Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2011-11-11.
2011-11-11 06:19:53+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-11-11 07:28:13+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-11-11 07:38:30+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-11-11 10:55:32+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-11-11 11:34:59+0000 blanchard2 (blanchard2) is now online 2011-11-11 12:49:27+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2011-11-11 13:21:46+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2011-11-11 13:26:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> players are challenging me: [email protected]: i have t go now, so no playing anymore for me, for real. but ill be here in the evening, and i expect some playing skills around here :D 2011-11-11 13:26:30+0000 <blanchard2> :) 2011-11-11 13:28:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :P 2011-11-11 13:31:45+0000 <antoviaque> ahhaha 2011-11-11 13:31:50+0000 <antoviaque> hello btw : ) 2011-11-11 13:31:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2011-11-11 13:31:56+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start dailymeeting 2011-11-11 13:31:56+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve_: yesterday|today|blockers <your report>" 2011-11-11 13:32:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and today is the meeting from 11.11.11! 2011-11-11 13:32:22+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-11-11 13:32:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> very mystic!! hahahaha 2011-11-11 13:32:28+0000 <antoviaque> doom's day? 2011-11-11 13:32:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> well with this weather we have here, its probably doomed, yes 2011-11-11 13:32:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahahahah 2011-11-11 13:32:44+0000 <mtyaka> :) 2011-11-11 13:32:52+0000 <blanchard2> no, beginning of a new era of love and happiness 2011-11-11 13:32:59+0000 * blanchard2 optimistic ? 2011-11-11 13:33:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> oohhh cute 2011-11-11 13:33:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> playing too much CS 2011-11-11 13:33:08+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2011-11-11 13:33:12+0000 <blanchard2> hehe 2011-11-11 13:33:12+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2011-11-11 13:33:18+0000 <antoviaque> so who wants to start? 2011-11-11 13:33:22+0000 <mtyaka> It is sunny here for the first time in weeks, so not everything is lost yet 2011-11-11 13:33:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ohh hope! 2011-11-11 13:33:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: yesterday I spent the day out sorry that I didn't come to the meeting 2011-11-11 13:33:33+0000 <eve> Done: I spent the day out sorry that I didn't come to the meeting 2011-11-11 13:33:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blockers none 2011-11-11 13:33:34+0000 <eve> Blockers: none 2011-11-11 13:33:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: today I'm making some sketches for the new cards and I'm playing CS 2011-11-11 13:33:34+0000 <eve> Next: I'm making some sketches for the new cards and I'm playing CS 2011-11-11 13:33:39+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: lucky you, here it's deseparately gery for weeks :( 2011-11-11 13:33:43+0000 <blanchard2> it's quick on my side today 2011-11-11 13:33:44+0000 <antoviaque> *grey 2011-11-11 13:33:45+0000 <blanchard2> eve, yesterday : A bit of admin (cap raise/shares for founders/appointment Xav) 2011-11-11 13:33:45+0000 <eve> Done: : A bit of admin (cap raise/shares for founders/appointment Xav) 2011-11-11 13:33:45+0000 <blanchard2> eve, today : Not much (job search) 2011-11-11 13:33:46+0000 <eve> Next: : Not much (job search) 2011-11-11 13:33:45+0000 <blanchard2> eve, blockers : nope. 2011-11-11 13:33:46+0000 <eve> Blockers: : nope 2011-11-11 13:34:06+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: new caaaaards! :D 2011-11-11 13:34:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its a mystic day to search for a job 2011-11-11 13:34:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :P 2011-11-11 13:34:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> new caaaards new caaards, I'm dreaming about it already 2011-11-11 13:34:26+0000 <blanchard2> :) 2011-11-11 13:34:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> everyone I speak with talk to me about cards 2011-11-11 