: meeting? :) 2011-07-25 12:05:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hurray! 2011-07-25 12:05:29+0000 <arbrandes> m3333333ting! 2011-07-25 12:06:11+0000 <arbrandes> Who wants to start today? 2011-07-25 12:06:56+0000 <antoviaque> I can start : ) 2011-07-25 12:07:06+0000 <antoviaque> but I haven't got time to write my copy&paste ;p 2011-07-25 12:07:31+0000 <arbrandes> hahahaha, np, antoviaque :) 2011-07-25 12:08:01+0000 <antoviaque> So I have: wrote a page about the repository, posted about it on the buddypress 2011-07-25 12:08:07+0000 <antoviaque> deleted spam fro mthe buddypress 2011-07-25 12:08:14+0000 <antoviaque> 121 with adolfo : ) 2011-07-25 12:08:18+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2011-07-25 12:08:40+0000 <antoviaque> catched up with the buddypress in general, and now I'm in the middle of my 1500 late emails ;p 2011-07-25 12:09:35+0000 <antoviaque> and for afterwars I haven't done a list yet, but I have administrative stuff to take care of 2011-07-25 12:09:50+0000 <arbrandes> I feel for you. :) Anything we can do to help? 2011-07-25 12:09:50+0000 <antoviaque> I hope to finish on time to be able to take a task tomorrow : ) 2011-07-25 12:10:33+0000 <antoviaque> not that I can think of nope 2011-07-25 12:10:41+0000 <antoviaque> but if I do I'll shout : ) 2011-07-25 12:11:16+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, cook 2011-07-25 12:11:18+0000 <arbrandes> My turn: 2011-07-25 12:11:51+0000 <arbrandes> On Friday I created tasks for #194 and took on and finished some of the HTML/CSS ones, so that mtyaka could work on animation on the weekend. 2011-07-25 12:12:18+0000 <arbrandes> Today will work on some more HTML/CSS, this time on the info box, and will also implement behavior (time allowing). Working on exposing my branch of cardstories on my server, too, so people can see what I'm working on. 2011-07-25 12:12:51+0000 <arbrandes> To finish my tasks, I'm going to need tartarugafeliz's excellent slices. :) 2011-07-25 12:12:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> today I'll work on #251 #247 #243 :) 2011-07-25 12:13:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you need those to continue? 2011-07-25 12:13:12+0000 <blanchard> sorry i'm late ! 2011-07-25 12:13:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> are you stuck because of me? 2011-07-25 12:13:57+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, not really stuck, no, I've been "slicing" placeholders from the pngs while I wait. :) But of course, to finish I'll need the official ones. 2011-07-25 12:14:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ohh you already used everything I did? 2011-07-25 12:14:41+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, not really, I'm actually "before" the ones you did 2011-07-25 12:14:52+0000 <arbrandes> mostly from mockup 0 2011-07-25 12:14:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but then... 2011-07-25 12:15:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I thought you were working on the same mockups as me 2011-07-25 12:15:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> which elements did you have to slice? 2011-07-25 12:15:52+0000 <arbrandes> The deck of cards, top/left, and the "steps" bar for mockup 0 2011-07-25 12:15:56+0000 <arbrandes> But don't worry 2011-07-25 12:16:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok, Ill do that now :) 2011-07-25 12:16:12+0000 <arbrandes> Everything you're doing will be eventually used, and I didn't get stuck :) 2011-07-25 12:16:35+0000 <antoviaque> yup, would be good to sort out how this happened after the meeting 2011-07-25 12:16:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok its just to understand better if we're all working on the same mockups or not 2011-07-25 12:17:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because that's what I understood from our meetings 2011-07-25 12:17:10+0000 <arbrandes> This bit of confusion arose, I think, because of the lack of tasks for tartarugafeliz 2011-07-25 12:17:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> maybe I understood wrong, but I can just start from 0 and go to the end even if I don't have tasks if it helps 2011-07-25 12:17:39+0000 <arbrandes> But it's no biggy, this is what daily meetings are for 2011-07-25 12:17:49+0000 <antoviaque> okidok 2011-07-25 12:18:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I know, its no biggy I'm just trying to understand (I'm slower⦠hahahaha) 2011-07-25 12:18:07+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, the best thing, when in doubt, is to follow the order of stories, not necessarily mockups 2011-07-25 12:18:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok! 2011-07-25 12:18:51+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, this time, the order of mockups is basically the same of the stories, but one day it might not be true... HOWEVER, the biggest person to blame for this is me, because your tasks should have already been created. ;) 2011-07-25 12:19:20+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, then 2011-07-25 12:19:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its too tight for you right now arbrandes? 2011-07-25 12:19:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can I help you with this? 2011-07-25 12:19:30+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: np - and don't hesitate if I can help with this part 2011-07-25 12:19:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> maybe I can create my tasks 2011-07-25 12:20:09+0000 <antoviaque> or better yep - tartarugafeliz could creat the tasks, then you just have to review them arbrandes 2011-07-25 12:20:18+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, antoviaque, thanks for the offer, maybe the design tasks can be delegated, yes 2011-07-25 12:20:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) ok! 2011-07-25 12:20:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I like to be my boss hahahah 2011-07-25 12:20:38+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-07-25 12:21:34+0000 <arbrandes> heheheheh, ok, then ;) tartarugafeliz, you can use the ones I created as a template. When creating a task, specify what you'll be slicing / animating in video. 