Hi,
Gary, Illya and I just had a chat about the communication issues on
http://community.hackit.cx/chat/
This chat, and what we agreed on, was also posted on vWorker for
reference in case of an arbitration:
1) Carefully read the emails, ask questions on parts that aren't
understood, and answer all questions on the same day
2) Send complete report of all work done, and all issues
encoutered, every day
3) Stay connected during work to
http://community.hackit.cx/chat/ - this way if there is an
urgent issue, we can discuss it directly
We also agreed that Illya would fix the remaining list of bugs today.
Here is the log:
28/09/2010 11:53:41 ‹Kalhaan› Hi
28/09/2010 11:53:44 * Illya joins Farsides
28/09/2010 11:53:49 ‹Kalhaan› (It's Xavier)
28/09/2010 11:53:54 ‹Kalhaan› Hi Illya
28/09/2010 11:53:55 ‹Illya› Hello
28/09/2010 11:54:03 ‹Gary› Hello
28/09/2010 11:54:06 ‹Kalhaan› How are you?
28/09/2010 11:54:11 ‹Illya› Ok
28/09/2010 11:54:24 ‹Gary› fine and working hard
28/09/2010 11:54:32 ‹Kalhaan› Good
28/09/2010 11:54:47 ‹Kalhaan› So, can you explain what happened?
28/09/2010 11:55:04 ‹Gary› on Friday?
28/09/2010 11:55:18 ‹Kalhaan› For example yes
28/09/2010 11:57:33 ‹Kalhaan› Allo?
28/09/2010 11:58:03 ‹Gary› We waited for you till 3pm
28/09/2010 11:58:12 ‹Gary› then Ilya went home
28/09/2010 11:58:28 ‹Kalhaan› The meeting was supposed to be here, at
http://community.hackit.cx/chat/
28/09/2010 11:58:28 ‹Gary› I also had limit access after 4 pm
28/09/2010 11:59:11 ‹Kalhaan› You didn't see that it was supposed to be
here?
28/09/2010 12:00:43 ‹Gary› I've wrote you that I couldn't get in here.
so Ilya sent you an email to meet in skype
28/09/2010 12:01:22 ‹Kalhaan› You told me by email that you couldn't get
here? When?
28/09/2010 12:01:37 ‹Kalhaan› Also, I asked the day before to check that
you could connect here, did you do that?
28/09/2010 12:02:50 ‹Gary› on skype
28/09/2010 12:03:16 ‹Kalhaan› Ah, yes, that I remember - you are right
28/09/2010 12:03:38 ‹Gary› I checked it from office and it worked. On
Friday I was at home
28/09/2010 12:03:55 ‹Gary› I think that was misunderstanding
28/09/2010 12:03:55 ‹Kalhaan› But I was only able to login on Skype at
3pm - so you didn't warn me you couldn't connect before, right?
28/09/2010 12:04:02 ‹Gary› we are really sorry of that
28/09/2010 12:04:49 ‹Gary› right
28/09/2010 12:05:15 ‹Gary› I asked Ilya to sent you an email
28/09/2010 12:05:28 ‹Kalhaan› Well, I can understand a mistake - the
issue is that it's quite representative of the issue we currently have
with communication
28/09/2010 12:05:49 ‹Kalhaan› For example, do you remember what we
agreed on during our last chat?
28/09/2010 12:06:55 ‹Gary› reports
28/09/2010 12:07:31 ‹Kalhaan› yup, and answers within 24h, right?
28/09/2010 12:08:22 ‹Gary› yes
28/09/2010 12:08:34 ‹Kalhaan› Was that agreement respected?
28/09/2010 12:08:57 ‹Gary› yes of course
28/09/2010 12:09:31 ‹Kalhaan› I'm sorry, but I haven't seen reports
every day - no?
28/09/2010 12:10:02 ‹Kalhaan› And for answers within 24h, I'm still
waiting for an answer on a new deadline to complete fixing the bugs
currently listed in the tracker
28/09/2010 12:10:24 ‹Kalhaan› Am I wrong here?
28/09/2010 12:10:42 ‹Gary› As I know last week Ilya sent you email every
day
28/09/2010 12:11:35 ‹Kalhaan› Let me check
28/09/2010 12:12:30 ‹Kalhaan› None on Friday and Thrusday
28/09/2010 12:12:52 ‹Kalhaan› Not on Wednesday either
28/09/2010 12:13:32 ‹Kalhaan› The last report I have is on the 17th -
and it's only one sentence
28/09/2010 12:14:34 ‹Kalhaan› There has been some emails exchanged
though - it wouldn't be fair to say that there was no communication at
all
28/09/2010 12:14:39 ‹Kalhaan› And thanks for that
28/09/2010 12:15:36 ‹Kalhaan› But do you agreee that there is a big
issue with communication?
28/09/2010 12:18:00 ‹Gary› I've just talked to Ilya and described him
the situation. Also I told him that communication emails are not enough.
