Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-08-15.
2011-08-15 01:07:19+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-15 05:37:28+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-15 08:19:03+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2011-08-15 08:19:18+0000 <antoviaque> hi! 2011-08-15 08:21:41+0000 tartarugafeliz_ (tartarugafeliz_) is now online 2011-08-15 08:34:04+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-08-15 09:56:22+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-08-15 10:11:34+0000 <antoviaque> good morning arbrandes : ) 2011-08-15 10:11:44+0000 <arbrandes> morning Kalhaan! 2011-08-15 10:11:46+0000 <arbrandes> ;) 2011-08-15 10:11:49+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-08-15 10:36:19+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque-destroyer-of-terrans: I estimated http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/335. It looks a bit high, but this is because I'm going to have to learn Loic's "board" logic, and then integrate it properly. 2011-08-15 10:37:26+0000 <antoviaque> yup, good luck : ) 2011-08-15 10:37:37+0000 <antoviaque> thanks for checking! 2011-08-15 10:37:49+0000 <arbrandes> np :) 2011-08-15 11:02:49+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-15 11:18:27+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-15 11:30:37+0000 mtyaka_ (mtyaka_) is now online 2011-08-15 12:00:29+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: start dailymeeting 2011-08-15 12:00:29+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-08-15 12:00:36+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-08-15 12:00:36+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, yesterday : Implemented state 5 transition and speeding up of unit tests through mocking the $.delay method (#330) and animated card shuffling and initial vote_owner display (#334) 2011-08-15 12:00:36+0000 <eve> Done: : Implemented state 5 transition and speeding up of unit tests through mocking the $.delay method (#330) and animated card shuffling and initial vote_owner display (#334) 2011-08-15 12:00:37+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, today : Turn the shuffled cards face up, which will require learning the board server-side logic (#335) 2011-08-15 12:00:37+0000 <eve> Next: : Turn the shuffled cards face up, which will require learning the board server-side logic (#335) 2011-08-15 12:00:37+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, blockers : Would be nice to get some pointers on the board logic from dachary. For starters, why 7 cards per player? 2011-08-15 12:00:37+0000 <eve> Blockers: : Would be nice to get some pointers on the board logic from dachary. For starters, why 7 cards per player 2011-08-15 12:00:43+0000 <arbrandes> ;) 2011-08-15 12:00:44+0000 <antoviaque> ahaahah, always first :p 2011-08-15 12:00:54+0000 * antoviaque reading 2011-08-15 12:01:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> helloooo 2011-08-15 12:01:11+0000 <arbrandes> It's a relic of the time I used to spend on #quiz, at Dalnet. 2011-08-15 12:01:13+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2011-08-15 12:01:14+0000 <arbrandes> hey tartarugafeliz :) 2011-08-15 12:01:19+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2011-08-15 12:01:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hey arbrandes, good job at the shuffling animation 2011-08-15 12:01:33+0000 <antoviaque> btw good job on the shuffling arbrandes, looks really good 2011-08-15 12:01:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahaha 2011-08-15 12:01:39+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-08-15 12:01:43+0000 <arbrandes> thanks, both of you, heheheh :) 2011-08-15 12:01:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> can I go? 2011-08-15 12:02:01+0000 <antoviaque> yup : ) 2011-08-15 12:02:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: yesterday I finished #295 (comics to explain the game), #253 (design the new first page layout) #331 (video cards shuffling) #332 (sliced "has voted" image) and #333 (cards shuffling png sequence) 2011-08-15 12:02:03+0000 <eve> Done: I finished #295 (comics to explain the game), #253 (design the new first page layout) #331 (video cards shuffling) #332 (sliced "has voted" image) and #333 (cards shuffling png sequence) 2011-08-15 12:02:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: today I'll work on #337 (create a video to demonstrate Player's view) 2011-08-15 12:02:03+0000 <eve> Next: I'll work on #337 (create a video to demonstrate Player's view) 2011-08-15 