2011-07-25 12:22:22+0000 <arbrandes> Try to keep the goal of the story in mind (as opposed to the whole mockup; sometimes there are more than one story per mockup) 2011-07-25 12:22:35+0000 <arbrandes> *there is more 2011-07-25 12:22:58+0000 <arbrandes> Finally, don't forget to put the story number on the "parent task" field 2011-07-25 12:24:01+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, last-but-not-least, the order of task creation (and execution) should follow closely the order of the stories themselves 2011-07-25 12:24:07+0000 <arbrandes> (Phew, I think that's it, heheheh) 2011-07-25 12:24:41+0000 <blanchard> what a beautiful workflow this is :) 2011-07-25 12:24:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-07-25 12:25:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm afraid to do it now hhahaha 2011-07-25 12:25:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> after so many specifications ahahahhaha 2011-07-25 12:25:13+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard :) 2011-07-25 12:25:17+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online 2011-07-25 12:25:18+0000 * antoviaque likes arbrandes workflow too :D 2011-07-25 12:25:31+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, don't worry, it becomes automatic once you've done 2 or 3, hahahah 2011-07-25 12:25:32+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: let yourself flow with the beauty of the workflow :) 2011-07-25 12:25:39+0000 * tartarugafeliz is copying the workflow 2011-07-25 12:25:42+0000 * antoviaque just heard tartarugafeliz say "I'm going to copy this to remember" ahahahah 2011-07-25 12:25:57+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahhaa 2011-07-25 12:26:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's why it takes so much of your time 2011-07-25 12:26:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's not easy task! 2011-07-25 12:26:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaahah 2011-07-25 12:26:23+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-07-25 12:26:37+0000 <antoviaque> it isn't an easy task actually - task definition is important : ) 2011-07-25 12:26:54+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: I'm not sure it's my turn yet, let me know, but i'd like to take a -small- task :) 2011-07-25 12:27:10+0000 <arbrandes> Hehehe, yup, it takes a while, and as antoviaque, it's important. It might seem a bit bureaucratic at first, but it's valuable for the rest of the team to know what's happening. 2011-07-25 12:27:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you can go 2011-07-25 12:27:16+0000 <arbrandes> *as antoviaque says 2011-07-25 12:27:21+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-07-25 12:27:24+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, go ahead, dude! :) 2011-07-25 12:27:27+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2011-07-25 12:27:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> duuude 2011-07-25 12:27:35+0000 <arbrandes> heheheheh 2011-07-25 12:27:41+0000 <blanchard> I'd like your help on that dude, 2 constraints : 2011-07-25 12:28:02+0000 <blanchard> 1) I only have tomorrow to work on it, I won't be able the rest of the week 2011-07-25 12:28:28+0000 <blanchard> 2) I am very beginner ! I only know a little bit of css 2011-07-25 12:28:45+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, let's see what tasks we have 2011-07-25 12:28:47+0000 <blanchard> So if there is a task like a small css bug bug to fix it would be perfect 2011-07-25 12:29:00+0000 * arbrandes looking at http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/194 2011-07-25 12:29:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the constraint number 2 is really cute 2011-07-25 12:29:31+0000 <blanchard> isn't it tartarugafeliz dude ? 2011-07-25 12:29:35+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-07-25 12:29:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap duuuude 2011-07-25 12:29:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha 2011-07-25 12:29:49+0000 <arbrandes> hheehehehe 2011-07-25 12:30:14+0000 <blanchard> I'm a dude who writes cute stuff, yeah 2011-07-25 12:30:24+0000 <antoviaque> my god :) 2011-07-25 12:30:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll make a drawing of you saying that and we'll publish on our blog 2011-07-25 12:30:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it can even be a new card! :D 2011-07-25 12:30:58+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/61 would seem easy enough (including the flyer) but i'm afraid it's outside the sprint ? 2011-07-25 12:31:30+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: hahaha :) 2011-07-25 12:31:32+0000 <antoviaque> we need to have some kind of a bash file - blanchard's last line is antologic :D :p 2011-07-25 12:31:39+0000 <arbrandes> I was going to suggest http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/248 2011-07-25 12:31:43+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard ^ 2011-07-25 12:31:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but the design will be different on the first page arbrandes 2011-07-25 12:31:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I won't use exactly what's on the flyer 2011-07-25 12:32:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I need to design that btw 2011-07-25 12:32:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ITS A NEW TASK! :D 2011-07-25 12:32:13+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, blanchard, yeah, the problem with #61 is that it requires some design work from tartarugafeliz 2011-07-25 12:32:38+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, blanchard, unless of course she creates a new task for it ;) 2011-07-25 12:32:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> exactly. 