Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-08-17.
2011-08-17 00:32:19+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-17 06:26:23+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-17 07:04:47+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-08-17 09:54:39+0000 mrjmad (mrjmad) is now online 2011-08-17 10:10:16+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-08-17 11:01:38+0000 <dachary> hi 2011-08-17 11:03:54+0000 <blanchard1> hi dachary 2011-08-17 11:04:11+0000 <blanchard1> good to read you :) 2011-08-17 11:04:21+0000 <dachary> :-) 2011-08-17 11:07:29+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: hi 2011-08-17 11:14:30+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-08-17 11:41:37+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: i created a new virtual machine and assigned it the IP 91.121.254.236 so that it can be used to deploy & try cardstories 2011-08-17 11:44:58+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-17 11:48:55+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: hi 2011-08-17 11:49:08+0000 <dachary> could you please give me your public ssh key ? 2011-08-17 11:50:49+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2011-08-17 11:54:35+0000 <antoviaque> hi dachary : ) 2011-08-17 11:54:47+0000 <antoviaque> cool for the test virtual machine :D 2011-08-17 11:54:52+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-08-17 11:55:22+0000 <antoviaque> Will be good to discuss this part yep, as well as deployment on cs.org, reviews, etc. 2011-08-17 11:56:27+0000 <dachary> I'll wait for mtyaka to return 2011-08-17 11:56:28+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: hi 2011-08-17 11:56:36+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: could you please give me your public ssh key ? 2011-08-17 11:56:53+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, hey man, what's up? sure, lemme paste it here 2011-08-17 11:57:24+0000 <arbrandes> ssh-rsa AAAAB3NzaC1yc2EAAAABIwAAAQEA0Bgi73UhuwG79OWtDVjeeKOiirtXr03Oy8Eld/HKGAzzFJWvDN0oENTkRwK/SFY9AmR6RvZ3aBB0/b5DefuZXBW16G2/IEo6MlvQmChKEcQbfKRrl+cCzfwc9wjJS9S7E+clieyWyaQ7h4qe/qNo7aYyJH8gGuoLzKayJPuUcEbblx3fxMvwKHTeAjBgZwpy0PtOfrUoSSs2YqTINxMLJkqZmPFtbz9M409dAg5hPiogfV8dY1qU4Px56kclPcRNX0oGF2j9GhGRUdc3y1vZFpxytEbmzfAiIgTGm3Mutwk/fBDw1PskyBBr5FLSqfF+MDUUR/ks/zbbQ2ulYgMtqQ== arbrandes@landlord 2011-08-17 11:57:39+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I'll wait for mtyaka to return before updating you on my situation ;-) 2011-08-17 11:57:51+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yup : ) 2011-08-17 11:57:51+0000 <arbrandes> cool :) 2011-08-17 11:57:58+0000 <arbrandes> hey antoviaque ;) 2011-08-17 11:58:05+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: hello :D 2011-08-17 11:58:21+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: I reviewed the stories, all working fine now for me on alpha3 :) 2011-08-17 11:58:28+0000 <antoviaque> gratz for the fixes 2011-08-17 11:58:54+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, phew, that's extremely good to hear! :) np, bugs bug me, I like to kill them, hehehehe 2011-08-17 11:58:59+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-08-17 11:59:20+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: could you confirm access to ssh [email protected] ? 2011-08-17 11:59:21+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz and I spent some time creating the stories & estimating watermelons 2011-08-17 12:00:07+0000 <antoviaque> we'll just need to do the same for bananas this afternoon to resolve dependencies and set the alpha4 stories 2011-08-17 12:00:28+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, access is confirmed! 2011-08-17 12:02:57+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-08-17 12:03:06+0000 <antoviaque> re mtyaka : ) 2011-08-17 12:03:20+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: we can discuss right after the dailymeeting 2011-08-17 12:03:23+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, awesome! I'm on the road this morning, though (driving to São Paulo), so after the sprint meeting I'll be back online after about 5 hours. Maybe we can sort out a few stories before I go, so mtyaka can have his pick and tartarugafeliz knows what we need. 2011-08-17 12:03:44+0000 <mtyaka> hi all :) 2011-08-17 12:03:52+0000 <arbrandes> hey mtyaka! 2011-08-17 12:03:54+0000 <mtyaka> sorry i'm late, my computer crashed :( 2011-08-17 12:03:54+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: ok 2011-08-17 12:03:55+0000 <antoviaque> yup, if we can do just the banana estimation it will be good already 2011-08-17 12:04:06+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: lasts about 10 minutes now : ) 2011-08-17 12:04:14+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: start dailymeeting 2011-08-17 12:04:14+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-08-17 12:04:22+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, yesterday : Finished turning the shuffled cards face up (#335), djangoauth translation now includes owner_id, to fix bug where author was considered a player for board display purposes (#339), and fixing regression where copy-pasting game URL was no longer possible with django (#340). 2011-08-17 12:04:22+0000 <eve> Done: : Finished turning the shuffled cards face up (#335), djangoauth translation now includes owner_id, to fix bug where author was considered a player for board display purposes (#339), and fixing regression where copy-pasting game URL was no longer possible with django (#340) 2011-08-17 12:04:23+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, today : get to São Paulo in a few hours, then assign bananas and create tasks for alpha4. 