Hi,
Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or
irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2012-03-21.
2012-03-21 03:41:18+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online
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2012-03-21 13:29:08+0000 <antoviaque> hello!
2012-03-21 13:31:06+0000 <blanchard1> hi!
2012-03-21 13:31:30+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting
2012-03-21 13:31:30+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1
dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve:
(done|next|blocked by) <first thing>, <second thing>, ..."
2012-03-21 13:31:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello! :)
2012-03-21 13:31:43+0000 <blanchard1> eve: done sent couple of mails to the HT
team
2012-03-21 13:31:43+0000 <eve> blanchard1: Good job!
2012-03-21 13:31:43+0000 <blanchard1> eve: blocked by nothing
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> blanchard1: Glad to hear that
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> My notes of blanchard1's report:
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> - What blanchard1 worked on:
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> * sent couple of mails to the HT team
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> - What blanchard1 will be working on next:
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> * push the forecast and discuss budget w/
Adolfo
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> * Enquire w/CNC for expenses
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> - What's blocking blanchard1:
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> * nothing
2012-03-21 13:31:43+0000 <blanchard1> eve: next push the forecast and discuss
budget w/ Adolfo; Enquire w/CNC for expenses
2012-03-21 13:31:44+0000 <eve> blanchard1: Quite a plan.
2012-03-21 13:31:58+0000 <blanchard1> hi tartarugafeliz :)
2012-03-21 13:32:26+0000 <antoviaque> cool, thx blanchard1!
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: done Hacker School - Learning Ruby
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Good job!
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next Update & test CS 2.8 on test
server ; Comment on mathibus' documents ; Start writing YC application for HT ;
Update of HT.com
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Quite a plan.
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blocked by Need to discuss with
clients that use online freelancing for the YC application
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> antoviaque: We'll need to solve that later, I'm
adding it to the agenda
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> My notes of antoviaque's report:
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque worked on:
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> * Hacker School - Learning Ruby
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque will be working on next:
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> * Update & test CS 2.8 on test server
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> * Comment on mathibus' documents
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> * Start writing YC application for HT
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> * Update of HT.com
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> - What's blocking antoviaque:
2012-03-21 13:32:31+0000 <eve> * Need to discuss with clients that use
online freelancing for the YC application
2012-03-21 13:33:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: done I started working on #792
{Animation to show how players level up}
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Good job!
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: next I'll continue working on
#792 {Animation to show how players level up} - maybe I'll be able to show you
guys something tomorrow.
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Quite a plan.
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blocked by nothing.
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Glad to hear that
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> My notes of tartarugafeliz's report:
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz worked on:
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> * I started working on #792 {Animation to
show how players level up}
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz will be working on next:
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> * I'll continue working on #792 {Animation
to show how players level up} - maybe I'll be able to show you guys something
tomorrow
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> - What's blocking tartarugafeliz:
2012-03-21 13:33:21+0000 <eve> * nothing
2012-03-21 13:33:40+0000 <antoviaque> ahh yey, I want to seeeeee :p
2012-03-21 13:33:49+0000 <blanchard1> hehe me too :)
2012-03-21 13:33:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> me tooo!!! :D
2012-03-21 13:33:55+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah
2012-03-21 13:34:22+0000 <antoviaque> ok, while we wait for arbrandes -
2012-03-21 13:34:27+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic
2012-03-21 13:34:27+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "Need to
discuss with clients that use online freelancing for the YC application" (from
antoviaque)
2012-03-21 13:34:52+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: any idea who I could talk to
to have feedback on the client side for HT?
2012-03-21 13:35:09+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: know some people that
would have good feedback for this too?
2012-03-21 13:35:56+0000 <antoviaque> because we've got some dev feedback, but
really missing the client part for the YC application
2012-03-21 13:36:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't know any client, only
freelancers haahah and they're mostly boring designers
2012-03-21 13:36:28+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: online freelancing only or
remote work in general
2012-03-21 13:37:01+0000 <blanchard1> (remote work from client side i mean)
2012-03-21 13:37:43+0000 <antoviaque> both could be interesting
2012-03-21 13:38:46+0000 <blanchard1> for remote working, you could discuss
with Jonathan (from playsoft) who is used to this with studios abroad
2012-03-21 13:38:56+0000 <blanchard1> he helped us w/ redmine scrum and stuff
2012-03-21 13:39:03+0000 <blanchard1> and might have insights
2012-03-21 13:39:06+0000 <antoviaque> good idea yep
2012-03-21 13:39:25+0000 * blanchard1 thinking
2012-03-21 13:39:56+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online
2012-03-21 13:40:01+0000 <antoviaque> hey arbrandes !