2011-07-25 12:32:51+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, including stuff in the sprint is no problem 2011-07-25 12:32:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we're on the same page here 2011-07-25 12:33:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I can't create tasks antoviaque, can you give me full permissions please? RA 2011-07-25 12:33:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> RA! I did it already, sorry 2011-07-25 12:33:36+0000 * blanchard looking at 248 2011-07-25 12:33:37+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, if you prefer #61, what we can do is make it into a story, and then create design and css tasks for it 2011-07-25 12:33:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I already have full permission 2011-07-25 12:33:48+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: ahahah 2011-07-25 12:34:18+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: I can try the 248 tomorrow. I'm not sure what I'll need to know for that but I can give it a try 2011-07-25 12:34:32+0000 <blanchard> and I'll do the 61 the next time 2011-07-25 12:34:43+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: I think the developers rights should allow you to do the tasks - but if you're stuck let me know 2011-07-25 12:35:10+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, it's mostly just HTML/CSS, just like #61. For #248 you'd need to put together the info box on https://gitorious.org/farsides/farsides/blobs/master/cardstories/board%20interface/Author/0a.png ("This game is about creativity") 2011-07-25 12:35:28+0000 <blanchard> yep, I get it 2011-07-25 12:35:31+0000 <arbrandes> No need to do any Javascript, there's another ticket for that 2011-07-25 12:35:51+0000 <antoviaque> you may be missing the right to put in the correct status - but not sure how arbrandes wants to proceed with tasks reviews/attribution 2011-07-25 12:35:56+0000 <arbrandes> But as I said, if you're more comfortable with #61, it's no problem at all to include it 2011-07-25 12:36:23+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: no worry, I'll go for 248 2011-07-25 12:36:27+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I once the task is created, the team should be able to assign them to themselves anyway 2011-07-25 12:36:49+0000 <arbrandes> *assign it 2011-07-25 12:37:52+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, cool, blanchard gets #248, then! Welcome to Pig World, dude! :P 2011-07-25 12:38:05+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: for the 61, i was thinking that the flyer is cool, and that we just need to add alittle text below to explain the steps. But I reckon you have something else in mind :), what is it ? 2011-07-25 12:38:20+0000 <blanchard> Yeah I'm a to become pig ! 2011-07-25 12:38:22+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ok, I'll relax the rules on the status 2011-07-25 12:38:27+0000 <antoviaque> ...change 2011-07-25 12:41:34+0000 <arbrandes> I changed #61 to a user story; I'm tentatively including it in this sprint, since there's already a task for it. :) 2011-07-25 12:43:06+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: ping me at the end of the meeting there's a small admin thing i need to discuss with you :) 2011-07-25 12:43:25+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, will do 2011-07-25 12:43:32+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, your turn, man! 2011-07-25 12:43:33+0000 <blanchard> nothing else on my side 2011-07-25 12:43:49+0000 <mtyaka> ok... moment 2011-07-25 12:43:51+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-07-25 12:43:55+0000 <antoviaque> change done for the rights - if something blocks let me know 2011-07-25 12:45:20+0000 <arbrandes> thanks, antoviaque 2011-07-25 12:46:47+0000 <mtyaka> sorry for the delay... baby was crying 2011-07-25 12:46:56+0000 <mtyaka> i worked on #241 and #245 2011-07-25 12:47:14+0000 <mtyaka> #241 is done, i just need to create a proper patch 2011-07-25 12:47:31+0000 <mtyaka> blah... 2011-07-25 12:47:41+0000 <mtyaka> that was supposed to be #244 not #241 2011-07-25 12:48:08+0000 <mtyaka> with #245 i ran into a problem 2011-07-25 12:49:05+0000 <mtyaka> the javascript tests were failing, because of the changes made to the HTML structure in #241 and #242 (which I based my work off of) 2011-07-25 12:49:42+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, oops, my bad about #24[12] 2011-07-25 12:50:06+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: never mind, i got most of the tests working already 2011-07-25 12:50:23+0000 <arbrandes> In the future I think I'll create separate tasks for updating tests (in addition to writing the new ones) 2011-07-25 12:50:33+0000 <mtyaka> the animation is also almost finish - i would have finished it today if it wasn't for the electricity cut 2011-07-25 12:50:46+0000 <mtyaka> s/finish/finished/ 2011-07-25 12:51:06+0000 <mtyaka> i think #244 and #245 will be finished tomorrow 2011-07-25 12:51:23+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, sounds good! Is anything blocking you? 2011-07-25 12:51:35+0000 <mtyaka> nope, nothing :) 2011-07-25 12:52:42+0000 <arbrandes> Awesome! (Congratulations on the baby, by the way. :)) 2011-07-25 12:52:46+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: do you think there is anything i should be careful about wrt the tests for #241 and #242? 