2011-08-17 12:04:23+0000 <eve> Next: : get to São Paulo in a few hours, then assign bananas and create tasks for alpha4 2011-08-17 12:04:23+0000 <arbrandes> eve_, blockers : None. 2011-08-17 12:04:23+0000 <eve> Blockers: : None 2011-08-17 12:04:51+0000 <antoviaque> sounds good 2011-08-17 12:05:22+0000 <antoviaque> as said before, if we can do the bananas quickly before you go (and create the tasks after you come back), would be ideal 2011-08-17 12:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: sounds feasible, or too short? 2011-08-17 12:05:39+0000 <arbrandes> yup, invert São Paulo with bananas ;) 2011-08-17 12:05:42+0000 <arbrandes> I think we can do it, yes 2011-08-17 12:05:48+0000 <antoviaque> okidok 2011-08-17 12:05:50+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ? 2011-08-17 12:05:59+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: yesterday started looking for ways we could preload certain images 2011-08-17 12:05:59+0000 <eve> Done: started looking for ways we could preload certain images 2011-08-17 12:06:01+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: today i intend to continue investigating image preloading 2011-08-17 12:06:01+0000 <eve> Next: i intend to continue investigating image preloading 2011-08-17 12:06:02+0000 <mtyaka> eve_: blockers none 2011-08-17 12:06:02+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-17 12:06:12+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: so no need for a new task today right? 2011-08-17 12:06:21+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: no need 2011-08-17 12:06:34+0000 <antoviaque> ok, perfect - so definitely leaves time to create the tasks later today 2011-08-17 12:06:41+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1 ? 2011-08-17 12:06:49+0000 <blanchard1> eve_: yesterday : reviewed business plan with Xavier and Deborah 2011-08-17 12:06:49+0000 <eve> Done: : reviewed business plan with Xavier and Deborah 2011-08-17 12:06:49+0000 <blanchard1> eve_: today : CNC document 2011-08-17 12:06:49+0000 <eve> Next: : CNC document 2011-08-17 12:06:49+0000 <blanchard1> eve_: blockers : none for now 2011-08-17 12:06:49+0000 <eve> Blockers: : none for now 2011-08-17 12:07:16+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: yesterday Cleaned-up tracker and updated all views/tasks, created new stories for player views & new player workflow, follow-up cssmenow, review & comments about the business plan with blanchard, 2nd review sprint alpha3, looked at design stories & watermelon estimation with tartarugafeliz 2011-08-17 12:07:16+0000 <eve> Done: Cleaned-up tracker and updated all views/tasks, created new stories for player views & new player workflow, follow-up cssmenow, review & comments about the business plan with blanchard, 2nd review sprint alpha3, looked at design stories & watermelon estimation with tartarugafeliz 2011-08-17 12:07:16+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: today Sprint meeting 2011-08-17 12:07:16+0000 <eve> Next: Sprint meeting 2011-08-17 12:07:17+0000 <antoviaque> eve_: blockers none 2011-08-17 12:07:17+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-17 12:07:42+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: ? 2011-08-17 12:08:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: yesterday I started working on #337 (create a video to demonstrate Player's view) 2011-08-17 12:08:18+0000 <eve> Done: I started working on #337 (create a video to demonstrate Player's view) 2011-08-17 12:08:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: today I don't know 2011-08-17 12:08:18+0000 <eve> Next: I don't know 2011-08-17 12:08:18+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve_: blockers none 2011-08-17 12:08:18+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-08-17 12:08:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I finished #337 sorry 2011-08-17 12:08:51+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: yep depends on the watermelons and bananas, we'll sort out your next task right after 2011-08-17 12:08:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> sprint meeting I guess for today 2011-08-17 12:09:09+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: we did most of it together already for the sprint meeting 2011-08-17 12:09:23+0000 <antoviaque> just need to sort out the dependencies once the bananas are decided 2011-08-17 12:09:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh its the bananas that needs attention now got it 2011-08-17 12:09:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok :) 2011-08-17 12:09:33+0000 <antoviaque> yep : ) 2011-08-17 12:10:02+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: you want to discuss your involvement ? 2011-08-17 12:10:40+0000 <antoviaque> I explained yesterday that you wouldn't be available for the next sprint, but I left the rest away so that you can explain 2011-08-17 12:12:23+0000 mtyaka_ (mtyaka_) is now online 2011-08-17 12:14:04+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: connectivity issues again? : ) 2011-08-17 12:14:08+0000 <dachary> back 2011-08-17 12:14:21+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: yes :( 2011-08-17 12:14:22+0000 <antoviaque> re - just mentioned you : ) 2011-08-17 12:14:43+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: ok, if you missed parts, I can copy-paste to you in private if you want 2011-08-17 12:14:59+0000 <mtyaka> that'd be great, thanks! 2011-08-17 12:15:03+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: arbrandes, you noticed that I was less and less involved in the past few weeks. 2011-08-17 12:15:45+0000 <mtyaka> yes dachary, we've been missing you 2011-08-17 12:15:54+0000 <dachary> Fortunately antoviaque and both of you did a very good job and I'm quite impressed by the result of your work. 2011-08-17 12:16:05+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: :-) 2011-08-17 12:16:46+0000 <arbrandes> Yup, we most definitely missed you. :) But thanks for the compliment, we tried to do what you would. 