2012-03-21 13:40:03+0000 <arbrandes> Sorry I'm late
2012-03-21 13:40:07+0000 <antoviaque> eve: minutes so far
2012-03-21 13:40:08+0000 <eve> Minutes available at
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/569016
2012-03-21 13:40:13+0000 <arbrandes> I was having trouble connecting to
irc.freenode.net
2012-03-21 13:40:16+0000 <blanchard1> hi arbrandes :)
2012-03-21 13:40:17+0000 <antoviaque> np, it happens : )
2012-03-21 13:40:18+0000 <arbrandes> hey dudes
2012-03-21 13:40:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hello!
2012-03-21 13:42:19+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: i was thinking about Cado (he
started working w/ indian coders when i left, i don't know what happen to this
partnership afterwards), but could be worth a try
2012-03-21 13:42:56+0000 arbrandes1 (arbrandes1) is now online
2012-03-21 13:43:31+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: but he was doing the one
hiring the remote coders?
2012-03-21 13:43:44+0000 * antoviaque needs the decision makers :p
2012-03-21 13:44:03+0000 <antoviaque> s/doing//
2012-03-21 13:44:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what do you need from the clients
side?
2012-03-21 13:44:22+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: you're correct, he was not
hiring, but leading the remote work
2012-03-21 13:44:45+0000 <blanchard1> maybe Jonathan, as a producer, is more of
a decision maker (choice of people) on that side
2012-03-21 13:44:45+0000 <antoviaque> to understand if something like HT would
help them, and if not why
2012-03-21 13:45:10+0000 * arbrandes doesn't know any regular freelance hirers
2012-03-21 13:45:14+0000 <antoviaque> btw it's not about recruiting those
clients (won't try to sell anything), it's more to understand the needs better
2012-03-21 13:45:29+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: understood, still thinking :p
2012-03-21 13:45:33+0000 <antoviaque> :)
2012-03-21 13:45:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> when I get a project, normally my
clients asks *me* to take care of hiring coders
2012-03-21 13:46:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so I think I would be one of the
kinds of clients HT will have
2012-03-21 13:46:03+0000 <arbrandes> oh, good, interview tartarugafeliz! :)
2012-03-21 13:46:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> designers that hires coders
2012-03-21 13:46:14+0000 <antoviaque> ah, yep, very true :)
2012-03-21 13:46:35+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: you saw my note about
jonathan decision maker right ? Worth contacting him i think
2012-03-21 13:46:38+0000 <antoviaque> so yep I'll have questions for you :)
2012-03-21 13:46:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> my friends are always running in
circles and they NEVER find good coders to do what they need
2012-03-21 13:46:40+0000 <arbrandes> It's true, though, I've been approached by
more than one designer looking for hackers.
2012-03-21 13:46:42+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: yep, agreed!
2012-03-21 13:47:02+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: remember any names?
2012-03-21 13:47:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> Luciana for instance, she would be a
client for sure
2012-03-21 13:47:14+0000 <antoviaque> interesting
2012-03-21 13:47:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> HT could have this approach too, with
designers
2012-03-21 13:47:57+0000 <antoviaque> yep, could be worth discussing with a few
of them to understand the type of needs
2012-03-21 13:48:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> specially if we have already some
projects as examples and they're good, it can become something trendy to use,
you know?
2012-03-21 13:48:21+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: arbrandes: in your
experience, would it match what we propose with HT?
2012-03-21 13:48:28+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: +1
2012-03-21 13:48:34+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, sure, but the ones I know
aren't doing this anymore (and haven't for a while). But I can still get them
to say something, maybe. :)
2012-03-21 13:48:54+0000 <blanchard1> I have an idea of a friend here who was
head of prod of a french studio and worked with abroad contractors. I work with
him this afternoon i'll ask
2012-03-21 13:49:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, it would definitely match. I
expect we'd have several designers as clients.