12:02:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: blockers none 2011-08-15 12:02:04+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-15 12:02:24+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll finish the video today ok? 2011-08-15 12:02:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its basically the same thing 2011-08-15 12:02:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> just some colors that is going to demonstrate where the Player is 2011-08-15 12:02:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and also some png sequences that are going to be different 2011-08-15 12:03:04+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: cool, thanks very much it will be good to have it to create the stories 2011-08-15 12:03:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but its basically the same disposition 2011-08-15 12:03:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-15 12:03:16+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, it's going to be a full video like final.mp4? 2011-08-15 12:03:19+0000 <antoviaque> and cool that you found a way to keep the same presentation, should speed up development : ) 2011-08-15 12:03:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, but I can make small versions if you need to arbrandes 2011-08-15 12:03:34+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: mtyaka: no other blockers on design today? 2011-08-15 12:03:43+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, no need, that'll do just fine. Thanks! 2011-08-15 12:03:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-15 12:03:51+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: yesterday last week i finished #319 and #320 2011-08-15 12:03:51+0000 <eve> Done: last week i finished #319 and #320 2011-08-15 12:03:53+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: today i have to find a suitable task 2011-08-15 12:03:53+0000 <eve> Next: i have to find a suitable task 2011-08-15 12:03:54+0000 <arbrandes> no blockers from me! 2011-08-15 12:03:54+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: blockers didn't find a suitable task yet 2011-08-15 12:03:54+0000 <eve> Blockers: didn't find a suitable task yet 2011-08-15 12:03:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we are going to do it! :D 2011-08-15 12:04:01+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: hello : ) 2011-08-15 12:04:03+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks! 2011-08-15 12:04:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello mtyaka 2011-08-15 12:04:08+0000 <mtyaka> hi :) 2011-08-15 12:04:09+0000 <arbrandes> hey mtyaka! 2011-08-15 12:04:32+0000 <antoviaque> (btw same remark as tartarugafeliz, next days can you include the ticket description like arbrandes and tartarugafeliz do? helps to not have to go read the tickets ;p ) 2011-08-15 12:04:39+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ^ 2011-08-15 12:05:10+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: sure, will try to keep in mind 2011-08-15 12:05:14+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-08-15 12:05:38+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: any task tempting you? arbrandes: any task mtyaka could help you most with? : ) 2011-08-15 12:06:01+0000 <mtyaka> i'm not even sure where to start looking... 2011-08-15 12:06:24+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: true, we reached the end of the sprint, so it's trickier 2011-08-15 12:06:25+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, mtyaka, I'm working on the last task of story #211, after that, more tasks will need to be created for the next stories 2011-08-15 12:06:45+0000 * antoviaque looking 2011-08-15 12:07:07+0000 <arbrandes> The next logical story is http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/212 2011-08-15 12:07:35+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-08-15 12:07:46+0000 <arbrandes> and then 231 2011-08-15 12:07:46+0000 <antoviaque> we add it to this sprint? 2011-08-15 12:07:50+0000 <arbrandes> sorry, 213 2011-08-15 12:08:07+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, sure, if mtyaka starts work today 2011-08-15 12:08:15+0000 <arbrandes> otherwise, we leave it to the next one, which will start tomorrow 2011-08-15 12:08:18+0000 <arbrandes> (hopefully, hehehe) 2011-08-15 12:08:27+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: is the task corresponding to #212 ok for you? 2011-08-15 12:08:36+0000 <mtyaka> yes, it's ok 2011-08-15 12:09:02+0000 <mtyaka> i can start today 2011-08-15 12:09:02+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ok cool - can I let you create the corresponding task with the estimate? 