Hi, Here is the log of the chatroom at http://farsides.com/chat/ (or irc://irc.freenode.net/#farsides) for the 2012-03-22.
2012-03-22 09:42:52+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now online 2012-03-22 10:22:49+0000 blanchard1 (blanchard1) is now online 2012-03-22 13:22:51+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-22 13:24:02+0000 <antoviaque> hello! 2012-03-22 13:24:49+0000 <antoviaque> before we start the meeting, I'd like to post HT.com on Hacker News - if you can proof-read/test hackertrade.com one last time before I post it there, would be perfect : ) 2012-03-22 13:25:14+0000 <antoviaque> (timing is important when posting on HN - we're getting close to the best moment of the day) 2012-03-22 13:26:12+0000 * blanchard looking 2012-03-22 13:28:16+0000 <antoviaque> thx! 2012-03-22 13:29:08+0000 * arbrandes looking 2012-03-22 13:29:25+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2012-03-22 13:29:47+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: haha, nice rewriting of my profile thx ;) 2012-03-22 13:29:55+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: :p 2012-03-22 13:30:00+0000 <antoviaque> it was too long 2012-03-22 13:30:11+0000 <blanchard> it's better 2012-03-22 13:30:18+0000 <antoviaque> and I liked the tone of arbrandes' description, so I tried to match it on the others 2012-03-22 13:30:27+0000 <antoviaque> :) 2012-03-22 13:30:32+0000 <blanchard> yep! 2012-03-22 13:30:45+0000 <blanchard> arbrandes: master dude ! 2012-03-22 13:31:12+0000 <blanchard> very nice writing indeed 2012-03-22 13:31:21+0000 <arbrandes> looks good to me 2012-03-22 13:31:23+0000 <arbrandes> blanchard, lol 2012-03-22 13:31:48+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ok with the rewritting I did on some of the parts you had edited? 2012-03-22 13:31:53+0000 <mtyaka> hi everyone! 2012-03-22 13:32:00+0000 <blanchard> hey mtyaka ! 2012-03-22 13:32:01+0000 <antoviaque> hey mtyaka ! 2012-03-22 13:32:11+0000 <antoviaque> congratulations again!! :D 2012-03-22 13:32:20+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, it's great! I agree it's better to be more flexible at the start - plus, we don't really have a contract yet, hehehhe 2012-03-22 13:32:20+0000 <mtyaka> thanks :) 2012-03-22 13:32:23+0000 <blanchard> how's Lina ? 2012-03-22 13:32:31+0000 <antoviaque> ;p 2012-03-22 13:32:36+0000 <arbrandes> hey mtyaka, congrats! :) 2012-03-22 13:32:46+0000 <mtyaka> and thanks for the kind emails everyone! 2012-03-22 13:32:52+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: the about page is good imho ! 2012-03-22 13:32:55+0000 <mtyaka> Lina is fine, currently sleeping :) 2012-03-22 13:32:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> I love your description on the HT website arbrandes!! :D 2012-03-22 13:32:58+0000 <antoviaque> how are you? not too tired? 2012-03-22 13:33:00+0000 * blanchard moving to the other pages 2012-03-22 13:33:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> awww we want a picture mtyaka!! :D 2012-03-22 13:33:12+0000 <blanchard> mtyaka: :) 2012-03-22 13:33:15+0000 <mtyaka> hehe 2012-03-22 13:33:17+0000 <antoviaque> (btw please do test the form, too!) 2012-03-22 13:33:25+0000 <tartarugafeliz> blanchard: can you send another picture now? :D 2012-03-22 13:33:32+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that picture is not good!!! 2012-03-22 13:33:33+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, thanks dudette! :) 2012-03-22 13:33:37+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2012-03-22 13:33:38+0000 <mtyaka> I'm not too tired, but it's hard to focus with so much going on :) 2012-03-22 13:33:40+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: i sent this mrning yu did not receive ? 2012-03-22 13:33:46+0000 <tartarugafeliz> ohh let me see sorry 2012-03-22 13:33:53+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: I can imagine! Hope you can still enjoy it :) 2012-03-22 13:34:26+0000 <mtyaka> yeah, it's not bad :) 2012-03-22 13:34:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> that's the only one you have blanchard? :P 2012-03-22 13:34:48+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: for now yep :) 2012-03-22 13:34:49+0000 <mtyaka> I see you made very nice progress with hackertrade.com, it's all styled up and everything 2012-03-22 13:34:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> because it looks like you partied for 6 or 7 hours on this picture :D 2012-03-22 13:34:59+0000 <blanchard> arf 2012-03-22 13:35:02+0000 <arbrandes> hehehheheh 2012-03-22 13:35:06+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: :D 2012-03-22 13:35:14+0000 <antoviaque> the meeting will be a bit late today because of that, need to get HT.com posted there first 2012-03-22 13:35:14+0000 <blanchard> that's my normal face. I naturally look tired :p 2012-03-22 13:35:38+0000 <blanchard> tartarugafeliz: i'll shoot others but for now we have to do with this one i'm afraid 2012-03-22 13:35:51+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: come on, you can do better than that - have one with a tie to match your description? :p 2012-03-22 13:36:05+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2012-03-22 13:36:14+0000 * blanchard testing client form 2012-03-22 13:36:33+0000 <mtyaka> hehehe, awesome picture, blanchard! 