2011-08-17 12:17:22+0000 <dachary> For personal reasons (nothing serious, I assure you ;-), I won't be able to come back in the forseeable future. Instead of deluding myself in thinking that I will be back "tomorrow", I think it's better to assume I will not. 2011-08-17 12:18:10+0000 <dachary> I've discussed this with antoviaque the day before yesterday, just to give him a heads up. 2011-08-17 12:18:51+0000 <dachary> This is the reason why I created a new virtual machine, so that you can deploy the new version of cardstories without depending on me. 2011-08-17 12:19:50+0000 <dachary> I'm not sure what other responsibilities I need to surrender. But since you've managed so well without my help in the past weeks, I assume there are not too much of them ;-) 2011-08-17 12:19:59+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: you'll be missed :/ 2011-08-17 12:20:07+0000 <mtyaka> absolutely 2011-08-17 12:20:10+0000 <blanchard1> indeed 2011-08-17 12:20:27+0000 <antoviaque> And I hope you can come back - in any case the door for me will remain wide open 2011-08-17 12:21:03+0000 <arbrandes> I see! Well, that's sad to hear, dachary, I hope everything's alright. I also hope you'll allow us to ping you from time to time to borrow some of your wisdom. :) 2011-08-17 12:21:16+0000 <antoviaque> I understand life has other calls though, and that in free software one of the hardest things is to decide when we need to hand over the responsibilities 2011-08-17 12:21:33+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have, of course. 2011-08-17 12:22:08+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, cool, thanks man 2011-08-17 12:22:53+0000 <dachary> I'm sad to not be involved anymore and I would much better like to stay on board. 2011-08-17 12:23:11+0000 <antoviaque> and I agree too that it is facilitated by how invested arbrandes and mtyaka have been over the past few weeks - it ends up being an officialisation of what is already a reality for the project, aka that arbrandes and mtyaka have taken over the development 2011-08-17 12:23:23+0000 <arbrandes> As long as we're in parting spirit, I'd like to officially thank you, dachary, for having taught me so much with your code. I am a much better programmer now than I was 2 months ago (seriously). 2011-08-17 12:23:58+0000 <arbrandes> It's too bad you have to go, though; hopefully some day you'll come back. :) 2011-08-17 12:24:07+0000 <mtyaka> dachary: i hope you will still come around every once in a while so that arbrandes and i can bother you technical questions :) 2011-08-17 12:24:12+0000 <dachary> :-D I'm glad. Working with you is a pleasure and I'm sad to go. 2011-08-17 12:24:33+0000 <dachary> I'll stay connected and you can ping me anytime, seriously. 2011-08-17 12:25:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll miss you too dachary :) 2011-08-17 12:25:36+0000 <dachary> tartarugafeliz: :-) 2011-08-17 12:25:53+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, ok, we'll try to keep up the standard so that next time you look at the code you won't be too horrified, hehehehe 2011-08-17 12:25:54+0000 <antoviaque> btw, about how to do this smoothly 2011-08-17 12:26:31+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I propose that whenever a question comes up, you just ask me. 2011-08-17 12:26:44+0000 <dachary> It's not like I will disapear, that's the upside. 2011-08-17 12:27:10+0000 <dachary> I'll be online most of the time and there is no need to make sure everything is in order before I go. 2011-08-17 12:27:10+0000 <arbrandes> I'm fine with that 2011-08-17 12:27:16+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ok, thanks for the offer :) will definitely come handy 2011-08-17 12:27:25+0000 <dachary> it's the least I can do 2011-08-17 12:27:50+0000 <antoviaque> The one I think would be good to take care of now are: 2011-08-17 12:27:50+0000 <dachary> The only major thing I could think of was the fact that the deployment machine was under my control, that's why I created a new one. 2011-08-17 12:28:02+0000 <antoviaque> 1) yep, deployment 2011-08-17 12:28:12+0000 <antoviaque> 2) main git repository 2011-08-17 12:28:29+0000 <antoviaque> 3) code leadership / architecture decisions 2011-08-17 12:28:34+0000 <antoviaque> 4) code reviews 2011-08-17 12:29:01+0000 <antoviaque> If I understand correctly, the machine you've put in place would be for the test version, no? Would it handle cardstories.org too? 2011-08-17 12:29:25+0000 <dachary> regarding 2) it's only a matter of changing it in redmine, unless I'm mistaken. Regarding 3) I think the lead is already in good hands with arbrandes ;-) 2011-08-17 12:30:05+0000 <antoviaque> agreed for 3) - but this is still something to make official, and ask confirmation from everyone involved :) 2011-08-17 12:30:15+0000 <dachary> regarding 4) there are two pair of eyes ( arbrandes / mtyaka ) which is the minimum required for review 2011-08-17 12:30:20+0000 <arbrandes> thanks for the vote of confidence, both of you :) 2011-08-17 12:30:33+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: of course :) 2011-08-17 12:31:26+0000 <arbrandes> on 4, if mtyaka and I agree on checking each other's code, I believe we'll be fine. Maybe antoviaque can also look through it from time to time. 2011-08-17 12:31:29+0000 <antoviaque> 4) yep, but need to talk about formalising a bit, so that we make sure it happens and that the proper ticket process keeps working 2011-08-17 12:31:36+0000 * blanchard1 adds his vote to the vote of confidence 2011-08-17 12:31:48+0000 <arbrandes> thanks blanchard1 :) 2011-08-17 12:31:54+0000 <blanchard1> :) 2011-08-17 12:31:56+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, agreed on formalization 2011-08-17 12:32:45+0000 <antoviaque> so, let's take each subject one by one 2011-08-17 12:33:10+0000 <antoviaque> on 1), the new server would serve cardstories.org dachary ? 