2011-08-15 12:09:14+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: sure 2011-08-15 12:09:19+0000 <antoviaque> thx : ) 2011-08-15 12:10:00+0000 <antoviaque> I've added the story to the sprint 2011-08-15 12:10:23+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: dachary: there? 2011-08-15 12:10:28+0000 <blanchard> yep 2011-08-15 12:10:32+0000 <blanchard> hi there :) 2011-08-15 12:10:35+0000 <antoviaque> hey : ) 2011-08-15 12:10:43+0000 <antoviaque> want to go ahead blanchard? 2011-08-15 12:10:46+0000 <blanchard> eve_: yesterday finished first draft of bp 2011-08-15 12:10:46+0000 <eve> Done: finished first draft of bp 2011-08-15 12:10:46+0000 <blanchard> eve_: today start working on pitch / CNC document, a few contacts to start re-activate for september (business angels / love money) 2011-08-15 12:10:46+0000 <eve> Next: start working on pitch / CNC document, a few contacts to start re-activate for september (business angels / love money) 2011-08-15 12:10:46+0000 <blanchard> eve_: blockers no blocker but first feedback welcome on bp 2011-08-15 12:10:46+0000 <eve> Blockers: no blocker but first feedback welcome on bp 2011-08-15 12:11:04+0000 <arbrandes> "love money", heheheh 2011-08-15 12:11:14+0000 <blanchard> yeah arbrandes :p 2011-08-15 12:11:23+0000 <antoviaque> cool, congratz on the BP, I know you spent the whole week-end on it :) 2011-08-15 12:11:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: yesterday Finalised content of website based on new skin (see http://farsides.com/ - still some CSS fixes from cssmenow to get, but looking good already), saw with cssmenow about fixes on farsides.com and integration of Card Stories' home (delivery at the end of the week) 2011-08-15 12:11:31+0000 <eve> Done: Finalised content of website based on new skin (see http://farsides.com/ - still some CSS fixes from cssmenow to get, but looking good already), saw with cssmenow about fixes on farsides.com and integration of Card Stories' home (delivery at the end of the week) 2011-08-15 12:11:32+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: today Work on improving JS updates for Plebia, and review of sprint tomorrow morning 2011-08-15 12:11:32+0000 <eve> Next: Work on improving JS updates for Plebia, and review of sprint tomorrow morning 2011-08-15 12:11:32+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: blockers none 2011-08-15 12:11:32+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-15 12:11:58+0000 <antoviaque> any other subject? 2011-08-15 12:12:00+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, I browsed the two documents, and I found them really enlightening (especially the presentation). I liked the fact a map of South America was included, hahahah 2011-08-15 12:12:05+0000 <blanchard> nope 2011-08-15 12:12:15+0000 <blanchard> haha arbrandes :) 2011-08-15 12:12:18+0000 <blanchard> thanks ! 2011-08-15 12:12:32+0000 <antoviaque> big huge work : ) 2011-08-15 12:12:34+0000 <blanchard> If you whish to discuss some parts i'll be happy to do so 2011-08-15 12:12:36+0000 <arbrandes> The spreadsheet was a tad complicated for a quick browse, will look harder later 2011-08-15 12:13:40+0000 <antoviaque> ok all good for today? 2011-08-15 12:13:51+0000 <blanchard> yes arbrandes it's not really necessary to spend time on spreadsheet, the bp doc inlcudes the main figures and assumptions. Assumptions is what matters actually, rest is mechanical 2011-08-15 12:13:52+0000 <arbrandes> for me, yes 2011-08-15 12:13:55+0000 <blanchard> me too 2011-08-15 12:13:59+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: end dailymeeting 2011-08-15 12:13:59+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-08-15 12:13:59+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/458617 2011-08-15 12:14:02+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-08-15 12:14:56+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, the most interesting page in the BP for me was #7, the game positioning chart 2011-08-15 12:15:18+0000 <arbrandes> And the whole concept of a trend to "nicheize" things 2011-08-15 12:15:30+0000 <arbrandes> Didn't realize it was going on 2011-08-15 12:16:03+0000 <blanchard> thanks arbrandes it was fun doing this one actually :) Though i'm sure the choice of how to specify/define niches can/should be discussed 2011-08-15 12:18:34+0000 <arbrandes> I was at the restaurant a couple of days ago, and the couple at the table next to ours had, 1) a kid, and 2) an Ipad. 2011-08-15 12:18:58+0000 <arbrandes> It was interesting to see how the Ipad was providing great entertainment for them all 2011-08-15 12:19:14+0000 <arbrandes> Playing games, looking at pictures, etc. 2011-08-15 12:19:22+0000 <arbrandes> I thought of Card Stories immediately 2011-08-15 12:19:24+0000 <blanchard> that's interesting 2011-08-15 12:19:52+0000 <arbrandes> And how it would be a nice game to play in such a setting; as opposed to purely over the internet. 