2012-03-22 13:36:52+0000 <blanchard> mtyaka: i think so too but no one else likes it ;) 2012-03-22 13:37:41+0000 <antoviaque> so, aside from blanchard's picture, all good to post it on HN? :p 2012-03-22 13:37:49+0000 <blanchard> grrr antoviaque 2012-03-22 13:38:04+0000 <arbrandes> I like it, lol 2012-03-22 13:38:18+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: wait a sec, form testing, thx 2012-03-22 13:38:20+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: ahahah - don't worry, we can take care of this after posting it there 2012-03-22 13:38:31+0000 <antoviaque> ah oki, thx! 2012-03-22 13:39:50+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: i've got the confirmation screen, looks good 2012-03-22 13:40:14+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: mtyaka: blanchard: even with the clients perception in mind? 2012-03-22 13:40:19+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: cool! 2012-03-22 13:40:33+0000 <antoviaque> Just looked at the DB - you hadn't entered anything in the fields, right? 2012-03-22 13:40:43+0000 <antoviaque> Just to check if it's normal that they are empty in the db ;p 2012-03-22 13:40:53+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: yep, i think it's a good start 2012-03-22 13:40:58+0000 <antoviaque> ok :D 2012-03-22 13:41:04+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: I had written text in the fields :/ 2012-03-22 13:41:08+0000 <antoviaque> ohhh 2012-03-22 13:41:15+0000 <mtyaka> That was me posting an empty form :) 2012-03-22 13:41:25+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2012-03-22 13:41:27+0000 <antoviaque> ahhh, ok! 2012-03-22 13:41:41+0000 <antoviaque> hmm, which form did you fill david? hacker or client? 2012-03-22 13:41:42+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yeah, that gives a bit of pause... but anyway, I guess we can always change the picture later. :) 2012-03-22 13:41:45+0000 <mtyaka> and I posted one with just email set to 'bfasdfw' or something similar 2012-03-22 13:41:50+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: client 2012-03-22 13:42:06+0000 <antoviaque> ok, got it! 2012-03-22 13:42:10+0000 <antoviaque> seem to work fine : ) 2012-03-22 13:42:17+0000 <antoviaque> ok, so go go go? 2012-03-22 13:42:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeeeees 2012-03-22 13:42:31+0000 <blanchard> /o\ 2012-03-22 13:42:39+0000 <tartarugafeliz> \o/ 2012-03-22 13:42:40+0000 <arbrandes> woohooo! 2012-03-22 13:43:07+0000 <antoviaque> done! 2012-03-22 13:43:27+0000 <antoviaque> http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=3739622 - if you can upvote :D 2012-03-22 13:43:58+0000 <antoviaque> let's see if we can manage to get it on the home page - it can be pretty tricky from experience, even with good articles/links 2012-03-22 13:45:22+0000 <arbrandes> upvoted 2012-03-22 13:45:54+0000 <blanchard> too 2012-03-22 13:46:14+0000 <antoviaque> home page :p http://news.ycombinator.org/news 2012-03-22 13:46:20+0000 <antoviaque> let's see if it sticks ;p 2012-03-22 13:46:27+0000 <mtyaka> I forgot my password ... :-| 2012-03-22 13:46:47+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: :p 2012-03-22 13:47:24+0000 <antoviaque> you saw you can get a new one? 2012-03-22 13:48:53+0000 <mtyaka> ok, restored and upvoted! 2012-03-22 13:49:12+0000 <antoviaque> kewl, thanks! :D 2012-03-22 13:49:17+0000 <antoviaque> ok, meeting time then :D 2012-03-22 13:49:23+0000 <antoviaque> eve: start meeting 2012-03-22 13:49:23+0000 * eve antoviaque arbrandes blanchard blanchard1 dachary mtyaka tartarugafeliz and al: daily meeting starts! Please say "eve: (done|next|blocked by) <first thing>, <second thing>, ..." 2012-03-22 13:49:23+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we're 9 already!!! :D 2012-03-22 13:49:49+0000 <blanchard> eve: done pushed the forecast and discussed budget w/ Adolfo; put Jerôme (friend of mine) in contact w/ Xav (for client side exp for HT) 2012-03-22 13:49:49+0000 <eve> blanchard: Good job! 2012-03-22 13:49:56+0000 <blanchard> eve: next school 2012-03-22 13:49:56+0000 <eve> blanchard: Quite a plan. 2012-03-22 13:50:02+0000 <blanchard> eve: blocked by I'll have to skip at least tomorrow's meeting (skiing :D), and monday I'm at Valenciennes so because of connectivity at school over there, I'll try but not sure i can attend the meeting. 