Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2012-03-02.
2012-03-02 08:42:54+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2012-03-02 10:24:29+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-02 12:13:43+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-02 12:27:50+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2012-03-02 12:47:31+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2012-03-02 13:04:44+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-02 13:31:21+0000 <antoviaque> hello! 2012-03-02 13:31:25+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting 2012-03-02 13:31:26+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve: (done|next|blocked by) <first thing>, <second thing>, ..." 2012-03-02 13:31:49+0000 <arbrandes> hey there! 2012-03-02 13:31:53+0000 <dachary> <last thing> 2012-03-02 13:31:57+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2012-03-02 13:31:58+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: morning sir 2012-03-02 13:32:02+0000 <arbrandes> hey dachary ! :) 2012-03-02 13:32:06+0000 <dachary> <famous last words> 2012-03-02 13:32:12+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehehe 2012-03-02 13:32:18+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: how are you ? 2012-03-02 13:32:21+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah 2012-03-02 13:32:30+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: hello sir! :p 2012-03-02 13:32:36+0000 <dachary> (sorry to polute the meeting, I'm in a conf call and bored, I'll go silent now ;-) 2012-03-02 13:32:40+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2012-03-02 13:32:45+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, actually, I'm feeling great now that I'm back fulltime on CS :) 2012-03-02 13:32:46+0000 <arbrandes> you? 2012-03-02 13:32:58+0000 <antoviaque> dachary: please do polute the meeting :p 2012-03-02 13:32:59+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: great :-) 2012-03-02 13:33:17+0000 <dachary> arbrandes: we should talk about cloudification and CS 2012-03-02 13:33:18+0000 <mtyaka> hey everyone! 2012-03-02 13:33:30+0000 <dachary> but another day ;-) 2012-03-02 13:33:34+0000 <dachary> mtyaka: morning sir 2012-03-02 13:33:35+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: oh, beware! he will try to convert you :p 2012-03-02 13:33:41+0000 <antoviaque> hey mtyaka! 2012-03-02 13:33:51+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, oooo, yeah, the Great Cloudification Project! How's that coming? ;) 2012-03-02 13:33:57+0000 <arbrandes> hey mtyaka! 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: done Day off 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Good job! 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next HS ; work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/330895 "API for plugins to provide a web interface" and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/942844 "Webchat Interface" 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Quite a plan. 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blocked by none 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Glad to hear that 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> My notes of antoviaque's report: 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque worked on: 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> * Day off 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque will be working on next: 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> * HS 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> * work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/330895 "API for plugins to provide a web interface" and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ibid/+bug/942844 "Webchat Interface" 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> - What's blocking antoviaque: 2012-03-02 13:34:22+0000 <eve> * none 2012-03-02 13:35:13+0000 <arbrandes> Lemme do mine, then 2012-03-02 13:35:17+0000 <arbrandes> eve: done Set up sprint 2.6, started on levels server-side (#853) 2012-03-02 13:35:18+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Good job! 2012-03-02 13:35:18+0000 <arbrandes> eve: next Finish #853, start reviewing mtyaka's tasks (sorry it's taking so long), start on client-side levels (#854) 2012-03-02 13:35:18+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Quite a plan. 2012-03-02 13:35:18+0000 <arbrandes> eve: blocked by ordering of the backlog (for following sprints), selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt), how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> arbrandes: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> My notes of arbrandes's report: 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes worked on: 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> * Set up sprint 2.6, started on levels server-side (#853) 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes will be working on next: 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> * Finish #853, start reviewing mtyaka's tasks (sorry it's taking so long), start on client-side levels (#854) 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> - What's blocking arbrandes: 2012-03-02 13:35:19+0000 <eve> * ordering of the backlog (for following sprints), selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt), how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) 2012-03-02 13:35:41+0000 <mtyaka> no worries about review, arbrandes :) 2012-03-02 13:35:41+0000 <arbrandes> What's the separator for blockages? commas or semicolons? 2012-03-02 13:36:09+0000 * dachary looking up the BNF of the eve langage 2012-03-02 13:36:28+0000 <mtyaka> eve: done Worked on #838 (show what the author is doing in create state) but didn't get very far yet. 2012-03-02 13:36:28+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Good job! 2012-03-02 13:36:28+0000 <mtyaka> eve: next Continue working on #838 (show what the author is doing in create state). 