2012-03-21 13:49:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> for me it would match perfectly
2012-03-21 13:49:17+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: cool, thanks!
2012-03-21 13:49:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: good to hear!
2012-03-21 13:49:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> specially if I know that you guys are
going after someone inside my budget to work with a project I have
2012-03-21 13:49:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm planning to use it for sure
2012-03-21 13:50:19+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and for my friends that have design
agencies I'm sure it will work well too
2012-03-21 13:50:27+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: and yep, even if they haven't
been doing it for a while, I'd love to talk anyway, any experience/insight is
good to take (and they may have contacts on their own)
2012-03-21 13:50:40+0000 <arbrandes> The only issue I see is that designers are
(in my experience) usually on a very tight budget. It would be (possibly)
difficult to match good coders.
2012-03-21 13:50:49+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap
2012-03-21 13:50:50+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: that was going to be my
next question - what are the typical budgets, in price/day?
2012-03-21 13:51:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> there's no such thing as price/day
with design projects
2012-03-21 13:51:10+0000 <antoviaque> yup, could be tricky
2012-03-21 13:51:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its a price per project
2012-03-21 13:51:22+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and its normally html pages
2012-03-21 13:51:53+0000 <arbrandes> Which is why maybe our ideal customer is a
design agency, not a designer
2012-03-21 13:52:12+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hmmm
2012-03-21 13:52:14+0000 * arbrandes thinking if he knows any agencies
2012-03-21 13:52:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I know some
2012-03-21 13:52:28+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: thay won't have
coders/freelancers in their book already? they are often looking?
2012-03-21 13:52:41+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, the turnover in agencies is
tremendous, from what I hear
2012-03-21 13:52:48+0000 <arbrandes> they always need new heads to burn out, lol
2012-03-21 13:52:51+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: anyone I could talk to?
(or yourself?)
2012-03-21 13:52:54+0000 <tartarugafeliz> the ones I know are aways looking and
always getting disappointed
2012-03-21 13:53:12+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha - something else important then -
do they make good clients?
2012-03-21 13:53:17+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yup, good point
2012-03-21 13:53:33+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, design agencies are the PITA
masters!
2012-03-21 13:53:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> seriously
2012-03-21 13:53:38+0000 <arbrandes> they're usually *terrible* clients - but
they have the money to pay.
2012-03-21 13:53:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> exactly
2012-03-21 13:53:44+0000 <antoviaque> I see
2012-03-21 13:53:50+0000 <tartarugafeliz> they change their minds the whole time
2012-03-21 13:53:58+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its really messy to manage
2012-03-21 13:54:02+0000 <antoviaque> but do they pay to change their mind?
2012-03-21 13:54:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> not always
2012-03-21 13:54:23+0000 <arbrandes> BUT... this doesn't mean we can't use
them. Maybe by being the man-in-the-middle we can iron out most of the
problems.
2012-03-21 13:54:34+0000 <arbrandes> (or at least some of them)
2012-03-21 13:54:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> at least the ones in Brazil han?
2012-03-21 13:54:47+0000 <antoviaque> the ones who do pay for this could
probably be managed - the ones who don't we probably don't want to recommend
them to coders :p
2012-03-21 13:54:48+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I don't know about the rest of the
world
2012-03-21 13:54:52+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, yup, maybe this is a
problem with the ones over here, heheheh
2012-03-21 13:54:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hehehehe
2012-03-21 13:55:14+0000 <antoviaque> that matches what I've heard of those
guys here too :p
2012-03-21 13:55:34+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what do you need to ask antoviaque?
2012-03-21 13:56:06+0000 <arbrandes> Another potential customer is big
consulting companies and/or softwarehouses
2012-03-21 13:56:13+0000 <antoviaque> Basically, I want to find out if they
have needs with freelancers that aren't currently well answered
2012-03-21 13:56:28+0000 <arbrandes> Accenture / IBM - type companies always
need short-term work for their own clients
2012-03-21 13:56:42+0000 <antoviaque> So to find out, I would want to ask how
they work currently, if they are happy with it, etc.
2012-03-21 13:56:57+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: true
2012-03-21 13:57:05+0000 <antoviaque> any contacts in one of those companies?
2012-03-21 13:57:11+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: do you know if Accenture type
externalize work ? They don't provide work in house only ?