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> blanchard: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> My notes of blanchard's report: 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> - What blanchard worked on: 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> * pushed the forecast and discussed budget w/ Adolfo 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> * put Jerôme (friend of mine) in contact w/ Xav (for client side exp for HT) 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> - What blanchard will be working on next: 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> * school 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> - What's blocking blanchard: 2012-03-22 13:50:03+0000 <eve> * I'll have to skip at least tomorrow's meeting (skiing :D), and monday I'm at Valenciennes so because of connectivity at school over there, I'll try but not sure i can attend the meeting 2012-03-22 13:50:21+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next topic 2012-03-22 13:50:21+0000 <eve> antoviaque: The current topic is now "I'll have to skip at least tomorrow's meeting (skiing :D), and monday I'm at Valenciennes so because of connectivity at school over there, I'll try but not sure i can attend the meeting" (from blanchard) 2012-03-22 13:50:30+0000 <antoviaque> okay! thanks for the advance warning :D 2012-03-22 13:50:36+0000 <blanchard> hehe 2012-03-22 13:50:43+0000 <antoviaque> (and thanks for the email to Jerome too!) 2012-03-22 13:50:46+0000 <antoviaque> eve: done Started writing YC's application for HT (half-way through) ; Integrated feedback, team section & polished HT.com 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Good job! 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <antoviaque> eve: next Post HT.com on HN ; Keep working on the YC application for HT ; Read & comment on mathibus docs & test again CS 2.8 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> antoviaque: Quite a plan. 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <antoviaque> eve: blocked by David!! Need a good picture for you for HT, it's impossible to take you seriously with the current one :) 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> antoviaque: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> My notes of antoviaque's report: 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque worked on: 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> * Started writing YC's application for HT (half-way through) 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> * Integrated feedback, team section & polished HT.com 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> - What antoviaque will be working on next: 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> * Post HT.com on HN 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> * Keep working on the YC application for HT 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> * Read & comment on mathibus docs & test again CS 2.8 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> - What's blocking antoviaque: 2012-03-22 13:50:47+0000 <eve> * David!! Need a good picture for you for HT, it's impossible to take you seriously with the current one :) 2012-03-22 13:51:15+0000 <antoviaque> :p 2012-03-22 13:51:17+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: grrrr once again :) 2012-03-22 13:51:19+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2012-03-22 13:51:23+0000 <antoviaque> sorry that one I wrote before :D 2012-03-22 13:51:31+0000 <blanchard> i know :p 2012-03-22 13:51:31+0000 <antoviaque> eve: close topic 2 2012-03-22 13:51:31+0000 <eve> antoviaque: We don't need to talk about david!! need a good picture for you for ht, it's impossible to take you seriously with the current one :) anymore 2012-03-22 13:51:38+0000 <mtyaka> haha 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <arbrandes> eve: done Discussed IBM with a friend (for HT), read a lot on YC and startup culture, discussed animation with tartarugafeliz. 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Good job! 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <arbrandes> eve: next YC application, set up 2.9 and start 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Quite a plan. 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <arbrandes> eve: blocked by nothing. 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> arbrandes: Glad to hear that 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> My notes of arbrandes's report: 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes worked on: 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> * Discussed IBM with a friend (for HT), read a lot on YC and startup culture, discussed animation with tartarugafeliz 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> - What arbrandes will be working on next: 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> * YC application, set up 2.9 and start 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> - What's blocking arbrandes: 2012-03-22 13:51:41+0000 <eve> * nothing 2012-03-22 13:52:08+0000 <mtyaka> eve: done Not much. 2012-03-22 13:52:08+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Good job! 2012-03-22 13:52:09+0000 <mtyaka> eve: next I'm not sure, would love some suggestions. 2012-03-22 13:52:10+0000 <eve> mtyaka: Quite a plan. 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <mtyaka> eve: blocked by Need to discuss what to work on next. 