2011-08-17 12:34:27+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: yes, that's the idea. Mainly, it's a new server that can be organized without caring about my "way of doing things" with regard to sysadmin. I have complicated habits as you know ;-) 2011-08-17 12:34:42+0000 <antoviaque> ahah, ok, I understand : ) 2011-08-17 12:35:31+0000 <antoviaque> ok then - we'll just need to sort out who takes care of it, but that's going to depend a bit on the other points 2011-08-17 12:36:09+0000 <antoviaque> 2) we'll just change the URL 2011-08-17 12:36:46+0000 <antoviaque> 3) what does everyone thinks of officialising arbrandes as code lead? especially you mtyaka, what do you think? 2011-08-17 12:37:02+0000 <mtyaka> he gets my vote :) 2011-08-17 12:37:13+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, cool :) 2011-08-17 12:37:25+0000 <dachary> +1 2011-08-17 12:37:26+0000 <arbrandes> thanks mtyaka ;) 2011-08-17 12:37:40+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: blanchard1: what about you, even if you don't directly code? 2011-08-17 12:38:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> works for me! 2011-08-17 12:38:23+0000 <blanchard1> definitely. I was hesitating of adding my candidature for code lead... but no. Arbrandes it should be :) 2011-08-17 12:38:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> gahaahahhaha 2011-08-17 12:38:39+0000 <blanchard1> i really like interacting with you arbrandes actually 2011-08-17 12:38:42+0000 <arbrandes> thanks, dachary, tartarugafeliz. blanchard1, hehehe, thanks dude! :) 2011-08-17 12:38:48+0000 <blanchard1> it's a real pleasure 2011-08-17 12:38:50+0000 <antoviaque> ahhh, that would be intersting :p 2011-08-17 12:38:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Yes and we work very well together 2011-08-17 12:39:07+0000 <dachary> blanchard1: hahaha 2011-08-17 12:39:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I really like the way you deal with design too arbrandes 2011-08-17 12:39:24+0000 <arbrandes> same here, blanchard1, and it goes for all members of the team as far as I'm concerned. We got a nice thing going, here :) 2011-08-17 12:39:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you always pay attention on the details which is something I never saw before 2011-08-17 12:39:57+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, with the beautiful design you create, it would be a crime to do otherwise! :D 2011-08-17 12:40:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so all of that to say that I'm really glad to work with you and I agree that this is the best move for all of us 2011-08-17 12:40:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-17 12:40:27+0000 <antoviaque> ok, done deal it is then :D 2011-08-17 12:40:32+0000 <antoviaque> congratz arbrandes ;p 2011-08-17 12:40:43+0000 <arbrandes> Cool, thanks again, folks, this means a lot to me. :) 2011-08-17 12:41:12+0000 <blanchard1> congratz arbrandes :) 2011-08-17 12:42:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> \o/ 2011-08-17 12:42:04+0000 <arbrandes> How does dachary do it? \o/ \o/ \o/ hehehehe ;) 2011-08-17 12:42:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes! :D 2011-08-17 12:42:13+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha 2011-08-17 12:42:21+0000 <antoviaque> ok, and last one, 4) code reviews & tickets process 2011-08-17 12:42:34+0000 <antoviaque> how do you want to handle it mr lead coder ? :D 2011-08-17 12:43:00+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: I read the code and think about it and commit. That's all ;-) 2011-08-17 12:43:19+0000 <arbrandes> ;) Nothing too different from what I've already been doing: whenever mtyaka checks in some code, I merge it in to my branch and try to understand it. 2011-08-17 12:43:30+0000 <dachary> exactly 2011-08-17 12:43:50+0000 <arbrandes> yup, dachary, it seems this works fine. 2011-08-17 12:44:02+0000 <arbrandes> However, the question remains of who's going to review *my* code 2011-08-17 12:44:18+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: up for some code reviews? 2011-08-17 12:44:21+0000 <arbrandes> I'd love it if mtyaka could do it 2011-08-17 12:44:36+0000 <mtyaka> sure 2011-08-17 12:44:42+0000 <dachary> I need to run an errand now, I'll be back later this afternoon. I'll answer any question you may have when I'm back. 2011-08-17 12:44:49+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, ok, thanks man 2011-08-17 12:44:52+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: sure - thanks again! 2011-08-17 12:45:00+0000 <dachary> bbl 2011-08-17 12:45:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> bbye! 2011-08-17 12:45:07+0000 <mtyaka> i usually read through the new commits, i'll do the same and pay more attention 2011-08-17 12:45:14+0000 <mtyaka> thanks for everything, dachary! 2011-08-17 12:46:08+0000 <antoviaque> ok - what about the update of the tickets - do you pass each other's "ready for review" to "merged"/"in progress"? 2011-08-17 12:46:22+0000 <antoviaque> the issue I see is that it wouldn't really be "merged" anymore 2011-08-17 12:46:43+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, that sounds good to me, however I agree that maybe a rename of the status is in order. 2011-08-17 12:46:52+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2011-08-17 12:47:15+0000 <arbrandes> Another point: 2011-08-17 12:47:20+0000 <antoviaque> it could be the occasion to differentiate properly between the test version and the live version actually 2011-08-17 12:47:26+0000 <arbrandes> yes 2011-08-17 12:48:15+0000 <arbrandes> I propose that the workflow be tuned so that you, antoviaque, as primary "story accepter", be the final judge of if the code works or not. 2011-08-17 12:48:50+0000 <arbrandes> It's no different from what's already been happening. 