2012-03-02 13:36:29+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Quite a plan. 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blocked by Would like to discuss what we want from #838 to give me some confidence in what I am doing. 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> mtyaka: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> My notes of mtyaka's report: 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> - What mtyaka worked on: 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> * Worked on #838 (show what the author is doing in create state) but didn't get very far yet 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> - What mtyaka will be working on next: 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> * Continue working on #838 (show what the author is doing in create state) 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> - What's blocking mtyaka: 2012-03-02 13:36:30+0000 <eve> * Would like to discuss what we want from #838 to give me some confidence in what I am doing 2012-03-02 13:36:31+0000 <arbrandes> thanks mtyaka... :) my goal is to do them by monday at the latest 2012-03-02 13:36:35+0000 <dachary> on fridays the separator is a coma 2012-03-02 13:36:42+0000 <arbrandes> dachary, lol 2012-03-02 13:36:59+0000 <arbrandes> eve help 2012-03-02 13:36:59+0000 <eve> arbrandes: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff. 2012-03-02 13:37:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> south african stuff hahahahah 2012-03-02 13:37:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: semi-colons 2012-03-02 13:37:32+0000 <arbrandes> eve help me with remembering things 2012-03-02 13:37:32+0000 <eve> arbrandes: I use the following features for remembering things: factoid, karma, meeting, memo, remind and seen 2012-03-02 13:37:33+0000 <arbrandes> (?) 2012-03-02 13:37:42+0000 <arbrandes> lol, south african stuff was great 2012-03-02 13:37:50+0000 <arbrandes> eve how do I use meeting 2012-03-02 13:37:51+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Take minutes of an IRC Meeting. You can use it like this: 2012-03-02 13:38:13+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2012-03-02 13:38:18+0000 <arbrandes> lol, ok, sorry for the spam 2012-03-02 13:38:21+0000 <antoviaque> np 2012-03-02 13:38:37+0000 <antoviaque> commas were splitting too much 2012-03-02 13:38:56+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agenda 2012-03-02 13:38:56+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Here is the current agenda: 2012-03-02 13:38:56+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 1. ordering of the backlog (for following sprints), selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt), how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) 2012-03-02 13:38:56+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 2. Would like to discuss what we want from #838 to give me some confidence in what I am doing 2012-03-02 13:39:12+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agenda- 1 2012-03-02 13:39:13+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Ok, I removed "ordering of the backlog (for following sprints), selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt), how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like)" from the agenda 2012-03-02 13:39:51+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blockers ordering of the backlog (for following sprints); selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt); how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) [arbrandes] 2012-03-02 13:39:51+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry... 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blocked by ordering of the backlog (for following sprints); selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt); how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) [arbrandes] 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> antoviaque: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> My notes of arbrandes's report: 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes worked on: 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> * Set up sprint 2.6, started on levels server-side (#853) 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes will be working on next: 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> * Finish #853, start reviewing mtyaka's tasks (sorry it's taking so long), start on client-side levels (#854) 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> - What's blocking arbrandes: 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> * ordering of the backlog (for following sprints), selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt), how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> * ordering of the backlog (for following sprints) 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> * selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt) 2012-03-02 13:39:58+0000 <eve> * how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) 2012-03-02 13:40:14+0000 <antoviaque> eve: agenda? 