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> mtyaka: We'll need to solve that later, I'm adding it to the agenda 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> My notes of mtyaka's report: 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> - What mtyaka worked on: 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> * Not much 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> - What mtyaka will be working on next: 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> * I'm not sure, would love some suggestions 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> - What's blocking mtyaka: 2012-03-22 13:52:11+0000 <eve> * Need to discuss what to work on next 2012-03-22 13:53:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: done I started working on #792 {Animation to show how players level up} 2012-03-22 13:53:05+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Good job! 2012-03-22 13:53:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: next today I'll do a printmaking course, so I'll spend the day organizing my drawings for it. Yesterday I spoke with arbrandes and we decided to do the animations step by step, testing with programming along the way, because there is just too many animations and details, right arbrandes? :D 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Quite a plan. 2012-03-22 13:53:05+0000 <tartarugafeliz> eve: blocked by nothing. 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> tartarugafeliz: Glad to hear that 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> My notes of tartarugafeliz's report: 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz worked on: 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> * I started working on #792 {Animation to show how players level up} 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> - What tartarugafeliz will be working on next: 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> * today I'll do a printmaking course, so I'll spend the day organizing my drawings for it. Yesterday I spoke with arbrandes and we decided to do the animations step by step, testing with programming along the way, because there is just too many animations and details, right arbrandes? :D 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> - What's blocking tartarugafeliz: 2012-03-22 13:53:06+0000 <eve> * nothing 2012-03-22 13:53:25+0000 <arbrandes> tartarugafeliz, right! :) 2012-03-22 13:53:30+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :D 2012-03-22 13:54:24+0000 <blanchard> HT is up to rank 7 on HN 2012-03-22 13:54:47+0000 <antoviaque> yep, I'm keeping an eye on it at the same time, we're getting some upvotes 2012-03-22 13:54:59+0000 <arbrandes> I emailed some friends for upvotes too, heheheh 2012-03-22 13:55:05+0000 <antoviaque> (and visits - 2K hits already) 2012-03-22 13:55:09+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahaha 2012-03-22 13:55:10+0000 <arbrandes> does this count as "naughty", antoviaque? 2012-03-22 13:55:11+0000 <antoviaque> cool! 2012-03-22 13:55:12+0000 <arbrandes> :P 2012-03-22 13:55:20+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeeeeey 2012-03-22 13:55:30+0000 <antoviaque> probably - although I wouldn't put it in the YC application ;p 2012-03-22 13:55:49+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: let me have a look for the CS task : ) 2012-03-22 13:55:51+0000 <arbrandes> hee hee hee 2012-03-22 13:56:51+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: need any help with the levels? looks like the most urgent for now 2012-03-22 13:57:39+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, there's a bunch of animation stuff in the queue 2012-03-22 13:58:05+0000 <arbrandes> also the close button (for the results screen) needs to be implemented 2012-03-22 13:58:29+0000 <arbrandes> The GAME SCORE letters animating from the left... lot's to chose from ;) 2012-03-22 13:58:32+0000 <arbrandes> *lots 2012-03-22 13:58:47+0000 <antoviaque> mtyaka: tempted? : ) 2012-03-22 13:58:52+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha 2012-03-22 13:58:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hurraaaay!!! 2012-03-22 13:58:57+0000 <mtyaka> I am tempted by the close button :) 2012-03-22 13:59:22+0000 <antoviaque> yup, sounds useful :D 2012-03-22 13:59:39+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, http://tickets.farsides.com/issues/849 2012-03-22 14:00:09+0000 <mtyaka> cool, thanks! 2012-03-22 14:00:27+0000 <arbrandes> the actual behavior is illustrated by tartarugafeliz's animations on the share folder 2012-03-22 14:00:28+0000 * arbrandes looking 2012-03-22 14:00:58+0000 <mtyaka> shold it be possible to reopen it after it has been closed? 2012-03-22 14:01:23+0000 <arbrandes> animations/leveling up/movies 2012-03-22 14:01:59+0000 <blanchard> need to run to a meeting guys, bbl 2012-03-22 14:02:09+0000 <arbrandes> mtyaka, maybe if the player becomes the next author in the table, I think I saw this requirement somewhere 2012-03-22 14:02:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> here mtyaka: http://git.farsides.com/?a=blob&p=share&h=59bb1b41a3459e09010c05d782864b3c586554f6&n=win_score_click_close.mp4 2012-03-22 14:02:34+0000 <blanchard> bye everyone, fun meeting with the HN launch ! 