2011-08-17 12:48:54+0000 <antoviaque> I see - during the sprint reviews I close the task and it's ready to go to live 2011-08-17 12:49:54+0000 <arbrandes> Something like that, yes, so that once you're satisfied there aren't any showstopper bugs, the tasks (or just the story they belong to), get a status that reflect that. 2011-08-17 12:52:30+0000 <antoviaque> could give something like: In progress => Ready for review => Code reviewed => Ready for live ? 2011-08-17 12:53:32+0000 <antoviaque> Then there is just the live/test version and repositories on which I'ld like to come back 2011-08-17 12:53:35+0000 <arbrandes> I'm thinking that maybe it's better to leave this status for the story. 2011-08-17 12:54:34+0000 <arbrandes> Tasks are about code and design (and music, and whatever); the other coders/designers/etc should decide if they're good enough. Stories are about the final product, and are what really matter in the end. 2011-08-17 12:55:05+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now offline 2011-08-17 12:55:24+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2011-08-17 12:55:38+0000 <blanchard1> bbl 2011-08-17 12:55:40+0000 <arbrandes> It would also be easier for you, antoviaque, as there are less stories than tasks. :) 2011-08-17 12:55:40+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now offline 2011-08-17 12:55:54+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so two different workflows, that could fit better 2011-08-17 12:56:46+0000 <antoviaque> let me just try to come up with a workflow 2011-08-17 12:56:49+0000 * antoviaque thinking 2011-08-17 12:59:43+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe something like: 2011-08-17 12:59:43+0000 <antoviaque> Tasks/bugs: In progress => Ready for review => Code Reviewed (which closes the ticket and make it ready for payment) 2011-08-17 12:59:43+0000 <antoviaque> Stories: In progress => Ready for testing (set by arbrandes, code available on arbrandes' repo) => Testing (available on my repo) => Ready for live => Live (on cardstories.org) 2011-08-17 12:59:52+0000 <arbrandes> There is also the matter of payment to consider; before, reviewed tasks were like a signature saying they were payable. I don't think this might be the case anymore, at least not directly. They should only be payable if their parent story was also approved. 2011-08-17 13:00:24+0000 <antoviaque> ahh, true, this ensures proper testing, aside from code review 2011-08-17 13:00:38+0000 <antoviaque> not sure how to implement this in redmine though 2011-08-17 13:00:57+0000 <arbrandes> yup, that's the problem, it makes it harder to generate a clear report 2011-08-17 13:00:59+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: when do you have to leave btw? 2011-08-17 13:01:31+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, well, if I could leave in another half-hour it would be good. I've already started looking at the stories. 2011-08-17 13:02:13+0000 <antoviaque> actually it doesn't bother me that much that you both clear each other's tasks for payment - as long as we discuss the estimates together and since bugs correction gives birth to new tasks anyway, there shouldn't be any surprises, and makes things simpler 2011-08-17 13:02:38+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: I've seen yup : ) http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/361 is already done btw (it's the same as the other boxes) 2011-08-17 13:03:26+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, the tooltip? What about the text in the tooltip? 2011-08-17 13:03:34+0000 <antoviaque> oh wait 2011-08-17 13:03:42+0000 <antoviaque> sorry read too fast 2011-08-17 13:04:06+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, if you're fine with the task clearance done in this way, I'm fine with it. :) 2011-08-17 13:04:14+0000 <antoviaque> ok :) 2011-08-17 13:04:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the text is the same fonts as the others arbrandes 2011-08-17 13:04:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> but if you prefer I can make a instructions.odt for you 2011-08-17 13:04:30+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, sure, but what's the text, exactly? 2011-08-17 13:04:40+0000 <arbrandes> I'm talking about the tooltip 2011-08-17 13:04:44+0000 <arbrandes> not the box 2011-08-17 13:05:07+0000 <arbrandes> "the player can visualize a tooltip explains why when he gets his mouse over the inactive button" 2011-08-17 13:05:24+0000 <antoviaque> this way I could even do the testing/release deployment -- testing the way I do it now, on my server, and then reproduce the steps on the live server 2011-08-17 13:06:11+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok then, if it works for you, it certainly works for me 2011-08-17 13:07:33+0000 <antoviaque> yep - that part I can take care off, it's more within my skills than code :) 2011-08-17 13:07:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> The players are trying to discover the card story created by you⦠is that it? 2011-08-17 13:07:51+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: Ë 2011-08-17 13:08:14+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, nope, the story describes something further 2011-08-17 13:08:18+0000 <arbrandes> "the player can visualize a tooltip explains why when he gets his mouse over the inactive button" 2011-08-17 13:09:01+0000 <arbrandes> I'm having a bit of dejá vu here, I think we discussed this tooltip for another box, and ended up discarding it. antoviaque? 2011-08-17 13:09:05+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-08-17 13:09:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes but we're not using tooltips anymore... 