On Tue, 2010-09-28 at 14:50 +0200, Xavier Antoviaque wrote: > Here is the log:
Hum, that didn't went well - here it is again, attached, hopefully with newline characters this time ;p Xavier.
28/09/2010 11:53:31 * Kalhaan joins Farsides 28/09/2010 11:53:41 ‹Kalhaan› Hi 28/09/2010 11:53:44 * Illya joins Farsides 28/09/2010 11:53:49 ‹Kalhaan› (It's Xavier) 28/09/2010 11:53:54 ‹Kalhaan› Hi Illya 28/09/2010 11:53:55 ‹Illya› Hello 28/09/2010 11:54:03 ‹Gary› Hello 28/09/2010 11:54:06 ‹Kalhaan› How are you? 28/09/2010 11:54:11 ‹Illya› Ok 28/09/2010 11:54:24 ‹Gary› fine and working hard 28/09/2010 11:54:32 ‹Kalhaan› Good 28/09/2010 11:54:47 ‹Kalhaan› So, can you explain what happened? 28/09/2010 11:55:04 ‹Gary› on Friday? 28/09/2010 11:55:18 ‹Kalhaan› For example yes 28/09/2010 11:57:33 ‹Kalhaan› Allo? 28/09/2010 11:58:03 ‹Gary› We waited for you till 3pm 28/09/2010 11:58:12 ‹Gary› then Ilya went home 28/09/2010 11:58:28 ‹Kalhaan› The meeting was supposed to be here, at http://community.hackit.cx/chat/ 28/09/2010 11:58:28 ‹Gary› I also had limit access after 4 pm 28/09/2010 11:59:11 ‹Kalhaan› You didn't see that it was supposed to be here? 28/09/2010 12:00:43 ‹Gary› I've wrote you that I couldn't get in here. so Ilya sent you an email to meet in skype 28/09/2010 12:01:22 ‹Kalhaan› You told me by email that you couldn't get here? When? 28/09/2010 12:01:37 ‹Kalhaan› Also, I asked the day before to check that you could connect here, did you do that? 28/09/2010 12:02:50 ‹Gary› on skype 28/09/2010 12:03:16 ‹Kalhaan› Ah, yes, that I remember - you are right 28/09/2010 12:03:38 ‹Gary› I checked it from office and it worked. On Friday I was at home 28/09/2010 12:03:55 ‹Gary› I think that was misunderstanding 28/09/2010 12:03:55 ‹Kalhaan› But I was only able to login on Skype at 3pm - so you didn't warn me you couldn't connect before, right? 28/09/2010 12:04:02 ‹Gary› we are really sorry of that 28/09/2010 12:04:49 ‹Gary› right 28/09/2010 12:05:15 ‹Gary› I asked Ilya to sent you an email 28/09/2010 12:05:28 ‹Kalhaan› Well, I can understand a mistake - the issue is that it's quite representative of the issue we currently have with communication 28/09/2010 12:05:49 ‹Kalhaan› For example, do you remember what we agreed on during our last chat? 28/09/2010 12:06:55 ‹Gary› reports 28/09/2010 12:07:31 ‹Kalhaan› yup, and answers within 24h, right? 28/09/2010 12:08:22 ‹Gary› yes 28/09/2010 12:08:34 ‹Kalhaan› Was that agreement respected? 28/09/2010 12:08:57 ‹Gary› yes of course 28/09/2010 12:09:31 ‹Kalhaan› I'm sorry, but I haven't seen reports every day - no? 28/09/2010 12:10:02 ‹Kalhaan› And for answers within 24h, I'm still waiting for an answer on a new deadline to complete fixing the bugs currently listed in the tracker 28/09/2010 12:10:24 ‹Kalhaan› Am I wrong here? 28/09/2010 12:10:42 ‹Gary› As I know last week Ilya sent you email every day 28/09/2010 12:11:35 ‹Kalhaan› Let me check 28/09/2010 12:12:30 ‹Kalhaan› None on Friday and Thrusday 28/09/2010 12:12:52 ‹Kalhaan› Not on Wednesday either 28/09/2010 12:13:32 ‹Kalhaan› The last report I have is on the 17th - and it's only one sentence 28/09/2010 12:14:34 ‹Kalhaan› There has been some emails exchanged though - it wouldn't be fair to say that there was no communication at all 28/09/2010 12:14:39 ‹Kalhaan› And thanks for that 28/09/2010 12:15:36 ‹Kalhaan› But do you agreee that there is a big issue with communication? 28/09/2010 12:18:00 ‹Gary› I've just talked to Ilya and described him the situation. Also I told him that communication emails are not enough. So also report emails should be presented 28/09/2010 12:19:07 ‹Gary› Yes I agree that we need to improve our efficient communication 28/09/2010 12:19:22 ‹Gary› anyway Ilya works hard on the project 28/09/2010 12:20:51 ‹Kalhaan› I know that, and I really appreciate your work Illya 28/09/2010 12:21:19 ‹Kalhaan› That's why I hate to see that the communication is getting in the way of building a good realtionship here :/ 28/09/2010 12:21:29 ‹Illya› Yesterday, I've intalled and started to create phpunit tests 28/09/2010 12:21:43 ‹Illya› Today I am working on po files support 28/09/2010 12:22:58 ‹Kalhaan› Cool! How is it going with the unit tests? Do you have any issues with it? 28/09/2010 12:23:11 ‹Illya› I've updated info on lauchpad that some of bugs are already fixed 28/09/2010 12:23:25 ‹Kalhaan› Yup, I saw that too - thanks! 