2011-07-25 12:53:26+0000 <mtyaka> heh, thanks! 2011-07-25 12:54:03+0000 <antoviaque> yep, congratz mtyaka :) 2011-07-25 12:54:22+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I'm not very familiar yet will all the js tests, and since I haven't seen how they broke... I have no tips, sorry. But if you get stuck, ping me and I'll do my best to help. 2011-07-25 12:54:31+0000 <blanchard> +1 congratz mtyaka :) 2011-07-25 12:55:48+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, what I can tell you, though, is that from what I've seen the tests aren't all prepared for the new HTML structure of the board, and they tend to fail in interesting ways, hehehe 2011-07-25 12:56:05+0000 <arbrandes> (which is another way of saying "I don't know", lol) 2011-07-25 12:56:40+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: heh, ok :) the failures confused me very much.... because i thought the breakage was caused by my animation code 2011-07-25 12:57:22+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I had the same problem in #231. Spent a few hours figuring the same thing out, hehehe 2011-07-25 12:57:45+0000 <mtyaka> only after about an hour of sprinkling console.log and alert statements all over the code did it occur to me that perhaps the problems lies somewhere else :) 2011-07-25 12:59:08+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, until we get the basic "instincts" for this testing structure (which I for one certainly don't have yet), I think we'll both be stumbling a bit in the beginning. :) 2011-07-25 13:00:18+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: yeah, i know what you mean... but anyway, the feeling after the tests all pass again is certainly a satisfying one 2011-07-25 13:00:45+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehe, most definitely ;) 2011-07-25 13:00:52+0000 <arbrandes> Ok then, I think this is it for the meeting 2011-07-25 13:00:54+0000 <arbrandes> Thanks everybody 2011-07-25 13:01:08+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, anything to add? 2011-07-25 13:01:16+0000 <antoviaque> nope, all good : ) 2011-07-25 13:01:20+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for the meeting! :) 2011-07-25 13:01:37+0000 <mtyaka> thanks everyone :) 2011-07-25 13:01:38+0000 <arbrandes> okeydoke :) 2011-07-25 13:02:07+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, I'm all yours! 2011-07-25 13:02:44+0000 <blanchard> yey 2011-07-25 13:03:31+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: the end of the month is coming, i'm starting to prepare the payments, I need to know the method for you 2011-07-25 13:03:43+0000 <blanchard> could be wire transfer or paypal 2011-07-25 13:04:23+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, I have a PayPal account, so we could use that. I haven't ever tried actually withdrawing, but I don't think there'll be problems. 2011-07-25 13:05:10+0000 <blanchard> i haven't tried either. You want to check before we confirm paypal ? 2011-07-25 13:05:19+0000 <blanchard> though i agree it should be ok 2011-07-25 13:06:37+0000 * arbrandes checking now 2011-07-25 13:06:59+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: we'll base the monthly invoice on the list of merge paid tasks, do you want to take care of preparing the invoice and send it to me ? 2011-07-25 13:07:22+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, certainly 2011-07-25 13:08:18+0000 <blanchard> I don't know yet what is the amount of paid tasks, haven't checked yet, but i reckon it won't be up to the monthly amount we discussed, will that be ok ? 2011-07-25 13:09:49+0000 <blanchard> because you've done a lot of additional work other than the usual paid tasks, that's the reason why i ask :) 2011-07-25 13:09:56+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: ^ 2011-07-25 13:11:27+0000 <blanchard> after a quick look, I see 103 paid hours merged 2011-07-25 13:11:57+0000 <blanchard> no i'm wrong, i included a story. 93 hours actually 2011-07-25 13:12:16+0000 <blanchard> 90. I'm getting there 2011-07-25 13:12:19+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, antoviaque brought that up in the 121, there is just one task (#231) which I'd like to re-estimate based on the actual work done, but the discussion was postponed for a bit. Regarding the rest, I'm fine with whatever redmine says. :) 2011-07-25 13:12:49+0000 <arbrandes> Just one question, though: the cutoff date is precisely the last day of the month? 2011-07-25 13:12:58+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yep - if there are some tasks we can reestimate, I'd be happy to have a look at them 2011-07-25 13:13:06+0000 <blanchard> it's flexible arbrandes :) 2011-07-25 13:13:22+0000 <blanchard> it's just that i try to take care of everybody more or less at the same time 2011-07-25 13:13:26+0000 <blanchard> for convenience 2011-07-25 13:13:44+0000 <blanchard> but i can delay of 2 days for a task to be merged for instance 2011-07-25 13:16:08+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, as long as it's the about the same day every month, I'm ok with that. For this month, though, if you don't mind I'd like to have the chance to include the next 5 or 6 days, especially so that I can catch up a bit. :) 2011-07-25 13:16:38+0000 <blanchard> it gives me time to fund the paypal account so it's good for me :p 2011-07-25 13:16:52+0000 <blanchard> and then we can say the last day of the month, in the future 2011-07-25 13:17:03+0000 <arbrandes> That