2012-03-21 13:57:34+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, good question, I might know a
couple of people that work / have worked there.
2012-03-21 13:57:41+0000 <arbrandes> (there and at IBM)
2012-03-21 13:57:50+0000 <arbrandes> I'm going to have to check
2012-03-21 13:58:28+0000 <arbrandes> btw, before I forget:
2012-03-21 13:58:29+0000 <arbrandes> eve: done Finished #86 (css/js versioning)
and fixed #873 (python deprecation warning), tested blockers but couldn't
reproduce them. Also sent pull request (just now) for an update to the HT
about page.
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Good job!
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <arbrandes> eve: next 2.9? HT?
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Quite a plan.
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <arbrandes> eve: blocked by nothing.
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Glad to hear that
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> My notes of arbrandes's report:
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes worked on:
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> * Finished #86 (css/js versioning) and
fixed #873 (python deprecation warning), tested blockers but couldn't reproduce
them. Also sent pull request (just now) for an update to the HT about page
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes will be working on next:
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> * 2.9? HT
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> - What's blocking arbrandes:
2012-03-21 13:58:30+0000 <eve> * nothing
2012-03-21 13:58:57+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: for reproducing the bugs, even
on test.cs.org?
2012-03-21 13:59:26+0000 <antoviaque> and thanks for the pull request, I'll try
to have a look & push it to HT.com today
2012-03-21 13:59:31+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, precisely - I tried there,
couldn't see them happening. Which is why I still think we're facing a cache
problem.
2012-03-21 13:59:42+0000 <antoviaque> uhuh, interesting
2012-03-21 13:59:50+0000 <antoviaque> I cleared it though
2012-03-21 13:59:53+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, regarding the pull request,
feel free to change anything you feel like improving, of course.
2012-03-21 13:59:54+0000 <antoviaque> I'll try again : )
2012-03-21 14:00:20+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, sometimes with Chrome I have
to CTRL-SHIFT-DEL and clear *everything* (maybe except cookies) to get it to
refresh.
2012-03-21 14:00:23+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ok! I have made notes of
changes I wanted to do too, so I'll do a pass yep
2012-03-21 14:00:48+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: was with firefox, but I'll try
yep
2012-03-21 14:00:57+0000 <antoviaque> btw just to finish about contacts
2012-03-21 14:01:44+0000 <antoviaque> I'm going to create emails just for HT
(to allow to filter the mails easily - otherwise I'm sure to miss some)
2012-03-21 14:02:25+0000 <antoviaque> Once I did that, if you could introduce
me with people that would be interesting to discuss the client aspect with,
would be perfect
2012-03-21 14:02:54+0000 <antoviaque> I'll also have a look at my own contacts,
I know a few that could have good feedback I think
2012-03-21 14:03:09+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I'll fire off some emails here
to sound people out and try to get better contacts, once I have something juicy
I'll introduce you
2012-03-21 14:03:20+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: perfect, thanks : )
2012-03-21 14:03:26+0000 <tartarugafeliz> me too
2012-03-21 14:03:27+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :)
2012-03-21 14:03:40+0000 <antoviaque> that helps a lot to do that yourself :)
2012-03-21 14:03:46+0000 <antoviaque> thanks!!
2012-03-21 14:04:00+0000 <blanchard1> ok antoviaque. Short term, could only be
Jonathan, the guy i'm talking to today, and maybe a new idea today. If i had
more time there are the consulting contacts from my previous life but for this
i would need to be a bit more available...
2012-03-21 14:04:03+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz regarding FS
expenses : would the option to send bills to Flouzo still ok ?
2012-03-21 14:04:22+0000 <antoviaque> yup
2012-03-21 14:04:24+0000 <blanchard1> and arbrandes: would you be ok to bill
Flouzo another company rather than FS ?
2012-03-21 14:04:53+0000 <blanchard1> for you it should be transparent, only
the name of the client would change i guess
2012-03-21 14:05:09+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: if you can just arrange
things with magalie to be sure there is no headache on flouzo's side later on,
would be perfect : )
2012-03-21 14:05:22+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: it's because with FS, I need
to go through a french company for expenses
2012-03-21 14:05:35+0000 * antoviaque thinks it's good to share accountant :p
2012-03-21 14:05:36+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, what's Flouzo? You mean
sending in invoice to them as opposed to FS? For me it's perfectly ok.