2011-08-17 13:09:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap! :D 2011-08-17 13:09:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> dejá vu haahahha 2011-08-17 13:09:22+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehehhe :) 2011-08-17 13:09:30+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, so no tooltip; will update the story 2011-08-17 13:09:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so, what I'm thinking arbrandes, is that we read "wait for other players" while you can't click and then when you can it changes to Announce results 2011-08-17 13:10:38+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: btw how many bananas do you want to take on for this one week sprint? (cf view http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/issues?query_id=17 , added to show stories of all sprints ) 2011-08-17 13:10:40+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, that's cool, shouldn't be any harder than the alternative 2011-08-17 13:11:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-08-17 13:11:31+0000 <antoviaque> yup and this way it's consistent with the previous step, +1 2011-08-17 13:11:37+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, since me and mtyaka together can take about, what, 15 bananas for 2 weeks? I'm thinking 7 or 8. 2011-08-17 13:11:58+0000 <antoviaque> I think it's more now 2011-08-17 13:12:50+0000 <antoviaque> Look at http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/issues?query_id=17 -- it's 16 and it's missing bananas for one of the stories 2011-08-17 13:12:52+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, if we get many 1-banana stories, yes, it might be more (because some 1 banana stories are actually 0.5 bananas). 2011-08-17 13:13:06+0000 <arbrandes> opening 2011-08-17 13:13:09+0000 <antoviaque> I see, so 7 or 8 ? 2011-08-17 13:13:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha what a crazy conversation 2011-08-17 13:13:32+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe :D 2011-08-17 13:13:53+0000 <arbrandes> rofl, yes 2011-08-17 13:14:48+0000 <arbrandes> Let's prepare 8, since we can always add stories if we finish early 2011-08-17 13:14:59+0000 <antoviaque> okidok 2011-08-17 13:16:10+0000 <antoviaque> btw just a heads up on the dependencies - the business stories which require design time are now included too (cf the bottom of the page) 2011-08-17 13:16:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes lets talk about design! :D 2011-08-17 13:16:48+0000 <arbrandes> ahh, that's good, it gives a clearer view of how tartarugafeliz will spend her time :) 2011-08-17 13:16:52+0000 <antoviaque> should help solving some of the issues we've had with design time upfront 2011-08-17 13:16:54+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-08-17 13:17:14+0000 <antoviaque> one of the challenges will be the fact that tartarugafeliz has a story full of watermelons coming up for business (the cnc one) 2011-08-17 13:17:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha 2011-08-17 13:17:29+0000 <antoviaque> so we'll need to think about it carefully so that it doesn't block code 2011-08-17 13:17:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and none of them are 0.5 watermelons⦠nONE! :( 2011-08-17 13:17:41+0000 <arbrandes> lol, I just imagined one of those rural trucks filled to the brim with watermelons 2011-08-17 13:17:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahaha 2011-08-17 13:17:51+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-08-17 13:17:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> farmville people would envy us 2011-08-17 13:18:07+0000 <arbrandes> heheheheh 2011-08-17 13:18:20+0000 <arbrandes> stories #213 and #214 don't block on design, so far 2011-08-17 13:18:23+0000 <arbrandes> looking at #215 2011-08-17 13:18:29+0000 <antoviaque> yup, but they are small 2011-08-17 13:18:39+0000 <arbrandes> neither does #215 2011-08-17 13:18:56+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: it does, she needs to create the video and cut 2011-08-17 13:19:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> not cut just the video 2011-08-17 13:19:16+0000 <antoviaque> ah yep, just the video 2011-08-17 13:19:28+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, hmmm, yes, I didn't check to see if there were videos for them 2011-08-17 13:20:13+0000 <arbrandes> Would be better, as always, although for these 3 I think we can infer behavior from previous animations. 2011-08-17 13:20:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so this would be the first thing I should do right? 2011-08-17 13:20:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'll start now 2011-08-17 13:20:39+0000 <arbrandes> cool :) 2011-08-17 13:20:41+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: yep 2011-08-17 13:21:47+0000 <arbrandes> ahh, now #216 definitely needs some videos, but I see the tasks are already created :) 2011-08-17 13:22:04+0000 <antoviaque> yep, we took some time to look at tasks and watermelons : ) 2011-08-17 13:22:18+0000 <antoviaque> the biggie will be 216 and 127 for design - when do you think mtyaka and you will reach those? 2011-08-17 13:22:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> good question! 