sounds perfect to me 2011-07-25 13:18:10+0000 <blanchard> one last thing. If you can include the number of hours that you find on your side when you send me the invoice, it would my life for the tracking, thanks in advance 2011-07-25 13:18:34+0000 <blanchard> so I wait for your paypal confirmation, then for your invoice in 5-6 days, and I think we're good to go 2011-07-25 13:18:45+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: ^ 2011-07-25 13:18:59+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, don't worry, what I plan to do is to leverage redmine as much as I can for the actual invoice, so you'll hopefully be able to both use that and to confirm it easily :) 2011-07-25 13:19:12+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, and I just confirmed paypal will work 2011-07-25 13:19:14+0000 <blanchard> cooool :) 2011-07-25 13:19:16+0000 <arbrandes> so we're all good 2011-07-25 13:19:24+0000 <blanchard> that was easy 2011-07-25 13:19:43+0000 <blanchard> partly thanks to a perfect workflow, aint it 2011-07-25 13:20:03+0000 <arbrandes> hahahhaha, well, I'm not sure it's perfect, but I think it'll do the job :) 2011-07-25 13:20:07+0000 <blanchard> thanks a lot arbrandes 2011-07-25 13:20:45+0000 <arbrandes> thank *you*, blanchard! :) 2011-07-25 13:33:30+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: and let me know which tickets you want to look at 2011-07-25 13:38:03+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, the only one is http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/231: I estimated 6 hours, but ended up spending 19. 2011-07-25 13:39:18+0000 <antoviaque> it's the one on which you learned the client and how to animate there, right? 2011-07-25 13:39:24+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ^ 2011-07-25 13:39:33+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, exactly 2011-07-25 13:39:49+0000 <antoviaque> so seems really fair to extend - ok for me 2011-07-25 13:40:01+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok, thanks a lot :) 2011-07-25 13:40:05+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-07-25 13:49:42+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, when you get the time, please take a look at #255 and #256. To sum up, this is basically time I'm spending to make it easier to deploy cardstories / django so that what I'm currently working on is more visible. Do you agree with the estimates? 2011-07-25 13:53:30+0000 * blanchard just out of a meeting with http://www.game-connection.com/ 2011-07-25 13:53:41+0000 <blanchard> good place for contacts but expensive 2011-07-25 13:54:06+0000 <blanchard> 500⬠for basic fee (not many meetings), 2k⬠for as many meetings as we want 2011-07-25 13:54:09+0000 <blanchard> so 2011-07-25 13:54:49+0000 <blanchard> I've suggested to organize a round table on decentralized production / free to play and see if we can have some kind of free entrance in exchange :p 2011-07-25 13:54:55+0000 <blanchard> we'll see 2011-07-25 13:55:56+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, looks really cool 2011-07-25 13:56:44+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: we could prove them that it works by setting up a cam and having you participate in the round table ;) 2011-07-25 13:56:57+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, hahahah, awesome, I'm in! :) 2011-07-25 13:57:04+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-07-25 14:48:14+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: +1 for the 2 tasks, especially #256, I was wondering what was the best practice for this on django : ) 2011-07-25 14:48:21+0000 <antoviaque> they are good for me 2011-07-25 14:48:53+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: ahahah, ok for me : ) 2011-07-25 14:49:40+0000 <antoviaque> but best prepare it well, because if for some reason the webcam setup doesn't work, it will get you some laughs :p (even if it's the fault of their crappy wifi) 2011-07-25 14:49:58+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok, thanks 2011-07-25 14:50:54+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: but good idea - I guess this could appeal to this type of audiene :) 2011-07-25 14:50:59+0000 <antoviaque> audience 2011-07-25 16:14:41+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-07-25 16:47:06+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/256 turned out to be a bit longer than I expected. It's done, but tell me if I can update the estimated time according to the spent time. 2011-07-25 16:47:43+0000 <arbrandes> btw, http://arbrandes.homelinux.com:8080 will now be updated daily with the latest stuff I'm working on, as we discussed earlier. :) 2011-07-25 17:02:18+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: sorry to ask, but to be fair with everyone who had to justify reestimates I need to ask: what unexpected things did make it last longer? 2011-07-25 17:02:34+0000 <antoviaque> and cool for the test version :D 2011-07-25 17:02:39+0000 * antoviaque is testing 2011-07-25 18:00:01+0000 <arbrandes> back 2011-07-25 18:00:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, no problem 2011-07-25 18:00:12+0000 <antoviaque> re : ) 2011-07-25 18:00:51+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, what took longer is that basically I studied dachary's debian packaging scheme to try to find a way to handle local_settings.py in there 2011-07-25 18:01:24+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, but in the end I couldn't even test it because the current packaging scheme doesn't work on Ubuntu 10.04, which is what I have 2011-07-25 18:01:28+0000 <arbrandes> (on the server, I mean) 2011-07-25 18:01:56+0000 <antoviaque> ah true - I always forget the packing part :p 2011-07-25 18:02:08+0000 <antoviaque> ok for me then : ) 2011-07-25 18:02:22+0000 <antoviaque> did you find a good solution to handle it at the end, even if you couldn't test it? 2011-07-25 18:02:40+0000 <arbrandes> Anyway, in addition to that I hit a few bumps on getting stuff to run on the server (the bugs I also corrected in the commit), but in the end everything worked. 