2012-03-22 14:02:40+0000 <arbrandes> bye blanchard :) 2012-03-22 14:02:41+0000 <mtyaka> thanks a lot, tartarugafeliz 2012-03-22 14:02:50+0000 <mtyaka> bye blanchard 2012-03-22 14:03:36+0000 <tartarugafeliz> :) 2012-03-22 14:03:41+0000 <tartarugafeliz> tchau david! :D 2012-03-22 14:03:55+0000 <tartarugafeliz> guys we're in 4th on HN! :D 2012-03-22 14:04:00+0000 <mtyaka> woohooo! 2012-03-22 14:04:07+0000 <tartarugafeliz> 2 comments already! 2012-03-22 14:04:56+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, are you going to answer them? 2012-03-22 14:05:19+0000 <mtyaka> antoviaque: are you warpspeed? 2012-03-22 14:05:23+0000 <mtyaka> just kidding :) 2012-03-22 14:05:33+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahah, yes, I'm replying already :p 2012-03-22 14:05:52+0000 <arbrandes> lol 2012-03-22 14:06:01+0000 <tartarugafeliz> hahahahaha 2012-03-22 14:16:35+0000 <antoviaque> oops, forgot to close the meeting 2012-03-22 14:16:39+0000 <antoviaque> all good everyone? 2012-03-22 14:16:58+0000 * antoviaque typing fast to answer on HN 2012-03-22 14:17:14+0000 <antoviaque> Almost 10K hits on HT.com already :D 2012-03-22 14:17:30+0000 <arbrandes> 10k?!?!?!? amazing 2012-03-22 14:17:36+0000 <arbrandes> any forms? 2012-03-22 14:17:57+0000 <arbrandes> all good here 2012-03-22 14:25:39+0000 <antoviaque> let me see 2012-03-22 14:25:44+0000 <antoviaque> 3rd place!! 2012-03-22 14:25:48+0000 <antoviaque> only 2 to go ;p 2012-03-22 14:26:22+0000 <antoviaque> 2 hacker applications already 2012-03-22 14:52:07+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: arbrandes: how do we answer http://news.ycombinator.org/item?id=3739926 ? :D 2012-03-22 15:01:59+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, looking 2012-03-22 15:04:17+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I think he answered it himself, indirectly. We're going to have to look into where it's going to be easiest to receive the cash (a tax haven?), both from our perspective and from the perspective of clients/hackers. I'm guessing that for now this is going to be Europe/France, so we'll have to look into all this stuff before we actually handle the escrow. 2012-03-22 15:04:36+0000 <antoviaque> yep 2012-03-22 15:05:03+0000 <antoviaque> Here is what I wrote so far - I'm trying to postpone answering, but just explaining how it works with vworker: 2012-03-22 15:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> We're still ironing out the details on that one, so take my answer with a grain of salt - it still needs to get confirmed by the accountant & the lawyer. 2012-03-22 15:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> But, basically, it would likely be very similar to what you get on vworker for example - the client transfers the money into escrow, and get an invoice for it. The % cut of the plateform is deducted from the amount put in escrow and transferred to the freelance. The % is taken into account for the quote, so that it's shared between the coder and the client - ie 5% each. 2012-03-22 15:05:31+0000 <antoviaque> And, yes, we're from Europe too, so we're familiar with the tax mess. : ) I don't have all the details on that yet, but I'll post an update when we do. 2012-03-22 15:05:32+0000 <antoviaque> In any case, if you're selected, we'll figure out the specifics of your situation, to help making sure everything is by the book. 2012-03-22 15:06:09+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ^ 2012-03-22 15:06:19+0000 <arbrandes> spell-check: "plateform" :P 2012-03-22 15:06:20+0000 * arbrandes reading 2012-03-22 15:06:25+0000 <antoviaque> thx :p 2012-03-22 15:07:45+0000 <arbrandes> 1) Do we want to disclose we're in Europe? Won't that generate some american xenophobia? Are we worried about this? 2012-03-22 15:08:00+0000 <antoviaque> yes, good point 2012-03-22 15:08:02+0000 <arbrandes> 2) Don't we want to sound a bit more sure of ourselves? Do we care, at this point? 2012-03-22 15:08:23+0000 <antoviaque> well, we aren't - so better say it imho, and show that we care 2012-03-22 15:08:39+0000 <antoviaque> the HN crowd is usually nice with people who start, and appreciate honesty 2012-03-22 15:08:52+0000 * antoviaque removing the reference to being european 2012-03-22 15:09:17+0000 <antoviaque> "And, yes, we've had to deal with European taxes" - good ? 2012-03-22 15:09:22+0000 <arbrandes> Definitely, we aren't - just checking if full disclosure is the way to go. But I trust your opinion on this, you're been longer on HN than me. 2012-03-22 15:09:28+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, good :) 2012-03-22 15:09:43+0000 <antoviaque> okay! posting, let's see how it goes : ) 2012-03-22 15:23:23+0000 <blanchard> antoviaque: got your message, i was in meeting. Tricky question, you answered well i think with the information we got for now. It needs to be answered by a specialist (our accountant, maybe our lawyer). I'm going to the train station now, I'll dig later and keep you posted when we can make an informed answer. 