2012-03-02 13:40:15+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Here is the current agenda: 2012-03-02 13:40:15+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 1. Would like to discuss what we want from #838 to give me some confidence in what I am doing 2012-03-02 13:40:15+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 2. ordering of the backlog (for following sprints) 2012-03-02 13:40:15+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 3. selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt) 2012-03-02 13:40:15+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 4. how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like) 2012-03-02 13:40:30+0000 <antoviaque> good :) sorry for the spam! :p 2012-03-02 13:40:55+0000 <arbrandes> thanks! :) 2012-03-02 13:41:23+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: you're next? : ) 2012-03-02 13:41:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: done I worked on my freelancers and I finished 2 of them!!! Now, there is just one to finish! continued preparing TF for animation on Toon Boom - you can follow the results on the fb page if you want btw! :) 2012-03-02 13:41:29+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Good job! 2012-03-02 13:41:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: next I'll finish the last freelancer, search for more of them and continue working on Tartaruga Feliz e Seus Amigos 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Quite a plan. 2012-03-02 13:41:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blocked by none 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Glad to hear that 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> My notes of tartarugafeliz's report: 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz worked on: 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> * I worked on my freelancers and I finished 2 of them!!! Now, there is just one to finish! continued preparing TF for animation on Toon Boom - you can follow the results on the fb page if you want btw! :) 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz will be working on next: 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> * I'll finish the last freelancer, search for more of them and continue working on Tartaruga Feliz e Seus Amigos 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> - What's blocking tartarugafeliz: 2012-03-02 13:41:30+0000 <eve> * none 2012-03-02 13:41:50+0000 <antoviaque> thx! 2012-03-02 13:41:54+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-02 13:41:54+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "Would like to discuss what we want from #838 to give me some confidence in what I am doing" (from mtyaka) 2012-03-02 13:42:02+0000 * antoviaque looking at #838 2012-03-02 13:42:45+0000 <antoviaque> ah - ok. What would you like to clarify mtyaka ? 2012-03-02 13:42:54+0000 <mtyaka> My idea for #838 is to reuse the animation that is shown when a new player enters 'invitation' state 2012-03-02 13:43:18+0000 * arbrandes looking too 2012-03-02 13:43:22+0000 <antoviaque> yup, sounds good 2012-03-02 13:43:22+0000 <mtyaka> but to split that animation into three parts (picking card, writing sentence, after wrote sentence) 2012-03-02 13:43:36+0000 <antoviaque> that's what I had in mind too 2012-03-02 13:43:44+0000 <mtyaka> and I think the players should join the game if they visit it while it's still in create state 2012-03-02 13:43:53+0000 <mtyaka> (currently they can only join the game in 'invitation' state 2012-03-02 13:44:19+0000 <mtyaka> so in 'create' state, both the author and players could see who has already joined the game (and is waiting for the gm to finish creating it) 2012-03-02 13:44:28+0000 <antoviaque> yup - that's what would make the most sense when doing a series of games on a single table 2012-03-02 13:45:10+0000 <mtyaka> ok, the other thing that I need to make sure as that transitioning from 'create' into 'invitation' is smooth 2012-03-02 13:45:25+0000 <mtyaka> (the whole animations shouldn't be run again, for instance) 2012-03-02 13:46:02+0000 <mtyaka> oh, also I forgot to mention.... 2012-03-02 13:46:20+0000 <antoviaque> yup - except for players who join at that point, you may have a series of specific cases to look at 2012-03-02 13:46:42+0000 <mtyaka> when the animation of author being dealt the cards is show, a popup would come up that would say something "Please wait while the game master chooses his card" 2012-03-02 13:47:17+0000 <mtyaka> and the popup would stay there until the GM picks a card, and after that would be replaced by another popup "Please wait while the GM creates the sentence" 2012-03-02 13:47:39+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2012-03-02 13:47:49+0000 <arbrandes> This is all just so the player knows what's going on while he waits, right? 2012-03-02 13:47:56+0000 <mtyaka> and after the sentence is written, the popup would disappear, and transition into the usual 'invitation' state 2012-03-02 13:48:02+0000 <antoviaque> (just s/creates the sentence/writes the story/) 2012-03-02 13:48:18+0000 <mtyaka> ok 2012-03-02 13:48:40+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: all good for me, you nailed it imho 2012-03-02 13:48:45+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yep : ) 2012-03-02 13:49:04+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: yes, but also the GM will be able to see who is waiting for him to create the story 2012-03-02 13:49:08+0000 <arbrandes> ok, thanks - sounds good, as far as I can tell 2012-03-02 13:49:14+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: great, thanks! 2012-03-02 13:49:34+0000 <mtyaka> wanted to confirm i'm on the right track before spending too much time going there 2012-03-02 13:50:00+0000 <mtyaka> thanks :) 2012-03-02 13:50:07+0000 <mtyaka> eve: next topic! 2012-03-02 13:50:07+0000 <eve> mtyaka: I'm not going to listen to you 2012-03-02 13:50:12+0000 <mtyaka> grrrr 2012-03-02 13:50:26+0000 <mtyaka> eve: next topic, please? 2012-03-02 13:50:26+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Sorry... 2012-03-02 13:50:27+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahaha 2012-03-02 13:50:32+0000 <antoviaque> nananana :p 2012-03-02 13:50:34+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2012-03-02 13:50:52+0000 <antoviaque> eve: mtyaka is nice 2012-03-02 13:50:52+0000 <eve> antoviaque: If you say so 2012-03-02 13:51:02+0000 <mtyaka> haha 2012-03-02 13:51:03+0000 <antoviaque> eve: what is mtyaka? 