2011-07-25 18:02:53+0000 <antoviaque> alrighty 2011-07-25 18:02:58+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for the explanation : ) 2011-07-25 18:04:39+0000 <arbrandes> I don't know if it's the best solution, but the local_settings.py feature is working. I imagine that at one point we could try moving it into /etc/cardstories as an improvement (currently it has to be in /usr/share/cardstories/website), but that will complicated it a little more, and I'd rather get back to the sprint. :) 2011-07-25 18:04:43+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, no problem at all :) 2011-07-25 18:06:05+0000 fernanda (fernanda) is now online 2011-07-25 18:06:24+0000 <antoviaque> hi fernanda 2011-07-25 18:07:21+0000 <Guest60214> teste 2011-07-25 18:07:34+0000 <Guest60214> Hi 2011-07-25 18:07:48+0000 <Guest60214> As I was talking... 2011-07-25 18:08:08+0000 <Guest60214> I don't understand, I sent the prints of the changes I made 2011-07-25 18:08:21+0000 <antoviaque> the prints? 2011-07-25 18:08:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello! 2011-07-25 18:08:55+0000 <Guest60214> the print screen of the farsides 2011-07-25 18:09:21+0000 <antoviaque> I don't understand - why would you send a printscreen, rather than uploading the changes? 2011-07-25 18:09:31+0000 <Guest60214> I did everything Deborah asked me and I sent the images of these changes to prove I did it 2011-07-25 18:09:41+0000 <Guest60214> because the changes are on line 2011-07-25 18:09:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we need to see it working on the browser 2011-07-25 18:10:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I didn't received any print screens 2011-07-25 18:10:01+0000 <Guest60214> but it's working om browser 2011-07-25 18:10:08+0000 <antoviaque> are the changes online at http://dev.farsides.com/blog/ ? 2011-07-25 18:10:11+0000 <Guest60214> I tested on chrome and internet explorer 2011-07-25 18:10:46+0000 <Guest60214> yes 2011-07-25 18:10:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, its me who doesn't understand 2011-07-25 18:11:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because I can't see it, neither on chrome or firefox 2011-07-25 18:11:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I started looking on my list, the first item is not showing already 2011-07-25 18:11:37+0000 <Guest60214> I asked my friend to seet ir and that's ok too 2011-07-25 18:11:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and the logo of card stories is still the old one 2011-07-25 18:12:18+0000 <Guest60214> did you try to erase the history? the cookies? 2011-07-25 18:12:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-07-25 18:12:34+0000 <Guest60214> NO NO I DO DO DO CAN SEE THE NEW LOGO!!! 2011-07-25 18:12:43+0000 <Guest60214> oh my god! :( 2011-07-25 18:13:26+0000 <antoviaque> I also see the old one 2011-07-25 18:13:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> why don't you try to upload it again maybe? 2011-07-25 18:13:53+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, actually, this won't be necessary 2011-07-25 18:14:04+0000 <Guest60214> ok I'll try again 2011-07-25 18:14:15+0000 <antoviaque> as I said fernanda, I consider this contract resiliated, and we are going to contract someone else 2011-07-25 18:14:37+0000 <antoviaque> The level of communication isn't just good enough to make me confident this can end well 2011-07-25 18:15:03+0000 <Guest60214> but it's not fair the changes are on line 2011-07-25 18:15:07+0000 <antoviaque> And the way you reacted to my emails confirms my opinion 2011-07-25 18:15:26+0000 <antoviaque> as I said, we will delete the files and not use them 2011-07-25 18:15:37+0000 <Guest60214> BUT I DID THE JOB 2011-07-25 18:15:40+0000 <antoviaque> You can't possibly say that what is currently online matches the mockups 2011-07-25 18:15:47+0000 <Guest60214> i have the prints to prove 2011-07-25 18:16:44+0000 <Guest60214> Tartaruga, I just sent you the print of a friend of mine 2011-07-25 18:16:53+0000 <Guest60214> the new logo of card stories 2011-07-25 18:16:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, its the old logo 2011-07-25 18:17:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its not the one I sent you on the email with the changes 2011-07-25 18:17:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its exactly what we're seeing on our screens that your friend is seeing, and sorry but the changes are not there 2011-07-25 18:18:14+0000 <antoviaque> and you forget the most important fernanda - this has been dragging on for *months* 2011-07-25 18:18:26+0000 <antoviaque> sorry, but it's too late now 2011-07-25 18:19:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I forwarded you the first email we sent with the changes, and the new logo was attached. 2011-07-25 18:24:01+0000 <Guest60214> all the style font changes are on line 2011-07-25 18:29:04+0000 Rodrigo (Rodrigo) is now online 2011-07-25 18:29:19+0000 <Guest60214> Rodrigo works with me 2011-07-25 18:29:33+0000 <Guest60214> And He sees the changes 2011-07-25 18:31:47+0000 <Rodrigo> Hello, i'm upload the files in the server, and I see the changes 2011-07-25 18:32:00+0000 <Rodrigo> You don't see? 2011-07-25 18:36:00+0000 <antoviaque> I don't know what changes were made, but on http://dev.farsides.com/blog I don't see the changes asked by tartarugafeliz integrated 2011-07-25 18:36:08+0000 <antoviaque> and, one more time, it's too late for this 2011-07-25 18:36:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't see them either 2011-07-25 18:36:37+0000 <antoviaque> there was plenty of occasions to come and solve this together, I would have been happy to dig further 2011-07-25 18:36:43+0000 <antoviaque> but now we need to move on 2011-07-25 18:37:38+0000 <Guest60214> Why why??? Nobody answered my emails? 