2012-03-22 15:23:59+0000 <antoviaque> blanchard: cool! thanks for the fast reply : ) 2012-03-22 15:24:51+0000 <antoviaque> btw 20 hackers applications already, 28K visits 2012-03-22 15:25:10+0000 <antoviaque> still no client applications though - it confirms that it's going to be the tough part : ) 2012-03-22 15:25:19+0000 * blanchard anxiously waiting for the first client application 2012-03-22 15:25:24+0000 <blanchard> hehe yep :) 2012-03-22 15:26:34+0000 <blanchard> but the response so far is impressive on the dev side imho 2012-03-22 15:27:02+0000 <blanchard> ok, train time 2012-03-22 15:33:36+0000 Carnivore (Carnivore) is now online 2012-03-22 15:38:56+0000 blanchard (blanchard) is now offline 2012-03-22 16:29:11+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: what do you think of the client who wrote? Budget seem to be on the low end, but it has been a while since I had to deal with payment processing on websites, it probably got easier in the meantime 2012-03-22 16:34:20+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, looking 2012-03-22 16:38:43+0000 <antoviaque> I've just sent another client application that we received 2012-03-22 16:40:23+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, " is your 10% on top of the project cost, or a cut?" I'd like to understand that myself. ;) 2012-03-22 16:41:42+0000 <arbrandes> And yes, sort of low budget - I guess it depends on the payment system. Haven't done much of that in a while, either - mtyaka, have you done any work with PayPal and company lately? 2012-03-22 16:42:38+0000 <antoviaque> It's because I'm not sure myself :) what do you think? I had in mind to try to add it on top of the coder price, and see if that matches the client budget, but we may not have that option 2012-03-22 16:43:25+0000 <arbrandes> Last time I tried Paypal (it was with Rails), it was a little bit of a pain, but more because of Rails than Paypal. This *must* be easier now. 2012-03-22 16:44:44+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, depends on how we set up the "flow". Not to exhaust the airbnb example, but... :) Both sides pay a little, in addition to the "official", listed price. 2012-03-22 16:45:32+0000 <arbrandes> Dunno exactly what I just meant (hehehe), but I guess that adding to the price as a fee would be ok to start with. 2012-03-22 16:46:14+0000 <arbrandes> But wait... we're doing the matching, right? And we're going to push for a by-the-hour approach, right? 2012-03-22 16:46:40+0000 <antoviaque> yep, if we can : ) 2012-03-22 16:47:21+0000 <antoviaque> if we apply it to the price, we could do 5% on top of the client price - this way it shares the burden between the coder and the client, and makes the number lower :) 2012-03-22 16:47:36+0000 <antoviaque> (ie they give 5% each) 2012-03-22 16:47:43+0000 <antoviaque> if that makes sense? 2012-03-22 16:48:14+0000 <arbrandes> So to address the first client: if it were me doing it, let's say I'd charge what I charge Farsides for CS. I'd then think of an estimated number of hours, and get a quote. Let's say the quote is 2 or 3 times what he asked (for argument's sake). How would we handle this? Would be say something like: "we have this excellent hacker, but he's more expensive than you noted originally." 2012-03-22 16:48:33+0000 <arbrandes> And once a price is reached, we add onto *that*. 2012-03-22 16:48:51+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, let me see if I understand 2012-03-22 16:49:48+0000 <arbrandes> I guess my question is still: what is the "price"? and how is it set? 2012-03-22 16:49:55+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: yes, I guess getting an idea of the exact amount of work need for the task, to decide if the client is realistic or not 2012-03-22 16:50:30+0000 <antoviaque> for setting the price, we could maybe start by having a chat with the prospective clients 2012-03-22 16:50:49+0000 <antoviaque> there are very few of them right now, and we'll learn from those discussions in any case 2012-03-22 16:50:58+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, also, are we going to be responsible for the initial task size estimation, or is this something best left to the hacker? 2012-03-22 16:51:16+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: ultimately it should be the responsibility of the coder imho 2012-03-22 16:51:38+0000 <antoviaque> but for the selection/matchmaking process, it would help to make an estimate ourselves I think 2012-03-22 16:52:04+0000 <antoviaque> so that if we put a client in contact with a hacker, we already know that the client is not completely unreasonable (which is a bit our promise) 2012-03-22 16:52:12+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, agreed on both counts. For ideal matches, we need to know the coder's rate, and how many hours a project might take. 2012-03-22 16:52:24+0000 <arbrandes> yup 2012-03-22 16:53:50+0000 <antoviaque> If you want, I can setup the chat meetings - I'll just wait for the post to drop out of HN's homepage to know how many potential clients we have, and then we go discuss with them together 2012-03-22 16:54:21+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, you mean all clients together? 