13:34:35+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard2: good luck :) 2011-11-11 13:34:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm getting crazy. hahaha 2011-11-11 13:34:39+0000 <blanchard2> tartarugafeliz: neeeeeeeew caaaaaaaaaaaaards 2011-11-11 13:34:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> gahahahahahaahha 2011-11-11 13:34:46+0000 <blanchard2> ;) 2011-11-11 13:34:48+0000 <mtyaka> hehe, can't wait to see them! 2011-11-11 13:34:58+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-11-11 13:34:59+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaah me too mtyaka 2011-11-11 13:35:00+0000 <mtyaka> no pressure, though :P 2011-11-11 13:35:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeah yea 2011-11-11 13:35:05+0000 <antoviaque> no, never 2011-11-11 13:35:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahahaha 2011-11-11 13:35:12+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2011-11-11 13:35:18+0000 <blanchard2> no, no pressure (neeeeeew caaaaaaaaaaards !!!!!!) 2011-11-11 13:35:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: yesterday Redefined CS ad campaign on stumbleupon to prepare higher traffic experiment, iscussed UI of countdown with mtyaka, Plebia (automated processing of torrent identification through unit tests for faster reporting) 2011-11-11 13:35:23+0000 <eve> Done: Redefined CS ad campaign on stumbleupon to prepare higher traffic experiment, iscussed UI of countdown with mtyaka, Plebia (automated processing of torrent identification through unit tests for faster reporting) 2011-11-11 13:35:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: today Higher traffic experiment on cs.org (if fine with you, I'd like to try raising from 400 visits to 1-2K today, to see the effect on the game/chat dynamic, and see if the players sustain playing without our help), discuss internship with MCMic (didn't see yesterday), debug on Plebia using new testing method as time allows 2011-11-11 13:35:25+0000 <eve> Next: Higher traffic experiment on cs.org (if fine with you, I'd like to try raising from 400 visits to 1-2K today, to see the effect on the game/chat dynamic, and see if the players sustain playing without our help), discuss internship with MCMic (didn't see yesterday), debug on Plebia using new testing method as time allows 2011-11-11 13:35:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers None 2011-11-11 13:35:26+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-11-11 13:35:53+0000 <blanchard2> antoviaque: do you have money on SU for the increased traffic test ? 2011-11-11 13:35:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I think its very worth trying this experiment 2011-11-11 13:36:09+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard2: there is $80 left, we can probably use that for the day 2011-11-11 13:36:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2011-11-11 13:36:30+0000 <blanchard2> ok antoviaque remind me when you need me to refill 2011-11-11 13:36:37+0000 <antoviaque> I'm trying to use the $0.10/visit campaigns too (currently only the $0.05/visit) - to see the difference 2011-11-11 13:37:01+0000 <blanchard2> more accurate antoviaque ? 2011-11-11 13:37:04+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard2: when you can - today we depleat so you can either do it now or during the week-end 2011-11-11 13:37:11+0000 <blanchard2> antoviaque: ok 2011-11-11 13:37:29+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard2: more volume available (so maybe more regular), and they say "more engaged" traffic 2011-11-11 13:37:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we need more engaged people 2011-11-11 13:37:55+0000 <blanchard2> oki (not sure about more engaged meaning) 2011-11-11 13:38:10+0000 <antoviaque> so not really sure about the effect, the experiment will help figuring out : ) 2011-11-11 13:38:17+0000 <blanchard2> yep :) 2011-11-11 13:38:30+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: next? : ) 2011-11-11 13:38:39+0000 <mtyaka> eve: yesterday Worked on #544 (settable countdown), made good progress, but there are still quite some things left to do. 2011-11-11 13:38:39+0000 <eve> Done: Worked on #544 (settable countdown), made good progress, but there are still quite some things left to do 2011-11-11 13:38:40+0000 <mtyaka> eve: today During the weekend continue to work on #544. 