2011-07-25 18:38:01+0000 <Guest60214> I ASKED IF I CAN CHANGE THE LAYOUT E NOBODY ANSWERED ME 2011-07-25 18:40:28+0000 Didimo (Didimo) is now online 2011-07-25 18:41:13+0000 <Didimo> Hello all. My name is Didimo. I work eith fernanda and I wm trying to sovle this ´puzzle 2011-07-25 18:41:25+0000 <antoviaque> hi Didimo : ) 2011-07-25 18:41:32+0000 <Didimo> It seems that you guys are not able to see the website running 2011-07-25 18:42:35+0000 <Didimo> I can log into it and see the changes just fine. 2011-07-25 18:42:39+0000 <antoviaque> I'm not sure that's the problem - I think it's more a question of changes not being implemented as requested, and bad communication 2011-07-25 18:43:10+0000 <Didimo> Okay. 2011-07-25 18:43:11+0000 <antoviaque> As I was saying to Fernanda, there was plenty of occasions to come and solve this problem 2011-07-25 18:44:14+0000 <Didimo> As far as I can see in the caht history thru emails communication is lacking from both sides. .. 2011-07-25 18:44:15+0000 <Didimo> hummm 2011-07-25 18:44:15+0000 <antoviaque> After months not seeing the end of this project, not getting updates, plenty of unanswered or late emails, and never showing up here to sort it out, we decided to cancel the contract and give it to someone else 2011-07-25 18:44:30+0000 <Didimo> I just checked here. And the website was running for quite sometime. 2011-07-25 18:44:47+0000 <antoviaque> Didimo: I don't think so - we agreed at the beginning to communicate through this chat and the buddypress 2011-07-25 18:44:55+0000 <Didimo> And the latest changes were waiting for approval 2011-07-25 18:45:16+0000 <Didimo> it doesn´t seem to be a big issue 2011-07-25 18:45:49+0000 <Didimo> what are the issues you don´t see implemented 2011-07-25 18:45:59+0000 <antoviaque> The changes weren't waiting to be approved - tartarugafeliz said that they weren't implemented weeks ago 2011-07-25 18:46:37+0000 <antoviaque> Didimo: My point is that it's too late - we complained a lot about the lack of communication before, now we are moving on 2011-07-25 18:46:40+0000 <Didimo> Okay. let me check... 2011-07-25 18:47:11+0000 <Didimo> there is a lot of work done. 2011-07-25 18:47:28+0000 <Didimo> already. 2011-07-25 18:48:21+0000 <Didimo> here. gotcha! 2011-07-25 18:48:29+0000 <Didimo> chaces were made on Jun 30th 2011-07-25 18:49:08+0000 <Didimo> and we only received an email last week 2011-07-25 18:49:13+0000 <Didimo> on that matter 2011-07-25 18:49:16+0000 <antoviaque> yes, but it has been 4 months already 2011-07-25 18:49:42+0000 <antoviaque> if we did anything wrong, it's to wait all that time before cancelling the contract 2011-07-25 18:50:21+0000 <Didimo> When do you need that done? 2011-07-25 18:50:33+0000 <antoviaque> 4 months ago : ) 2011-07-25 18:51:04+0000 <Didimo> You need to take into account that you have falied on the communication as well 2011-07-25 18:51:13+0000 <Didimo> you can not on us 2011-07-25 18:51:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> on 23rd of june I send an email saying that we needd the website maximum in one week. she said it would be ok and she asked again for the logo, I sent 2011-07-25 18:51:18+0000 <Didimo> blame* 2011-07-25 18:51:29+0000 <Didimo> we have dedcaited our time 2011-07-25 18:51:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I got the email saying that it was done on June 30th 2011-07-25 18:51:52+0000 <antoviaque> And we have lost 4 months, and a lot of time too 2011-07-25 18:51:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and I can't see it 2011-07-25 18:52:09+0000 <antoviaque> It doesn't make me happy, but at some point it has to end 2011-07-25 18:52:14+0000 <Didimo> it was done and uploaded 2011-07-25 18:52:14+0000 <Didimo> on that week 2011-07-25 18:53:01+0000 <Didimo> xavier, you have to excuse, but chances were made on that week.. 2011-07-25 18:53:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I send another email on Jun 30th asking to send the instructions and files to Xav and I also asked for her to publish about it on the buddypress so everyone could check if the design was correct, but I didn't see anything anymore... 2011-07-25 18:53:14+0000 <Didimo> We though that teh website was running 2011-07-25 18:53:31+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz informed that it wasn't the case 2011-07-25 18:53:41+0000 <arbrandes> (sorry to interrupt, albeit briefly: antoviaque, if you can approve my estimate on http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/257, please; along with #258, these are 2 new tasks involving the animation of the top step slider, for which I had not created tasks previously) 2011-07-25 18:53:55+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: sure! 2011-07-25 18:54:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and the logo is still not the right one⦠even on the last printscreen she sent 2011-07-25 18:54:31+0000 <Didimo> Debora, The intruction were sent to you the folowing day 2011-07-25 18:54:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> nothing was sent to me. 2011-07-25 18:55:05+0000 <Didimo> We are resending the email to you right now! 2011-07-25 18:55:07+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: it's ok for me - thanks for checking! 