2011-08-15 12:20:24+0000 <blanchard> yes i can picture family playing cs at the restaurant. Each one with his ipad :p 2011-08-15 12:20:26+0000 <arbrandes> I bring this up because of the "qualitative / casual gameplay" in the BP 2011-08-15 12:21:09+0000 <arbrandes> Yes, but maybe we could also create a single-screen multiplayer mode, some day 2011-08-15 12:21:18+0000 <arbrandes> Just an idea 2011-08-15 12:21:32+0000 <arbrandes> You know, like the Wii does so well 2011-08-15 12:21:34+0000 <blanchard> yes it's a bit like 'words with friends'. Previously scrabble, board game, now digital with additional features but can be played physically together 2011-08-15 12:22:00+0000 <arbrandes> exactly 2011-08-15 12:22:09+0000 <arbrandes> And tablets are perfect for this 2011-08-15 12:22:22+0000 <blanchard> agreed, this is part of qualitative actually, the fact that it's more fun if people are physically together. That's an interesting idea 2011-08-15 12:22:49+0000 <arbrandes> We'd have a big advantage over board games: 2011-08-15 12:23:00+0000 <arbrandes> Our games could be played easily in restaurant, cars, airplanes, etc 2011-08-15 12:23:11+0000 <blanchard> :) 2011-08-15 12:23:31+0000 <blanchard> not losing cards under the table and having always incomplete games 2011-08-15 12:23:35+0000 <blanchard> for instance 2011-08-15 12:23:37+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: agreed, a tablet version would be good to try (need to define the single screen changes & fix issues with picking of cards on touch screens) 2011-08-15 12:23:57+0000 <arbrandes> hehehe, +1 to not losing game pieces :) 2011-08-15 12:24:25+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, there are definitely several technical issues to overcome 2011-08-15 12:26:00+0000 <arbrandes> I bring all of this up because personally, this is the first real use I'd have for a tablet as opposed to a smartphone or an e-reader. 2011-08-15 12:26:17+0000 <blanchard> +1 2011-08-15 12:27:07+0000 <arbrandes> And there basically an infinite set of possible games. Just do what Zynga did with Scrabble. 2011-08-15 12:27:10+0000 <arbrandes> *there is 2011-08-15 12:27:47+0000 <arbrandes> Anyway... just a thought. :) 2011-08-15 12:28:25+0000 <blanchard> a good thought imho. I'll be happy to discuss it when the time comes 2011-08-15 12:29:35+0000 <arbrandes> cool :) 2011-08-15 13:01:25+0000 <mtyaka> Whoa, great job speeding up the test suite, arbrandes! Down to 5.5 seconds on my (slow) laptop. 2011-08-15 13:02:03+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, thanks, it also made it easier to write some tests, as they sort of happen synchronously without the artificial delays. :) 2011-08-15 13:02:21+0000 <mtyaka> well done :) 2011-08-15 13:02:28+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2011-08-15 13:04:29+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: any idea where i can find out what game.players object means? it's an array of 5-element arrays, like [ ['player1', 30, null, 31, [] ], ['player2' ... ... 2011-08-15 13:04:47+0000 <mtyaka> is this documented anywhere? 2011-08-15 13:05:17+0000 <mtyaka> specifically, i'd like to know whether a player has voted yet 2011-08-15 13:05:35+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, excellent question, so far I only know player[0] => id, player[1] => voted card, player[3] => picked card 2011-08-15 13:06:15+0000 <arbrandes> I think you're looking for player[1] 2011-08-15 13:06:19+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: aha, so i am looking for player[1] 2011-08-15 13:06:22+0000 <arbrandes> I *think* 2011-08-15 13:06:22+0000 <mtyaka> yes :) 2011-08-15 13:06:48+0000 <mtyaka> thanks, i'll see if i can find it documented somewhere 2011-08-15 13:06:49+0000 <arbrandes> The documentation, according to dachary himself, are the unit tests, so that's where I usually try to find this stuff out, hehehe 2011-08-15 13:07:27+0000 <mtyaka> hehe, ok, i'll go look into the tests then 2011-08-15 13:19:19+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I just fixed a display bug in vote_owner, you might want to merge my master in. 2011-08-15 13:19:46+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: ok, thanks for the heads up 2011-08-15 13:20:11+0000 <arbrandes> np 2011-08-15 13:43:28+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: we are only working on the owner's views for now, is that correct? 