So also report emails should be presented
28/09/2010 12:19:07 ‹Gary› Yes I agree that we need to improve our
efficient communication
28/09/2010 12:19:22 ‹Gary› anyway Ilya works hard on the project
28/09/2010 12:20:51 ‹Kalhaan› I know that, and I really appreciate your
work Illya
28/09/2010 12:21:19 ‹Kalhaan› That's why I hate to see that the
communication is getting in the way of building a good realtionship
here :/
28/09/2010 12:21:29 ‹Illya› Yesterday, I've intalled and started to
create phpunit tests
28/09/2010 12:21:43 ‹Illya› Today I am working on po files support
28/09/2010 12:22:58 ‹Kalhaan› Cool! How is it going with the unit tests?
Do you have any issues with it?
28/09/2010 12:23:11 ‹Illya› I've updated info on lauchpad that some of
bugs are already fixed
28/09/2010 12:23:25 ‹Kalhaan› Yup, I saw that too - thanks!
28/09/2010 12:25:24 ‹Illya› I have some difficults with creating unit
tests for Kohana
28/09/2010 12:26:39 ‹Kalhaan› I don't know Kohana, but if you need help
or have specific questions, I'd be happy to try to help
28/09/2010 12:26:51 ‹Illya› because first I thought that standart IDE
tools for creating structure so called "test templete"
28/09/2010 12:27:06 ‹Kalhaan› You can post questions on the mailing-list
and I'll have a look
28/09/2010 12:28:37 ‹Illya› but unfortunately IDE can create tests only
for standart classes, but not extended from basic Kohana Classes that
autoloaded
28/09/2010 12:29:37 ‹Kalhaan› You mean that the tests can only cover the
basic classes from the framework, not the ones you are creating?
28/09/2010 12:30:33 ‹Illya› every basic Kohana class I have to include
in test script. Of course I am still trying to figure out what I can do
in this situation.
28/09/2010 12:31:36 ‹Illya› I am talking about classes that I've
created, I think it's no need to test standart kohana classes, isn't
it?
28/09/2010 12:31:56 ‹Kalhaan› yep - only the code that you produce
should be tested
28/09/2010 12:32:46 ‹Kalhaan› If you want some help, really don't
hesitate to post the description on the ML, with some examples. I can
try to help (even if I'm not sure if I will be able to for things that
are specific to Kohana)
28/09/2010 12:32:59 ‹Illya› So now I am looking for info that says how I
can do it faster and better
28/09/2010 12:33:09 ‹Kalhaan› About the bugs - when do you think you
could have fixed them?
28/09/2010 12:33:13 ‹Illya› Thanks a lot
28/09/2010 12:33:44 ‹Kalhaan› Because currently they prevent proper
testing - so it's probably even more urgent to fix them than the
remaining features
28/09/2010 12:34:27 ‹Illya› I will try to finish the most part of them
today
28/09/2010 12:34:46 ‹Illya› can you close some bugs that are fixed?
28/09/2010 12:36:23 ‹Kalhaan› I will need to check them first - but you
can avoid seeing the bugs that you marked as "Fix commited" by using the
following view:
28/09/2010 12:36:27 ‹Illya› And what cards I have to use now? Is it a
batch of cards that Deborah send in email yesterday or I have to leave
previous version ?
28/09/2010 12:37:06 ‹Kalhaan› https://bugs.launchpad.net/car...eld.has
28/09/2010 12:37:32 ‹Kalhaan› The one she sent yesterday - it's the
finalized version she just completed
28/09/2010 12:38:05 ‹Illya› Ok
28/09/2010 12:38:32 ‹Kalhaan› Ok, seems good.
28/09/2010 12:39:05 ‹Kalhaan› About the communication, to try to improve
it, I'd like to agree on the following - tell me if it's ok:
28/09/2010 12:39:21 ‹Kalhaan› 1) You carefully read the emails, ask
questions on parts that aren't understood, and answer all questions on
the same day
28/09/2010 12:39:36 ‹Kalhaan› 2) You send complete report of all work
done, and all issues encoutered, every day
28/09/2010 12:40:06 ‹Kalhaan› 3) You stay connected during work to
http://community.hackit.cx/chat/ - this way if there is an urgent issue,
we can discuss it directly
28/09/2010 12:40:44 ‹Kalhaan› Sounds good?
28/09/2010 12:40:53 ‹Illya› Yes, sure!
28/09/2010 12:41:04 ‹Kalhaan› Cool - thanks Illya : )
28/09/2010 12:41:37 ‹Kalhaan› Is it ok if I post our conversation, for
reference, on both the mailing-list and vWorker?
28/09/2010 12:42:50 ‹Gary› it is good for us
28/09/2010 12:43:00 ‹Gary› no problem
28/09/2010 12:43:07 ‹Kalhaan› Perfect - thanks to both of you
28/09/2010 12:43:18 ‹Kalhaan› Now it's your turn - is there anything
that I can do for you?
28/09/2010 12:43:19 ‹Gary› ok Xavier - talk to you soon
28/09/2010 12:43:27 ‹Kalhaan› Any issue that makes your life hard?
28/09/2010 12:43:35 ‹Gary› only tests for now
28/09/2010 12:44:06 ‹Kalhaan› Ah, that one is a difficult one yup - as I
said if I can help to solve specific issues, I'll be happy to
28/09/2010 12:44:07 ‹Illya› Thank you!
28/09/2010 12:44:28 ‹Kalhaan› Thanks - and good luck with the work!
28/09/2010 12:44:38 ‹Gary› Iilya will contact you on this
28/09/2010 12:44:43 ‹Gary› thanks!
Xavier.
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