2011-07-25 18:56:41+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, thanks! :) I'll be working on that now. 2011-07-25 18:56:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: your steps are ready to be used! 2011-07-25 18:57:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I sent the links on the tasks 2011-07-25 18:57:13+0000 <Didimo> sent! 2011-07-25 18:57:15+0000 <Didimo> let me know onde you got it. 2011-07-25 18:57:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> (they contain a lot of instructions if you need help, tell me) arbrandes 2011-07-25 18:57:35+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, yup, that's why I created a new task for me: I forgot we're going to need to animate that too. Thanks for the detailed instructions, they're great! :) 2011-07-25 18:57:38+0000 <antoviaque> Didimo: Sorry, but we have been through this already, so let's make it very simple: we're not going to continue working with you. End of discussion. 2011-07-25 18:57:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: cool! 2011-07-25 18:57:58+0000 <Didimo> okay. 2011-07-25 18:58:07+0000 <Didimo> But work hasn´t been 2011-07-25 18:58:09+0000 <Didimo> done 2011-07-25 18:58:22+0000 <Didimo> has been done 2011-07-25 18:58:30+0000 <Didimo> and we dedicated time to that. 2011-07-25 18:58:44+0000 <Didimo> I am sorry we could not make that work out to both of us. 2011-07-25 18:59:30+0000 <antoviaque> Yes, you do need to reimburse us - the deadline was one week after acceptance of the contract 2011-07-25 18:59:42+0000 <Didimo> I am not sure that will be possible 2011-07-25 19:00:33+0000 <Didimo> we have attened dates and the web site was on on the week you mentioned. 2011-07-25 19:01:16+0000 <Didimo> We have sent emails to prove it 2011-07-25 19:01:47+0000 <Didimo> and we are not having a proper answer from you. 2011-07-25 19:01:51+0000 <Didimo> on time. 2011-07-25 19:02:08+0000 <antoviaque> this is not correct: cf http://farsides.com/activity/p/324/ 2011-07-25 19:02:31+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard asked for infos, because the deadline had passed without any news 2011-07-25 19:03:11+0000 <Didimo> News were sent on JUNE 30TH to Debora. 2011-07-25 19:03:35+0000 <antoviaque> no, I'm talking about the original deadline 2011-07-25 19:03:38+0000 <Didimo> on the deadline week you determined during that week. 2011-07-25 19:03:46+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-07-25 19:03:53+0000 <antoviaque> hi dachary! 2011-07-25 19:04:54+0000 <Didimo> Atfter teh original 2011-07-25 19:05:11+0000 <Didimo> dealine your trip didn´t allow you to answer on time 2011-07-25 19:05:40+0000 <antoviaque> This is again incorrect - the question during my trip was asked *after* the original deadline had expired 2011-07-25 19:05:50+0000 <Didimo> and you haven´t provided access to server. I am sorry xavier. You have missed more then we have. 2011-07-25 19:05:58+0000 <Didimo> We can not reinburse you 2011-07-25 19:07:07+0000 <Didimo> Please check the email history and then account for missing dead lines. We cannot and will not pay for client deadline breaks 2011-07-25 19:07:53+0000 <antoviaque> This is disappointing 2011-07-25 19:08:17+0000 <antoviaque> Well, we'll be sure to know what to say if anyone asks an opinion about you 2011-07-25 19:09:10+0000 <antoviaque> Have a nice day. 2011-07-25 19:10:09+0000 <Didimo> I am sorry not complete your work. we focus non client satisfaction. we thi issue came to me. I thought we have falied on providing the proper service you deserve. But going thru history I am sure we have tryied to meet the dates and your needs. 2011-07-25 19:10:50+0000 <Didimo> One more time. I am sorry, and you have a nice day! 2011-07-25 19:12:13+0000 <antoviaque> files deleted 2011-07-25 19:12:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok lets move on then 2011-07-25 19:12:47+0000 <antoviaque> sorry for this unpleasant discussion here guys - at least it's solved 2011-07-25 19:13:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can I contact the guys from cssmenow? 2011-07-25 19:13:31+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: I already did : ) 2011-07-25 19:13:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> urru! :D 2011-07-25 19:14:34+0000 <antoviaque> they gave a quote of $300. they also include the buddypress skin in the lot, but they wanred they won't install the plugins/etc. I need to ask them precisions about this 2011-07-25 19:14:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok, tell me when we need to send the files 2011-07-25 19:15:00+0000 <antoviaque> do you want me to hand over communication to you as soon as it's fixed? 2011-07-25 19:15:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap! :D 2011-07-25 19:15:08+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: I gave them the repository url 2011-07-25 19:15:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh cool!!! 2011-07-25 19:15:17+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-07-25 19:18:43+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-07-25 19:21:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dachary: \o/ 2011-07-25 19:22:58+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: guten aben 2011-07-25 19:23:03+0000 <dachary> \'/ 2011-07-25 19:23:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaahahha oh my dog! 2011-07-25 19:23:18+0000 <antoviaque> guten aben, herr dachary! 2011-07-25 19:25:58+0000 <arbrandes> hahahah, hey dachary 2011-07-25 19:30:13+0000 <dachary> :-D 2011-07-25 19:34:56+0000 <antoviaque> wie geht es dir? 2011-07-25 19:35:14+0000 * antoviaque reopens Germans books 2011-07-25 19:47:07+0000 tempuramerino (tempuramerino) is now online
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