All,

For the Blackhole community can we just describe its purpose/usage and just
show the *:666 or *:999 as examples? I think the purpose and function
matter a lot more than what arbitrary number is used.

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Cheers, Rick

Experiences not things.

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:31 AM, Alex Saroyan <[email protected]> wrote:

>  Hi,
>
> I think idea behind BCOP in comparison with BCP is that we populate here
> the best practices which are "really used by operators". kind of real life
> examples.
> This is how I understood idea of BCOP introduced at first by Jan Zorz.
>
> Thus, I think we should not start including all the possible variations
> which are good for all the possible types of BGP speakers.
>
> 2. BGP Session Security - a mention of conformance with rfc5082 was
> also presented, and it I think it makes sense to add, does everyone
> agree?  2a. Along those lines is there agreement that the document
> should have a section covering basic BGP security considerations?
>
> Does anybody use or offer 5082 today, in practise?
>
>
>  I support Job Snijders' question - because if no Operator use this
> feature, it should not be included. I've never seen this used rather then
> in CCIE LAB.
>
>
>
>
> Most prevalent blackhole community is ASN:666, so i'd drop the :999
> reference.
>
>
> Job: Some people are not happy with number 666 and many operators use 999
> in real life. Both 666 and 999 are widely used among operators, so we can
> of course write that 666 is more widely used then 999 but I'm not sure that
> we can insist on using 666 only.
>
>
>
> 3. Prefix Length Integrity - The idea of identifying a maximum prefix
> lengths for both customers and ISPs to accept as well as a potential
> for a better defined interpretation of Strict\Loose prefix handling.
> ie. Loose = the /24(ipv4) and /48(ipv6). Strict = using the RIR
> minimal allocation as the limit.
>
> I can only speak for myself: if a customer registers up to a /30 as
> route object, I'd accept the prefix. If the customer registers a /24 or
> smaller, I'd accept up to a /24. Anything larger then a /24 I would not
> propagate to peers or other customers.
>
>  Here I think, we should insist that every operator MUST at least accept
> everything (of course properly registered) up to /24 and /48. Preventing
> all ideas of accepting up to /23 or shorter.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards.
> /Alex Saroyan
>
> On 02/10/2015 09:30 AM, BARRY GREENE wrote:
>
>
>  On Feb 10, 2015, at 5:24 AM, Scott Morris <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>   I can incorporate them into the draft stuff I worked on.
>
>
>  Not for this draft, but for the next one, I’ll put together a reference
> section from all the older “BGP BCP” materials. This will go back to the
> ISP Workshop materials and work forward. I’ll include all the NANOG
> tutorial/session pointers.
>
>  One other point, what about
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-opsec-bgp-security-07???
>
>  I think we should try some sort of alignment. If our goal is “behavior
> change,” then we should ensure the two documents provide the same guidance.
> Duplication is A-OK. We just reference each other.
>
>
>
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