2011-08-15 13:44:05+0000 <mtyaka> i am asking because story #212 says "When a player votes, all players & author see his status change" 2011-08-15 13:44:24+0000 <mtyaka> i think we are only concerned with the author's view at this point? 2011-08-15 13:57:13+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: yep - those stories were originally meant to be both player and author, but we discussed with arbrandes to only consider them from the author point of view for now 2011-08-15 14:06:03+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: i created #338 for the owner's point of the view - want to put an estimate on it? 2011-08-15 14:06:18+0000 <antoviaque> yup! 2011-08-15 14:06:24+0000 <antoviaque> how much? 2011-08-15 14:07:58+0000 <mtyaka> is 3 hours ok? the task is rather simple, but i need some more time to get to know the surrounding code better 2011-08-15 14:08:30+0000 <antoviaque> yup, sounds good 2011-08-15 14:08:33+0000 <antoviaque> thanks mtyaka 2011-08-15 14:08:48+0000 <mtyaka> thanks antoviaque! 2011-08-15 14:08:53+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-15 14:23:03+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, just pushed another bug fix, this time with the cards returning to deck animation (which wouldn't be played back for players in slot 3 or greater if the page wasn't refreshed). It's minor, but you may want to pull it if you encoutered this bug already. 2011-08-15 14:23:59+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: thanks, will pull - didn't encounter it myself 2011-08-15 14:24:17+0000 <arbrandes> roger, roger :) 2011-08-15 14:27:33+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: in the invitation_owner state, the first dialog box that is shown (Invite your friends to guess your card), doesn't really have to be shown at all if there is already at least one player present... does that sound correct? right now it is shown and then immediately closed. 2011-08-15 14:28:52+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, I thought about it at the time, could go either way. antoviaque, what do you think? ^ 2011-08-15 14:30:03+0000 <antoviaque> not sure - the best would be to leave as is and see how it goes when we really play imho 2011-08-15 14:30:48+0000 <arbrandes> fine by me 2011-08-15 14:31:09+0000 <antoviaque> it's the kind of things we're likely to spend time tuning when we start playtesting this version : ) 2011-08-15 14:31:17+0000 <arbrandes> makes sense, yes 2011-08-15 14:50:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> We have to make the first play test with champagne!! :D 2011-08-15 14:51:19+0000 <antoviaque> ok - guys, tartarugafeliz pays the champagne! :D 2011-08-15 14:51:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahah virtual champagne for everyone! 2011-08-15 14:51:36+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2011-08-15 14:51:46+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: open champagne 2011-08-15 14:51:46+0000 <eve> antoviaque: What? 2011-08-15 14:52:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: celebration! 2011-08-15 14:52:00+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Sorry... 2011-08-15 14:52:00+0000 <antoviaque> need to teach her :p 2011-08-15 14:52:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> she's so sad 2011-08-15 14:52:36+0000 <arbrandes> hahahah 2011-08-15 16:12:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hey guys, the final player's interface is here: http://git.farsides.com/?a=tree&p=share&h=bae6a571d0b49f6ca69c20f11b7e7a142beff881&hb=a6e7871d04237e0f09782da4c2e87e635c64bcd5&f=cardstories/2.0-version/interface/Player 2011-08-15 16:12:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm animating! :D 2011-08-15 17:26:22+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2011-08-15 17:40:20+0000 <arbrandes_> bbl, gotta go fight government bureaucracy 2011-08-15 19:17:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the first part of the Player's view is here: http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=ebe39aa95c8fcd82ea774afc3dbd493626dcb2d1&n=Player1.mp4 2011-08-15 19:17:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-15 19:17:54+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-08-15 20:23:23+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
