Monsieur Mathias,
Nothing to it. I don't know exactly how accurate my tuner is and I frankly
don't care as long as it's in the ballpark. I never just go by the tuner;
there's always some degree of adjustment by ear so technically I'm never
strictly playing in any temperament. This is undoubtedly what was actually
done back in the day. It still is today. Modern strings and winds, supposedly
in ET, are constantly adjusting intervals by ear as they play - as they should.
Fortunately for us, tuning systems are rarely of much use outside of theory.
Chris
--- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de> wrote:
> From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and ET? Remedy?
> To: chriswi...@yahoo.com
> Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 5:34 PM
> Chris,
>
> your work commands my respect, seriously. I would never
> figure to do
> that myself. My eletronic device isn't as fine as to show
> exact single
> cents. What's more, I wouldn't dare to position frets so
> that all the
> notes accurately fit. BTW, no need to call me Herr on an
> English-speaking list.
>
> Best,
>
> Mathias
>
> <chriswi...@yahoo.com>
> schrieb:
> > Herr Roesel,
> >
> > I used the most historically
> accurate method: an electronic tuner. ;-)
> > Once got the open strings, I fidgeted frets around by
> ear depending on the key and context (which is actually the
> historical precedent). If needed, I would sometimes
> re-finger passages to include different
> frets/strings/positions if they sounded too sour. I
> concentrated mainly on post-Weiss music, so it worked pretty
> well. I don't have much experience with many of the
> nouveau accords, but could see how this could be
> problematic. I finally decided the payoff wasn't really
> worth the time and have since gone back to (mostly) ET with
> no great sense of loss.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/12/09, "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: "Mathias Rösel" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>
> > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor tuning and
> ET? Remedy?
> > > To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 12:02 PM
> > > Could say how to do that?
> > >
> > > Mathias
> > >
> > > <chriswi...@yahoo.com>
> > > schrieb:
> > > > I've found that Kirnberger III works pretty
> > > well. I used it for a while although I'm back
> to ET
> > > nowadays.
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Edward Martin <e...@gamutstrings.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Edward Martin <e...@gamutstrings.com>
> > > > > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: D-minor
> tuning and
> > > ET? Remedy?
> > > > > To: ""Mathias Rösel"" <mathias.roe...@t-online.de>,
> > > baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
> > > > > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 8:36
> PM
> > > > > I agree with Mathias. ET works
> > > > > best for d minor tuned lutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > ed
> > > > >
> > > > > At 05:16 PM 12/11/2009, Mathias Rösel
> wrote:
> > > > > >I never tried to get MT on the 11c
> lute.
> > > Taking the a's
> > > > > and fourth frets
> > > > > >a bit down seems about all you can
> do if you
> > > absolutely
> > > > > want to. I don't
> > > > > >because IMHO 11c lutes in D minor
> tuning were
> > > invented,
> > > > > so to say, for
> > > > > >ET. The same applies to the
> predecessors and
> > > company of
> > > > > the D minor
> > > > > >tuning, i. e. so-called
> transitional
> > > tunings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Mathias
> > > > > >
> > > > > >"wikla" <wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
> > > > > schrieb:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear baroque lutenists,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > getting into the d-minor
> tuned lute's
> > > secrets
> > > > > seems to be an interesting
> > > > > > > task! Among the many first
> impressions
> > > - partly
> > > > > good, partly not so good -
> > > > > > > was one of the latter: it
> looked like
> > > you really
> > > > > should get used to the
> > > > > > > equal temperament - to me
> quite heavy
> > > a
> > > > > sacrifice. Anyhow, after asking my
> > > > > > > former lute teacher and
> taking a look
> > > to his
> > > > > 11-courser, I got the idea
> > > > > > > that at least you can make
> your F-major
> > > and some
> > > > > other keys better by
> > > > > > > tuning the a's a little bit
> lower and
> > > taking the
> > > > > 4th fret a little lower;
> > > > > > > then there you have the
> a(low), f# and
> > > c#. All of
> > > > > them good to be low in
> > > > > > > many important keys.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyhow g-minor seems to be
> problematic:
> > > eb's and
> > > > > f#'s seem always want to
> > > > > > > be on the same fret in the
> neigboring
> > > strings.
> > > > > And I guess there will be no
> > > > > > > good D-major unless you tune
> the 1st
> > > and 4th to
> > > > > f#. They also used that
> > > > > > > scordatura in the 17th anf
> 18th
> > > centuries.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any comments, experiences or
> hints in
> > > getting
> > > > > better intonation than the ET
> > > > > > > in d-minor tuned lutes?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arto
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Edward Martin
> > > > > 2817 East 2nd Street
> > > > > Duluth, Minnesota 55812
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Viele Grüße
>
> Mathias Rösel
>
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