28/09/2010 12:25:24 ‹Illya› I have some difficults with creating unit tests for Kohana 28/09/2010 12:26:39 ‹Kalhaan› I don't know Kohana, but if you need help or have specific questions, I'd be happy to try to help 28/09/2010 12:26:51 ‹Illya› because first I thought that standart IDE tools for creating structure so called "test templete" 28/09/2010 12:27:06 ‹Kalhaan› You can post questions on the mailing-list and I'll have a look 28/09/2010 12:28:37 ‹Illya› but unfortunately IDE can create tests only for standart classes, but not extended from basic Kohana Classes that autoloaded 28/09/2010 12:29:37 ‹Kalhaan› You mean that the tests can only cover the basic classes from the framework, not the ones you are creating? 28/09/2010 12:30:33 ‹Illya› every basic Kohana class I have to include in test script. Of course I am still trying to figure out what I can do in this situation. 28/09/2010 12:31:36 ‹Illya› I am talking about classes that I've created, I think it's no need to test standart kohana classes, isn't it? 28/09/2010 12:31:56 ‹Kalhaan› yep - only the code that you produce should be tested 28/09/2010 12:32:46 ‹Kalhaan› If you want some help, really don't hesitate to post the description on the ML, with some examples. I can try to help (even if I'm not sure if I will be able to for things that are specific to Kohana) 28/09/2010 12:32:59 ‹Illya› So now I am looking for info that says how I can do it faster and better 28/09/2010 12:33:09 ‹Kalhaan› About the bugs - when do you think you could have fixed them? 28/09/2010 12:33:13 ‹Illya› Thanks a lot 28/09/2010 12:33:44 ‹Kalhaan› Because currently they prevent proper testing - so it's probably even more urgent to fix them than the remaining features 28/09/2010 12:34:27 ‹Illya› I will try to finish the most part of them today 28/09/2010 12:34:46 ‹Illya› can you close some bugs that are fixed? 28/09/2010 12:36:23 ‹Kalhaan› I will need to check them first - but you can avoid seeing the bugs that you marked as "Fix commited" by using the following view: 28/09/2010 12:36:27 ‹Illya› And what cards I have to use now? Is it a batch of cards that Deborah send in email yesterday or I have to leave previous version ? 28/09/2010 12:37:06 ‹Kalhaan› https://bugs.launchpad.net/car...eld.has 28/09/2010 12:37:32 ‹Kalhaan› The one she sent yesterday - it's the finalized version she just completed 28/09/2010 12:38:05 ‹Illya› Ok 28/09/2010 12:38:32 ‹Kalhaan› Ok, seems good. 28/09/2010 12:39:05 ‹Kalhaan› About the communication, to try to improve it, I'd like to agree on the following - tell me if it's ok: 28/09/2010 12:39:21 ‹Kalhaan› 1) You carefully read the emails, ask questions on parts that aren't understood, and answer all questions on the same day 28/09/2010 12:39:36 ‹Kalhaan› 2) You send complete report of all work done, and all issues encoutered, every day 28/09/2010 12:40:06 ‹Kalhaan› 3) You stay connected during work to http://community.hackit.cx/chat/ - this way if there is an urgent issue, we can discuss it directly 28/09/2010 12:40:44 ‹Kalhaan› Sounds good? 28/09/2010 12:40:53 ‹Illya› Yes, sure! 28/09/2010 12:41:04 ‹Kalhaan› Cool - thanks Illya : ) 28/09/2010 12:41:37 ‹Kalhaan› Is it ok if I post our conversation, for reference, on both the mailing-list and vWorker? 28/09/2010 12:42:50 ‹Gary› it is good for us 28/09/2010 12:43:00 ‹Gary› no problem 28/09/2010 12:43:07 ‹Kalhaan› Perfect - thanks to both of you 28/09/2010 12:43:18 ‹Kalhaan› Now it's your turn - is there anything that I can do for you? 28/09/2010 12:43:19 ‹Gary› ok Xavier - talk to you soon 28/09/2010 12:43:27 ‹Kalhaan› Any issue that makes your life hard? 28/09/2010 12:43:35 ‹Gary› only tests for now 28/09/2010 12:44:06 ‹Kalhaan› Ah, that one is a difficult one yup - as I said if I can help to solve specific issues, I'll be happy to 28/09/2010 12:44:07 ‹Illya› Thank you! 28/09/2010 12:44:28 ‹Kalhaan› Thanks - and good luck with the work! 28/09/2010 12:44:38 ‹Gary› Iilya will contact you on this 28/09/2010 12:44:43 ‹Gary› thanks!
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