2012-03-21 14:05:46+0000 <arbrandes> *an invoice
2012-03-21 14:05:50+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: of course. Magalie is the
next i discuss with once i've got a go from you :)
2012-03-21 14:05:58+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: flouzo is tartarugafeliz & my
company, used to bill freelancers
2012-03-21 14:06:10+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: perfect, thanks :p
2012-03-21 14:06:15+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: cool
2012-03-21 14:06:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> antoviaque: its not your company
anymore my friend. Its mine :D rararararara!!!
2012-03-21 14:06:39+0000 <blanchard1> hahahaha
2012-03-21 14:06:41+0000 <arbrandes> lol
2012-03-21 14:06:53+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: nice try :)
2012-03-21 14:07:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ah here comes retaliation, I'm sure
about it
2012-03-21 14:07:02+0000 <antoviaque> tsssk tsssk - all your base are belong to
us
2012-03-21 14:07:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what?
2012-03-21 14:07:17+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha
2012-03-21 14:07:21+0000 <arbrandes> hehehehe, aybabtu
2012-03-21 14:07:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahah
2012-03-21 14:07:28+0000 <antoviaque> search on google, you'll see :p
2012-03-21 14:07:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> aww cmon seriously?
2012-03-21 14:08:00+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: shall we tackle the budget ?
2012-03-21 14:08:08+0000 <antoviaque> eve: topics?
2012-03-21 14:08:08+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Here is the current agenda:
2012-03-21 14:08:08+0000 <eve> antoviaque: 1. Need to discuss with clients
that use online freelancing for the YC application (current)
2012-03-21 14:08:13+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yes, tackle the budget, its better
2012-03-21 14:08:13+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, let's
2012-03-21 14:08:17+0000 <antoviaque> eve: close 1
2012-03-21 14:08:17+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Sorry...
2012-03-21 14:08:20+0000 <antoviaque> eve: close topic 1
2012-03-21 14:08:21+0000 <eve> antoviaque: We don't need to talk about need to
discuss with clients that use online freelancing for the yc application anymore
2012-03-21 14:08:34+0000 <blanchard1> sorry...
2012-03-21 14:08:47+0000 <blanchard1> ok I'm going to upload a forecast after
the meeting
2012-03-21 14:09:00+0000 <blanchard1> In a nutshell we currently have 19kâ¬
2012-03-21 14:09:17+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: more or less how much time
will you charge for march ?
2012-03-21 14:09:56+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: did we get anything from the
cnc yet?
2012-03-21 14:10:03+0000 arbrandes_ (arbrandes_) is now online
2012-03-21 14:10:10+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: 19k is after receiving CNC !!!
2012-03-21 14:10:20+0000 <antoviaque> ok, I thought so : )
2012-03-21 14:10:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> everything or just half of it?
2012-03-21 14:10:35+0000 <antoviaque> tartarugafeliz: ahahahah
2012-03-21 14:10:37+0000 <blanchard1> we were almost broke 2 weeks ago :),
that's why i was getting nervous
2012-03-21 14:10:43+0000 <tartarugafeliz> haahahahahah
2012-03-21 14:11:05+0000 <antoviaque> we always get broke, and then we're ok :p
2012-03-21 14:11:05+0000 <blanchard1> tartarugafeliz: 3/4 of it. But many
hurdles before having a chance to have the last quarter.
2012-03-21 14:11:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I see...
2012-03-21 14:11:31+0000 <arbrandes> (sorry network hiccup) blanchard1, it
seems I have something like a month's pay in the backlog (if everything is
approved and merged, of course). So it would be something real close to what I
used to charge for a month last year.
2012-03-21 14:11:43+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: ok
2012-03-21 14:12:43+0000 <blanchard1> so then, i think we can do the equivalent
of full time in april, and half time in may, on top of the full time for march.
2012-03-21 14:13:00+0000 <arbrandes> The difference being that I wouldn't do
the crazy tax reversal thing, but absorb it myself via the little hourly raise
we discussed last time (will have to look in the log to check).