2012-03-22 16:54:28+0000 <arbrandes> (potential clients, that is) 2012-03-22 16:54:29+0000 <antoviaque> no no 2012-03-22 16:54:33+0000 <antoviaque> each separately 2012-03-22 16:54:38+0000 <arbrandes> ah, ok 2012-03-22 16:54:39+0000 <arbrandes> :) 2012-03-22 16:54:50+0000 <antoviaque> unless we have thousands of clients who are candidates, but I doubt it ;p 2012-03-22 16:56:51+0000 <arbrandes> Roger on that - nevertheless, we want to answer the first client emails ASAP, right? At least to set up the "interview". 2012-03-22 16:56:59+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque ^ 2012-03-22 16:57:46+0000 <antoviaque> Yes, agreed 2012-03-22 16:58:23+0000 <antoviaque> I'm quite caught up by answering on HN though, so I'd like to leave that behind me before this 2012-03-22 16:58:58+0000 <antoviaque> or you can take care of setuping the client interviews maybe? You're better than me with estimations, I can be only there in support 2012-03-22 16:58:59+0000 <arbrandes> How do you want to handle this stuff? Your the "owner of the idea" , so to speak, I don't know how comfortable you'd be letting me take some of it on. 2012-03-22 16:59:28+0000 <arbrandes> Ok, I can do that 2012-03-22 16:59:30+0000 <antoviaque> of course - feel free to take up anything you think relevant - we're in this together : ) 2012-03-22 17:00:12+0000 <antoviaque> Maybe a good experiment would be to see if we can get them to have the chat meeting on IRC 2012-03-22 17:00:43+0000 <antoviaque> maybe have a dedicated page like http://farsides.com/chat/ - one per project/client 2012-03-22 17:00:47+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, hmmm that's an interesting point. Coders will have no problem with it, but clients... not sure 2012-03-22 17:00:59+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, yes, that makes more sense than having them install IRC clients 2012-03-22 17:01:17+0000 <antoviaque> yep, that's why it's good to try it up early, since we'll have the issue for daily meetings 2012-03-22 17:01:30+0000 <antoviaque> if it doesn't work for clients, it will give us time to come up with a solution 2012-03-22 17:03:30+0000 <arbrandes> Technical issues aside, I'm thinking of how clients will be wary of having discussions "out in the open" 2012-03-22 17:03:50+0000 <arbrandes> And thus IRC might not be the right path 2012-03-22 17:04:33+0000 <arbrandes> Thoughts on this? antoviaque ^ 2012-03-22 17:04:46+0000 <antoviaque> ahhh, true 2012-03-22 17:05:35+0000 <antoviaque> maybe we'll need to look at ways to control access to channels 2012-03-22 17:05:40+0000 <arbrandes> Maybe we can discuss things on some other form of private chatroom, log them, and post them amongst ourselves. 2012-03-22 17:06:49+0000 <antoviaque> IRC is good because we are used to it, but maybe one with a gateway to IRC 2012-03-22 17:07:19+0000 <antoviaque> Or one of the web IRC+server projects we saw *need to look up the name again* 2012-03-22 17:07:31+0000 <arbrandes> What I'm thinking is this: while we don't have a private web IRC channel (don't know how hard this would be to set up), maybe we can just have these discussions on a Gtalk/Skype group chat, which clients are bound to have installed.. 2012-03-22 17:07:39+0000 <antoviaque> but do as you think is good for that first meeting, we'll get time to think about it before work actually starts 2012-03-22 17:07:58+0000 <antoviaque> yup, going for what's simple works for me 2012-03-22 17:08:44+0000 * arbrandes looking up Skype/Gtalk group chats, and if they can be logged 2012-03-22 17:12:38+0000 <mtyaka> Hey, still nr. 5 with 26 comments, impressive! 2012-03-22 17:14:10+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap 2012-03-22 17:20:19+0000 <antoviaque> hehe, yep : ) 2012-03-22 17:20:27+0000 <arbrandes> Gtalk logs beautifully server-side, but I can't use adolfo@hackertrade - unless you're using Google Apps for it, antoviaque - are you? 2012-03-22 17:21:09+0000 <arbrandes> yup, awesome positioning - I'm all excited ;) 2012-03-22 17:32:11+0000 tartarugafeliz (tartarugafeliz) is now online 2012-03-22 17:57:36+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, just curious what your expectations are: it seems we're getting plenty of interest from clients and hackers. How quickly do you see us actually setting up a match? It seems the primary blocker would be setting up the escrow account, right? 2012-03-22 17:59:27+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: probably yep - although we may find out a temporary solution in the meantime, will need to check with david 2012-03-22 18:00:16+0000 <antoviaque> Nope, not using google apps 2012-03-22 18:00:29+0000 <arbrandes> ok :) 2012-03-22 18:00:37+0000 <antoviaque> We can also maybe look at campfire? 