2011-11-11 13:38:41+0000 <eve> Next: During the weekend continue to work on #544 2011-11-11 13:38:42+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blockers None. 2011-11-11 13:38:42+0000 <eve> Blockers: None 2011-11-11 13:39:01+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: thx! 2011-11-11 13:39:21+0000 <mtyaka> my pleasure 2011-11-11 13:39:24+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: btw we discussed the UI yesterday tartarugafeliz - you may want to scroll back your history to see if it's ok with you : ) 2011-11-11 13:39:31+0000 <antoviaque> about the countdown 2011-11-11 13:39:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> where can I see it antoviaque? because I can't see much from yesterday 2011-11-11 13:40:16+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: your irc client probably keeps a log 2011-11-11 13:40:26+0000 <antoviaque> otherwise it's storred, let me find the url 2011-11-11 13:40:46+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: http://forum.farsides.com/index.php?t=msg&th=64635&start=0&; 2011-11-11 13:40:48+0000 <blanchard2> antoviaque: fyi buddypress on travian notes : "professionals" keep insisting on stickyness/retention, I'm not saying this is new (we have these matters in mind), but just for the record, it's recurring as first feedback. 2011-11-11 13:40:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you! 2011-11-11 13:41:38+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard2: oki, I'll have a look - thx 2011-11-11 13:41:55+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: something to report? : ) 2011-11-11 13:41:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's what we're working on :) 2011-11-11 13:42:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> amongst other stuff 2011-11-11 13:42:05+0000 <blanchard2> tartarugafeliz: i know :) 2011-11-11 13:42:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we'll get it! :D 2011-11-11 13:42:18+0000 <blanchard2> just providing feedback from my sources :) 2011-11-11 13:42:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap, but its also good to remember that we're working on it, so we don't get that worried (at least for me its good to remember this kind of things) :) 2011-11-11 13:43:09+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: nope 2011-11-11 13:43:15+0000 <dachary> nothing under the sun 2011-11-11 13:43:23+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ok : ) (and hi ;p ) 2011-11-11 13:43:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> you have sun there dachary? :) 2011-11-11 13:44:34+0000 <antoviaque> something else for today? 2011-11-11 13:44:35+0000 <blanchard2> tartarugafeliz: I'm not worried, I'm merely adding to the players feedback the feedback of people i talk to. The good thing is that more or less points in the same direction. 2011-11-11 13:44:48+0000 <blanchard2> nope not for me :) 2011-11-11 13:44:55+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard2: yep, new caaaards :p 2011-11-11 13:45:00+0000 <mtyaka> not for me either :) 2011-11-11 13:45:03+0000 <tartarugafeliz> pffffffff 2011-11-11 13:45:06+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2011-11-11 13:45:10+0000 <blanchard2> antoviaque: hehe, absolutely :D 2011-11-11 13:45:13+0000 <mtyaka> :D 2011-11-11 13:45:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) I'm drawing aliens 2011-11-11 13:46:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> people want aliens with black holes in it! 2011-11-11 13:46:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so here I go! ahahahah 2011-11-11 13:46:11+0000 <blanchard2> oh my god 2011-11-11 13:46:38+0000 <blanchard2> 11.11.11, black hole drawn by tartarugafeliz is going to aspire the earth 2011-11-11 13:46:45+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaahahah 2011-11-11 13:46:45+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end dailymeeting 2011-11-11 13:46:46+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2011-11-11 13:46:46+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/506260 2011-11-11 14:03:59+0000 MCMic (MCMic) is now online 2011-11-11 16:09:33+0000 <antoviaque> ok, the experiment of a higher traffic made the server battle a little bit :p 2011-11-11 16:09:41+0000 <antoviaque> http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/588 2011-11-11 16:11:10+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: would be good to discuss when you have some time (or maybe make it the topic of your next day, depending on how it would be best to solve) 2011-11-11 16:17:21+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: why are there so many apache processes ? 