2012-03-02 13:51:03+0000 <eve> antoviaque: mtyaka is nice 2012-03-02 13:51:06+0000 <antoviaque> :D 2012-03-02 13:51:07+0000 <arbrandes> seriously? rofl 2012-03-02 13:51:11+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-02 13:51:11+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "ordering of the backlog (for following sprints)" (from arbrandes) 2012-03-02 13:51:57+0000 <arbrandes> ok, this is simply a suggestion to order the backlog as a suggestion for the following sprints 2012-03-02 13:52:08+0000 <arbrandes> with the order field, I mean 2012-03-02 13:52:37+0000 <arbrandes> It makes it easier to know what to work on next 2012-03-02 13:52:43+0000 * antoviaque looking 2012-03-02 13:53:17+0000 <arbrandes> I mean in the current sprint query - I did it with a few of the stories 2012-03-02 13:53:33+0000 <arbrandes> http://tickets.farsides.com/projects/cardstories/issues?query_id=16 2012-03-02 13:53:40+0000 <arbrandes> Specifically in the "None" section 2012-03-02 13:54:24+0000 <antoviaque> yep, the order for the next sprints seem good 2012-03-02 13:55:03+0000 <antoviaque> and yes, agreed to put technical debt on the top - would be better to take care of that progressively 2012-03-02 13:55:06+0000 <arbrandes> What I did was just a guess, of course, specially with stuff I'm not going to work on myself 2012-03-02 13:55:37+0000 <arbrandes> (or maybe I am... anyway, you get the drift, hehehe) 2012-03-02 13:55:41+0000 <antoviaque> seem to have got it right :) thanks for this :D 2012-03-02 13:56:04+0000 <antoviaque> in any case we can look at it for each sprint 2012-03-02 13:56:28+0000 <antoviaque> all good for everyone here? 2012-03-02 13:56:31+0000 <mtyaka> it's looking pretty good 2012-03-02 13:56:45+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2012-03-02 13:56:48+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-02 13:56:48+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "selection and assignment of bugs for current sprint(i.e. technical debt)" (from arbrandes) 2012-03-02 13:57:10+0000 <antoviaque> ah, talked too early about that one, sorry :p 2012-03-02 13:57:23+0000 <arbrandes> This is the tech debt thing we discussed yesterday, antoviaque - for each sprint, maybe we can select a few tasks from that story 2012-03-02 13:57:35+0000 <antoviaque> +1 2012-03-02 13:57:44+0000 <arbrandes> And stick them in the "Bugs" story 2012-03-02 13:58:39+0000 <arbrandes> I obviously like the idea, so... mtyaka, does it sound ok to you? 2012-03-02 13:58:51+0000 <mtyaka> arbrandes: yes, absolutely 2012-03-02 13:59:05+0000 <antoviaque> is there room to do it for this sprint, or is it startin next week? 2012-03-02 13:59:14+0000 <arbrandes> it's just so we don't forget about this stuff, but on the other hand, we don't need to do it all at once 2012-03-02 13:59:25+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, this sprint is pretty tight already 2012-03-02 13:59:45+0000 <arbrandes> also, we already have two bugs on it, so I guess we're cool :) 2012-03-02 13:59:52+0000 <antoviaque> alrighty :p 2012-03-02 14:00:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-02 14:00:08+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "how to handle time spent in meta tasks (code reviews and the like)" (from arbrandes) 2012-03-02 14:00:28+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: you create a specific task for the code reviews (one per month) 2012-03-02 14:00:36+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, what do I do? Sometimes the time spent is going to be larger than "normal" - do I create a task for it? 2012-03-02 14:00:47+0000 <antoviaque> like http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/814 2012-03-02 14:00:48+0000 <arbrandes> ahhh, ok, one per month 2012-03-02 14:01:06+0000 <arbrandes> cool, that answers my question, thanks 2012-03-02 14:01:46+0000 <antoviaque> what mtyaka does really well is that he posts a quick log of what was involved - on tasks where there is no "patch", it's a good habit 2012-03-02 14:02:08+0000 <arbrandes> cool, I'm going to follow his example 2012-03-02 14:02:22+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-02 14:02:23+0000 <eve> antoviaque: That's all folks! 2012-03-02 14:02:26+0000 <antoviaque> cool! 2012-03-02 14:02:34+0000 <antoviaque> thanks :) 2012-03-02 14:02:38+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end meeting 2012-03-02 14:02:39+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended 2012-03-02 14:02:39+0000 <eve> Minutes available at http://paste.pocoo.org/show/559749 2012-03-02 14:03:02+0000 <mtyaka> productive meeting, thanks everyone! 2012-03-02 14:03:45+0000 <arbrandes> thanks mtyaka, antoviaque, everybody :) 2012-03-02 14:04:56+0000 <arbrandes> brb 2012-03-02 16:02:14+0000 mrjmad (mrjmad) is now online 2012-03-02 16:15:21+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2012-03-02 16:21:48+0000 mrjmad (mrjmad) is now online 2012-03-02 16:37:01+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2012-03-02 16:38:39+0000 antoviaque (antoviaque) is now online 2012-03-02 17:25:16+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-02 18:21:59+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2012-03-02 18:23:32+0000 arbrandes__ (arbrandes__) is now online 2012-03-02 20:33:44+0000 arbrandes__ (arbrandes__) is now online 2012-03-02 20:43:51+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online 2012-03-02 21:36:26+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2012-03-02 21:38:09+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-02 23:24:39+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online _______________________________________________ Farsides mailing list - [email protected] Wiki: http://farsides.com/ List: http://farsides.com/ml/ Forum: http://farsides.com/forum/ Ideas: http://farsides.com/ideas/ Chat: http://farsides.com/chat/