2012-03-22 18:00:42+0000 <arbrandes> good idea 2012-03-22 18:00:55+0000 <arbrandes> excellent idea, as a matter of fact 2012-03-22 18:22:25+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-22 18:39:58+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: cool for the campfire! thanks 2012-03-22 18:40:34+0000 <antoviaque> do you know if the audio works well with it? If it does it could be good to hear them, to get a feel 2012-03-22 18:52:54+0000 <antoviaque> btw I'd like to put some SU traffic while we're at it, to see if we can generate some leads this way even with the "hacker" branding - any objections? 2012-03-22 18:56:24+0000 <antoviaque> # cat hackertrade.com_nginx_access.log |awk '{ print $1 }' |uniq |wc -l 2012-03-22 18:56:24+0000 <antoviaque> 21597 2012-03-22 18:56:44+0000 <antoviaque> 21.5K unique ips/visits :D 2012-03-22 18:59:26+0000 <antoviaque> ok, comments have leveled off, and we're getting toward the bottom of the page, so I can help with the meetings if you need me arbrandes 2012-03-22 18:59:53+0000 <tartarugafeliz> we're 13 2012-03-22 18:59:57+0000 <tartarugafeliz> its not bad 2012-03-22 19:00:36+0000 <antoviaque> yep it's still good, and we're still getting lots of traffic - but I think most of the questions people had have been asked : ) 2012-03-22 19:02:14+0000 * antoviaque glad it was a static site, it held well 2012-03-22 19:10:14+0000 <tartarugafeliz> yeap! :) 2012-03-22 19:36:10+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: there? 2012-03-22 20:04:25+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, back 2012-03-22 20:05:10+0000 <antoviaque> re : ) 2012-03-22 20:05:34+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, "SU" traffic? 2012-03-22 20:05:42+0000 <antoviaque> Stumble Upon 2012-03-22 20:06:09+0000 <arbrandes> no objections at all 2012-03-22 20:06:16+0000 <antoviaque> positionned on channels where we could find clients (ie business & outsourcing topics) 2012-03-22 20:06:40+0000 <antoviaque> ok! 2012-03-22 20:06:48+0000 <arbrandes> agreed, clients are the key, I think 2012-03-22 20:07:49+0000 <arbrandes> I'm reading all the answers on HN to see if they answer *my* questions, heheheh 2012-03-22 20:12:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, testing audio on campfire, private room 1 2012-03-22 20:12:15+0000 <antoviaque> ahahahaha 2012-03-22 20:15:25+0000 <arbrandes> rofl 2012-03-22 20:23:39+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: let me know if you need help for setting up the meetings btw 2012-03-22 20:24:23+0000 <antoviaque> in the meantime I'm going to send an email to the coders to acknowledge we've got their application, and telling them it's going to take us some time to review them 2012-03-22 20:24:53+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, I'll holler - I'm trying to get my bearings first so I don't say anything stupid. In any case, I'm going to follow your lead and plead ignorance when stuff I don't know comes up. 2012-03-22 20:25:00+0000 <arbrandes> cool 2012-03-22 20:25:20+0000 <arbrandes> in any case, you're going to be present in the meetings too, right? 2012-03-22 20:25:20+0000 <antoviaque> hehehe - best way to learn : ) 2012-03-22 20:25:29+0000 <antoviaque> yup 2012-03-22 20:25:32+0000 <arbrandes> ok 2012-03-22 20:25:47+0000 <antoviaque> There is Hacker School which might be a problem though, not sure how to handle that part 2012-03-22 20:26:26+0000 <antoviaque> if we can have the meetings today or tomorrow before the meeting, that would be best for me 2012-03-22 20:27:45+0000 <antoviaque> otherwise I'll just cheat a bit - but it would be a delicate situation :p 2012-03-22 20:34:14+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, ok, I'll see what I can do. I'm basically just going to fire off nice invitation emails to a chat, let's see what time's good for them. 2012-03-22 20:45:43+0000 <antoviaque> arbrandes: very good reply, gratz : ) 2012-03-22 20:53:05+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, thanks for the positive reinforcement - still on shaky ground here, hehehhe 2012-03-22 20:54:11+0000 <antoviaque> that's the fun of it :p 2012-03-22 21:23:08+0000 dachary (dachary) is now online 2012-03-22 21:29:33+0000 arbrandes (arbrandes) is now online 2012-03-22 22:02:24+0000 mtyaka (mtyaka) is now offline 2012-03-22 22:16:16+0000 <antoviaque> yey, 6 clients so far : ) 2012-03-22 22:59:10+0000 <antoviaque> did the skype interview - hope I wasn't *too* bad 2012-03-22 22:59:20+0000 * antoviaque better at typing than talking :p 2012-03-22 23:18:58+0000 <arbrandes> antoviaque, back - can't wait to see it, did they say when they would put it up? 2012-03-22 23:19:10+0000 <antoviaque> ahahah 2012-03-22 23:19:29+0000 <antoviaque> in 1-2 days he said, the time to edit/write 2012-03-22 23:20:05+0000 <antoviaque> the guy was really liking it - I don't think they have a huge audience, but the 3K followers are good to take (if they are real people ;p) 2012-03-22 23:32:18+0000 <arbrandes> At this point, 3k followers is great 2012-03-22 23:32:33+0000 <arbrandes> We need to take what we can get, right? :) 2012-03-22 23:44:25+0000 <antoviaque> definitely : ) 2012-03-22 23:44:49+0000 * antoviaque doing a quick&dirty tool to convert the applications to HTML 2012-03-22 23:45:11+0000 <antoviaque> should make it easier to read those : )
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