2011-11-11 16:18:29+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: not sure - because of prefork? 2011-11-11 16:18:48+0000 <dachary> hum 2011-11-11 16:19:24+0000 <antoviaque> StartServers 5 2011-11-11 16:19:24+0000 <antoviaque> MinSpareServers 5 2011-11-11 16:19:24+0000 <antoviaque> MaxSpareServers 10 2011-11-11 16:19:24+0000 <antoviaque> MaxClients 150 2011-11-11 16:19:24+0000 <antoviaque> MaxRequestsPerChild 0 2011-11-11 16:20:34+0000 <dachary> there is enough ram 2011-11-11 16:20:38+0000 <dachary> IO does not seem to be the problem 2011-11-11 16:20:54+0000 <dachary> 0.0%wa 2011-11-11 16:21:05+0000 <dachary> that leaves CPU 2011-11-11 16:21:08+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: the stats are after the server started responding again 2011-11-11 16:21:24+0000 <antoviaque> so it's possible that it was IO, but that it didn't show once passed 2011-11-11 16:22:02+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: you have a running munin on cardstories2 ? 2011-11-11 16:22:09+0000 <antoviaque> nope 2011-11-11 16:22:13+0000 <antoviaque> should I ? :p 2011-11-11 16:22:26+0000 <dachary> would be a good idea indeed 2011-11-11 16:22:32+0000 <dachary> it would show the trend 2011-11-11 16:24:00+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: I can try to bench the server to figure out what is the bottleneck 2011-11-11 16:24:08+0000 <dachary> next wednesday 2011-11-11 16:25:05+0000 <antoviaque> yep, would be good before trying to put the same type of traffic on it again (or the tests will get expensive :p) - I'll try to put a munin in the meantime too to have more info if it happens again 2011-11-11 16:25:34+0000 <dachary> even if it does not happen it will show interesting things 2011-11-11 16:25:44+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: ok 2011-11-11 16:25:47+0000 <antoviaque> thanks : ) 2011-11-11 16:25:52+0000 <dachary> Cpu(s): 7.8%us, 91.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 0.0%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.9%si, 0.0%st 2011-11-11 16:25:59+0000 <dachary> it shows the CPU is 100% 2011-11-11 16:28:16+0000 <dachary> if you have 400 users, displaying one page each 20 seconds, the server needs to be able to display 20 pages per second. If it takes more than 1/20 sec ( 50ms ) to display a single page, you're fucked. 2011-11-11 16:29:08+0000 <dachary> I think that's what happens here. The CPU load to serve a single page is too high. That could be confirmed by simulating the load. 2011-11-11 16:30:06+0000 <dachary> my hunch is that it takes at least 100ms, more probably 200ms of CPU time to render a page ( that's all included, apache, python cardstories, django, owa and whatever ) 2011-11-11 16:32:41+0000 <dachary> IIRC it takes 15ms for the cardstories server to answer a request 2011-11-11 16:38:38+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: yep, it would make sense 2011-11-11 16:38:51+0000 <antoviaque> especially when apache has to fork lots of processes 2011-11-11 16:39:34+0000 <antoviaque> I've installed a munin, sending the login/pass by email 2011-11-11 16:40:37+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: just install munin-node not munin 2011-11-11 16:40:48+0000 <antoviaque> oh, why? 2011-11-11 16:40:54+0000 <dachary> munin rendering uses a lot of CPU 2011-11-11 16:41:02+0000 <dachary> which is not what you want ;-) 2011-11-11 16:41:20+0000 <dachary> you can install munin on another machine 2011-11-11 16:42:30+0000 <antoviaque> I see - otherwise when it is overloaded, it won't work well? 2011-11-11 16:43:22+0000 <antoviaque> you have already a server you use for this? otherwise I'll put on the other farsides server 2011-11-11 16:48:01+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: it would be better on a farsides server 2011-11-11 16:48:09+0000 <antoviaque> ok 2011-11-11 16:48:27+0000 <dachary> the existing servers are cluttered with dozens of machines 2011-11-11 16:48:37+0000 <dachary> munin servers that is 2011-11-11 17:24:17+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: installed on the second server too, and login/pass sent by email 2011-11-11 17:26:07+0000 <dachary> antoviaque: excellent 2011-11-11 20:15:39+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2011-11-11 21:56:46+0000 mtyaka_ (mtyaka_) is now online 2011-11-11 23:36:29+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