2012-03-21 14:13:02+0000 <blanchard1> With the 4k⬠marketing investment
sometime in the future
2012-03-21 14:13:32+0000 <blanchard1> arbrandes: but it will remain around
3600⬠full time correct ?
2012-03-21 14:13:36+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, precisely
2012-03-21 14:13:42+0000 <blanchard1> yep
2012-03-21 14:14:06+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, awesome for april
2012-03-21 14:14:12+0000 <arbrandes> (and may)
2012-03-21 14:14:47+0000 <blanchard1> so my suggestion is to forecast the
equivalent of 1.5 month for you and matjaz from now, to be used accordingly to
the needs.
2012-03-21 14:15:19+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: tartarugafeliz arbrandes I'll
post the forecast so if you can have a look and confirm you're ok with me it'd
be cool
2012-03-21 14:15:38+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard1, cool, will do
2012-03-21 14:15:45+0000 <blanchard1> :)
2012-03-21 14:15:58+0000 <blanchard1> actually i've pushed it
2012-03-21 14:16:13+0000 <blanchard1> so it's on the share folder now, with
today's date
2012-03-21 14:16:18+0000 <arbrandes> ok, pulling
2012-03-21 14:16:18+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: ^
2012-03-21 14:16:57+0000 <blanchard1> guys i need to run for a meeting, are we
good ?
2012-03-21 14:17:23+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: thanks! will have a look : )
2012-03-21 14:17:27+0000 <antoviaque> yup, all good!
2012-03-21 14:17:28+0000 <arbrandes> as far as I'm concerned, we're good
2012-03-21 14:17:33+0000 <antoviaque> eve: end meeting
2012-03-21 14:17:34+0000 <eve> Meeting Ended
2012-03-21 14:17:34+0000 <eve> Minutes available at
http://paste.pocoo.org/show/569037
2012-03-21 14:17:37+0000 <blanchard1> ok see you later :)
2012-03-21 15:29:33+0000 <blanchard1> antoviaque: i'll put you in contact with
the guy i mentioned earlier. I talked to him, he's ok to discuss and I think he
could have insights.
2012-03-21 15:29:48+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: cool! who is he?
2012-03-21 15:30:03+0000 * antoviaque currently spamming his linkedin contacts
:p
2012-03-21 15:31:18+0000 <blanchard1> I met him at the school, his name is
Jérome, he's nice and has good solid point of view on things. He used to
outsource some parts of his games
2012-03-21 15:31:36+0000 <blanchard1> to other french studios i think, so it
might not be freelance exp we're looking for though. Not sure, worth asking
anyway
2012-03-21 15:35:51+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online
2012-03-21 15:49:36+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: sound perfect : )
2012-03-21 15:50:25+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard1: I'm going to create an email
for those things - just give me 30 minutes before sending the intro email : )
2012-03-21 15:50:46+0000 <blanchard1> no worry i'm in meetings i'll do it
tonight or tomorrow morning
2012-03-21 15:50:52+0000 <antoviaque> ok, thx!
2012-03-21 16:21:21+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online
2012-03-21 16:52:04+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online
2012-03-21 17:35:47+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online
2012-03-21 17:47:59+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online
2012-03-21 18:01:31+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: your account name on YC is
arbrandes right? : )
2012-03-21 18:28:09+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque: yup, arbrandes on YC (I think
- is it the same as HN?)