2011-08-17 13:23:58+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, tartarugafeliz, we'll get there by the weekend, for sure (as always, the big design task is due on friday, hahahah) 2011-08-17 13:24:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh I'm so happy hahahahahaha 2011-08-17 13:24:32+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehehe, sorry tartarugafeliz :) 2011-08-17 13:24:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> no, I'm really happy, I think I can finish that today actually 2011-08-17 13:25:29+0000 <antoviaque> ok cool 2011-08-17 13:25:29+0000 <arbrandes> ah, ok then, cool :) 2011-08-17 13:25:47+0000 <arbrandes> I'm thinking 2 bananas for 216 and 217 each, antoviaque 2011-08-17 13:25:47+0000 <antoviaque> we'll need to see how far you'll go though, to plan also for Monday 2011-08-17 13:25:54+0000 * antoviaque looking 2011-08-17 13:26:06+0000 <arbrandes> And we also need to include the preloading animation in this sprint 2011-08-17 13:26:11+0000 <arbrandes> which is what mtyaka is doing right now 2011-08-17 13:26:18+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-08-17 13:26:22+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, how many bananas for that? 2011-08-17 13:26:32+0000 <arbrandes> i.e., how much longer do you believe it's going to take? 2011-08-17 13:26:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> 2 watermelons 2011-08-17 13:26:53+0000 <mtyaka> 1 banana equals to 1 day? 2011-08-17 13:27:00+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, roughly, yes 2011-08-17 13:27:07+0000 <mtyaka> ok, so 1 banana :) 2011-08-17 13:27:14+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: no design needed for now - at least in this first version :) 2011-08-17 13:27:17+0000 <arbrandes> ok :) 2011-08-17 13:27:33+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: did you create the task already? I'll link it to the story and check for design requirements 2011-08-17 13:28:44+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: i didn't create it yet, because i couldn't decide what the best approach would be... but i think i decided now 2011-08-17 13:29:01+0000 <mtyaka> so i'll go create the task now and then let you and arbrandes see if you agree with the approach 2011-08-17 13:29:08+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: perfect 2011-08-17 13:29:09+0000 <antoviaque> thanks! 2011-08-17 13:29:11+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, sounds good to me 2011-08-17 13:30:36+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, with that plus #216 , #217, and the rest, it'll be 8 bananas. Does it sound reasonable to you, or is this too little for a week? 2011-08-17 13:31:39+0000 <arbrandes> I see the following stories are chat stories 2011-08-17 13:32:41+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: view http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/issues?query_id=15 is not completely sorted out 2011-08-17 13:33:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yup, I just need your ok on 2 bananas each form 216 and 217 2011-08-17 13:33:11+0000 <antoviaque> basically I just put the next ones in high prio, but then it's a discussion to see what we should do next 2011-08-17 13:33:21+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: all good, I've put them already :D 2011-08-17 13:33:37+0000 <arbrandes> ah, ok, 15 is the backlog 2011-08-17 13:33:42+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2011-08-17 13:34:19+0000 <arbrandes> Well, by then we'll be done with the author, and it's a question of either doing the Player or the chat. 2011-08-17 13:34:36+0000 <antoviaque> player would seem more natural, no? 2011-08-17 13:34:41+0000 <arbrandes> To be honest, I think the player seems better 2011-08-17 13:34:43+0000 <arbrandes> yup :) 2011-08-17 13:34:45+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-17 13:35:09+0000 <antoviaque> the issue is - do you think you will need those elements before next sprint? 2011-08-17 13:35:26+0000 <antoviaque> because it's easy to add stories to a sprint, but on the other side it's disruptive for design dependencies 2011-08-17 13:36:14+0000 <arbrandes> Good question: I want to say "yes", but I don't know 1) if we'll get there before tuesday, and 2) if this will be tough on tartarugafeliz. When's her watermelon truck due? 2011-08-17 13:37:07+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard says "asap", but there are 2 weeks left, including gathering advices/corrections 2011-08-17 13:37:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so I can work on these this week and then I go to the business 2011-08-17 13:37:57+0000 <arbrandes> Well, the video is ready, right? 2011-08-17 13:38:14+0000 <arbrandes> The player video, I mean 2011-08-17 13:38:15+0000 <antoviaque> yep, but it's a different document altogether 2011-08-17 13:38:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes 2011-08-17 13:38:50+0000 <arbrandes> So it would only be slices needed, if any 2011-08-17 13:38:53+0000 <antoviaque> and actually there is a bit of work left on the video - tartarugafeliz should I add a story for this too? 2011-08-17 13:39:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> which video? 2011-08-17 13:39:13+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ah no the video isn't ready 2011-08-17 13:39:19+0000 <arbrandes> I haven't seen the video yet, but I'm guessing a lot of the slices will be the same 2011-08-17 13:39:27+0000 <antoviaque> (sorry understood wrong) 2011-08-17 13:39:30+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ah, ok 2011-08-17 13:39:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> with the card going back to the owners? 2011-08-17 13:39:50+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: that's why there are lots of wtermelons on the results stories too, tartarugafeliz needs to polish that part 2011-08-17 13:40:06+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, I was thinking of the player's view video 2011-08-17 13:40:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: the player's view is done 2011-08-17 13:40:36+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, ah, ok, so it's done, hehehe 2011-08-17 13:40:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/337 2011-08-17 13:40:38+0000 <arbrandes> #337, is it? 2011-08-17 13:40:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-08-17 13:40:40+0000 <arbrandes> yup :) 2011-08-17 13:40:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-08-17 13:41:24+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, since the player demo video is done, I say let tartarugafeliz get started on business after the design dependencies for the stories we just discussed. 2011-08-17 13:41:51+0000 <arbrandes> With the video there's a lot we can do, I'm sure 2011-08-17 13:41:54+0000 * antoviaque just realised he understood things wrong twice :p 2011-08-17 13:42:05+0000 <arbrandes> hahahahahha 2011-08-17 13:42:16+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: true, especially because the beginning is very similar to the author view 2011-08-17 13:42:29+0000 <antoviaque> ok, done deal then : ) 2011-08-17 13:42:36+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yes, that's what I thought 2011-08-17 13:42:45+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: we can just sort out how many stories you take now 2011-08-17 13:42:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok 2011-08-17 13:43:38+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok if I take off, now? will be back in about 5 hours (traffic permitting) 2011-08-17 13:44:03+0000 <arbrandes> I'll finish creating the actual tasks then 2011-08-17 13:44:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: all good - thanks for your help :) 2011-08-17 13:44:40+0000 <antoviaque> and good luck with the tasks later on ;p 2011-08-17 13:45:00+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, thanks :) thank you too, tartarugafeliz, see you later 2011-08-17 13:45:07+0000 <arbrandes> over and out 2011-08-17 13:45:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> see you later arbrandes! 2011-08-17 13:47:16+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: i created the image preloading task as #367 2011-08-17 13:47:25+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: thanks looking 2011-08-17 13:47:35+0000 <mtyaka> let me know what you think 2011-08-17 13:49:02+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: sounds good to me 2011-08-17 13:49:14+0000 <antoviaque> it raises the question of design though, for the progress bar 2011-08-17 13:49:44+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: yes, that's true 2011-08-17 13:50:17+0000 <antoviaque> I was thinking that maybe for this first version you could only do a minimal plain HTML design, and when tartarugafeliz gets some watermelons to spare, whe could then designit 2011-08-17 13:50:21+0000 <antoviaque> what do you think? 2011-08-17 13:50:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> good idea! 2011-08-17 13:51:54+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: yes, that's what i imagined i would do 2011-08-17 13:51:59+0000 <antoviaque> ok, perfect then 2011-08-17 13:52:48+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-08-17 13:55:53+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: can we put an estimate on it? 2011-08-17 13:59:56+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: i was thinking 8 hours since it will require extensive testing with various browsers/cache header configurations 2011-08-17 14:00:05+0000 <mtyaka> i have to go out for some minutes, bbl 2011-08-17 14:01:24+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: good for me 2011-08-17 14:19:46+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: great, thanks! 2011-08-17 14:21:04+0000 <antoviaque> blurp 2011-08-17 14:48:49+0000 <blanchard> back 2011-08-17 14:49:04+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz maybe i misunderstood the log, but CNC truck is not asap 2011-08-17 14:49:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its not for september 2nd 2011-08-17 14:49:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ? 2011-08-17 14:49:41+0000 <blanchard> i can have reviews and feedback next week when i finish my draft, without deisgn 2011-08-17 14:49:45+0000 <blanchard> yes it is :) 2011-08-17 14:49:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so it is asap!!! :D 2011-08-17 14:50:01+0000 <blanchard> kind of yeah 2011-08-17 14:50:03+0000 <blanchard> ;) 2011-08-17 14:50:09+0000 <blanchard> but you see what i mean 2011-08-17 14:50:23+0000 <blanchard> not asap like even before that 2011-08-17 14:55:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahah of course! 2011-08-17 14:55:54+0000 <antoviaque> crazy bunch :) 2011-08-17 15:24:41+0000 <antoviaque> gave a first shot at the credits - if you want to have a look: http://wiki.farsides.com/w/Card_Stories_Credits 2011-08-17 15:24:57+0000 <antoviaque> any feedback highly welcome, it's tricky to do right and exhaustive :) 2011-08-17 15:32:15+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-17 15:34:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its perfect! :) thanks antoviaque 2011-08-17 15:34:21+0000 <antoviaque> yw :) 2011-08-17 15:40:05+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: do you know how we can submit the credits "officially" btw? 2011-08-17 15:40:11+0000 <antoviaque> while I'm at it... 2011-08-17 15:40:47+0000 * blanchard tries to remember 2011-08-17 15:43:02+0000 <antoviaque> http://www.mobygames.com ? 2011-08-17 15:43:12+0000 <blanchard> yeah ! 2011-08-17 15:44:39+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2011-08-17 16:55:59+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-08-17 16:59:46+0000 <dachary> back 2011-08-17 17:03:21+0000 <antoviaque> re : ) 2011-08-17 18:38:20+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-08-17 20:24:57+0000 <MCMic> wow, the website kind of changed a lot since last time I checked it (farsides.com)
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