2012-03-21 18:28:18+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yup : )
2012-03-21 18:28:36+0000 <antoviaque> I'm sending you an email with the list of
questions for the YC application that you need to answer too
2012-03-21 18:28:43+0000 <arbrandes> ok, cool
2012-03-21 18:28:51+0000 <antoviaque> along with links to read more about the
YC application process : )
2012-03-21 18:29:12+0000 <arbrandes> I'm guessing these links will be
invaluable ;)
2012-03-21 18:29:37+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, yep, there is a lot of background
behind the questions they ask
2012-03-21 18:36:10+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now offline
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2012-03-21 19:16:42+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online
2012-03-21 19:21:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> arbrandes: are you busy? can I ask
you one question? :)
2012-03-21 19:22:14+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz: go ahead! :)
2012-03-21 19:22:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I'm doing the animation and its full
of little details. and there's this part I would like to know if its possible
to do before animating :)
2012-03-21 19:23:06+0000 <tartarugafeliz> when you level up, the star leaves
the orange bar and go dance on the other side of the blue box, let me find a
picture to show you
2012-03-21 19:23:55+0000 <arbrandes> ok
2012-03-21 19:24:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> here
http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=c1eec07993353e59460f3f6fdab5719e25f876bf&n=levelup2.png
2012-03-21 19:25:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> do you see my idea here? I'm thinking
about animating all the content of the blue box to the left leaving only the
star that will be dancing
2012-03-21 19:25:16+0000 <tartarugafeliz> my question is: is it possible to do
that at all? hahahah
2012-03-21 19:25:51+0000 * arbrandes looking
2012-03-21 19:25:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because it will be the score that the
player will have + the info about the level and the points and everything. this
would have to be done by you⦠would it be easier if I just fade out
everything? :)
2012-03-21 19:28:26+0000 * arbrandes thinking
2012-03-21 19:28:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahaha
2012-03-21 19:29:06+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz: certainly the fade out
would be easier, but it would be perfectly possible to animate the scores and
stuff to the left... or would it?
2012-03-21 19:29:11+0000 * arbrandes thinking some more
2012-03-21 19:29:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha ok
2012-03-21 19:29:27+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, the blue box would be like a movie
screen, right?
2012-03-21 19:29:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap
2012-03-21 19:29:38+0000 <tartarugafeliz> what about the size for this?
2012-03-21 19:29:44+0000 <tartarugafeliz> would it be too heavy?
2012-03-21 19:31:17+0000 <arbrandes> I just have to do a bit of research on how
to simulate an alpha mask for this - it might be possible with the "overflow:
hidden" css. If it works, it'll actually be sort of easy (or no harder than
just animating stuff to the left)
2012-03-21 19:31:42+0000 <arbrandes> The harder part will be morphing the star
into "dancing mode", and that problem we'll have anyway... :)
2012-03-21 19:31:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahhh reaallly??
2012-03-21 19:31:56+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahaah see?
2012-03-21 19:32:00+0000 <tartarugafeliz> for me this part was easy
2012-03-21 19:32:17+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because the thing is, when you level
up everything changes
2012-03-21 19:32:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> there are applauses, and stars and
fireworks
2012-03-21 19:32:34+0000 <arbrandes> As long as there's nothing fancier going
on, it shouldn't be hard: *IF* the overflow trick works ;)
2012-03-21 19:32:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> all at the same time, like a huge
party
2012-03-21 19:32:52+0000 <arbrandes> ah, ok, I wasn't thinking about the rest
2012-03-21 19:33:03+0000 <arbrandes> We'd have to do this stuff one step at a
time
2012-03-21 19:33:11+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok
2012-03-21 19:33:27+0000 <arbrandes> I mean, in the end it should match your
imagination, but I'm referring to implementation :)
2012-03-21 19:33:29+0000 <tartarugafeliz> are you working on the animation
already? :)
2012-03-21 19:33:42+0000 <tartarugafeliz> of course! : that's why I came to
talk to you first
2012-03-21 19:33:57+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz: I started on the regular
score animation, and it's not done yet - we got caught up in all the bugs
2012-03-21 19:34:02+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because these animations also gives
me a looot of work⦠and if its not possible to you, its not good...
2012-03-21 19:34:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its ok, I just wanted to know if I'm
blocking : )
2012-03-21 19:34:48+0000 <arbrandes> Nope, not blocking at all, although it'll
be nice to have your pngs/videos ready for when I get there :)
2012-03-21 19:35:31+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so I guess I'll wait a little then, I
already did the transition of the win to next level sign and also did the stars
behind⦠so you implement this and I move on, is that good for you? :)
2012-03-21 19:35:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> *when you implement this I move on
2012-03-21 19:35:54+0000 <arbrandes> But ok, to answer your question: yes, I
think it'll be possible to animate everything to the left, simulating a movie
screen. We'll have to see how to best implement the dancing star, though -
it'll probably have to be an animated sprite (one of those png sequences you
did before)
2012-03-21 19:36:06+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz: yup, that's good for me
2012-03-21 19:36:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> kewl!! :D
2012-03-21 19:36:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> for the dancing star, I'll give you a
png sequence, yes!
2012-03-21 19:36:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> it will be cuute!
2012-03-21 19:37:04+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok then. valeu!
2012-03-21 19:37:14+0000 <arbrandes> roger, roger, beleza! :)
2012-03-21 19:37:19+0000 <arbrandes> Ah, just one more thing
2012-03-21 19:37:28+0000 <tartarugafeliz> o que
2012-03-21 19:37:58+0000 <arbrandes> I think that it'll be easier, if possible,
for the sprite animations to not involve any x/y movement - let me make that
clearer
2012-03-21 19:38:09+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hmmm
2012-03-21 19:38:34+0000 <arbrandes> It doesn't mean the objects won't move -
it means that if possible, it will be best for me to handle that programatically
2012-03-21 19:38:47+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ahh that's very cool
2012-03-21 19:38:48+0000 <arbrandes> And let the morphing be done in the
sequence.
2012-03-21 19:39:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> so you mean the star for instance,
she would just jump and dance on the same place
2012-03-21 19:39:16+0000 <arbrandes> There are some limitations, though: I can
only do so much in terms of smoothness of movement, with our current animation
plugins.
2012-03-21 19:39:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> and you'll put her to the side?
2012-03-21 19:39:37+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz: I think so, yes
2012-03-21 19:39:58+0000 <arbrandes> The purpose of this is to make it easier
to position the elements on the page
2012-03-21 19:40:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that'll be sooo weird for me to
animate haahah but I'll try
2012-03-21 19:40:23+0000 <arbrandes> And we don't have to worry about being
pixel perfect on the png sequence, where starting position is concerned.
2012-03-21 19:40:35+0000 <tartarugafeliz> exactly specially for the star
2012-03-21 19:41:06+0000 <arbrandes> In any case, it's just an idea we can try
out to see if it works.
2012-03-21 19:41:15+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ok then. we keep in touch! :D
2012-03-21 19:41:20+0000 <arbrandes> I don't know if it's easier or harder for
you to do this on your side.
2012-03-21 19:42:26+0000 <arbrandes> okeydoke, thanks!
2012-03-21 19:43:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its just weird, but I can try, its
good to add some challenge too! :)
2012-03-21 19:43:21+0000 <tartarugafeliz> thank you arbrandes! :)
2012-03-21 19:43:51+0000 <arbrandes> np :)
2012-03-21 21:22:09+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online
2012-03-21 21:24:36+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, don't know if you're around or
not busy, but I've been reading up on that link you sent over, and as I dig
deeper and deeper, I get both really scared and really excited. Did you
realize we're getting married (http://www.paulgraham.com/really.html)? How
often do you bathe? rofl
2012-03-21 21:24:50+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahahaha
2012-03-21 21:24:55+0000 <antoviaque> once per year, why?
2012-03-21 21:24:56+0000 <antoviaque> :p
2012-03-21 21:25:11+0000 <arbrandes> lol, this stuff is really cool
2012-03-21 21:25:23+0000 <antoviaque> yes, YC is pretty exciting
2012-03-21 21:25:23+0000 <arbrandes> It's really good to be reading it before
the application
2012-03-21 21:25:42+0000 <antoviaque> this is why I persist so much on them,
despite the rejections ;p
2012-03-21 21:25:45+0000 <arbrandes> And regardless of YC, it's very
enlightening on the whole subject of starting a startup
2012-03-21 21:26:15+0000 <antoviaque> yup, reading up HN & PG considerably
helped me to reshape my perception of building a startup : )
2012-03-21 21:26:18+0000 <arbrandes> And yes, apparently persistence is the #1
trait of successful entrepreneurs :)
2012-03-21 21:26:27+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha
2012-03-21 21:26:45+0000 <antoviaque> only success differentiate the crazy from
the genius, right?
2012-03-21 21:27:37+0000 <arbrandes> Lol, precisely! And as far as our
marriage goes, I take it as a very good sign that both of us have big bundles
of cables hidden in a closet. Things should work out. :P
2012-03-21 21:27:45+0000 <arbrandes> Anyway, back to reading...
2012-03-21 21:27:49+0000 <antoviaque> ahahaha, agreed : )
2012-03-21 21:31:00+0000 <arbrandes> Also, ramen profitable is now my favorite
business phrase
2012-03-21 21:31:16+0000 <arbrandes> (and life objective, too, lol)
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