--- In [email protected], "raihan hasnain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> true, linux doesn't has the capability to race with vista.

Huh!! Could you be more specific? As far my understanding goes, you
can not generalize such statement. Linux OSes has its proven
capabilities over Windows OSes and the opposite is also true too.   

I will doubt if your statement stands in the context of the
superiority of the core kernel.

UI blings!! Maybe but not once Compiz-Fusion becomes stable. Once
stable, it sure beats the pants out of Vista. So race is close there.

Security? Its not only vista, the total windows family is just a
*laugh*. And yet Vista is claimed to the most secure OS ever. Time
will tell but looking at similar claims and previous releases ...we
know whats going to happen. Unless ofcourse you are like traditional
windows user who thinks its not the responsibility of OS to be
inherently secure and its your obligation to use AntiVirus +
AntiSpyware + Firewall to keep your data secure.

I saw somewhere in the net where a windows user commented "whats the
harm in few reboots?". If you are happy about the way things are then
there is no better product for you. Isn't it? 

> most of the vista users are power gamers. and now directx 10 comes
in place.
> search on google if you want to know about dx10.

Yep, sure is gaming a *fatal attraction* of windows. But I guess you
are missing the point of why games are not available in Linux
platform. If you are thinking of the reason being library/API like
DirectX, I have to say you have no clue. Not only OpenGL is a far
better standard, given the nature of Game developers, who seldom use
their own game engine, it's not an issue for them to have their engine
ported to Linux. In fact, the codes are usually developed in such a
manner that its easier for them to compile on any ANSI platfrom. So
whats the reason?

The driver for gfx cards. Until recently, all high end gfx cards were
totally useless in Linux due to driver availability. But things are
changing now. HW manufacturer are now starting to take Linux into
their account. So given that all the cards are supplied with Linux
driver, I can see Gaming becoming a mainstream use of Linux.

So, yep, it is racing there ...

> copying in vista, it checks the integrity of the contents before it
can be
> copied. (macOS X does the same)

This is rather a bold claim. Raed on to see why?


> think of XP or any linux. you are copying something, at the end it
says that
> you are out of space, and you have to copy the whole thing again. in
vista
> this can't happen. it will tell you before it starts copying.
copying isn't
> slow! i have copied 7GB of my south park collection over LAN, in 10
minutes.
> with P4, 512MB RAM. (not even 2GB RAM and Core2Duo)

Checking for disk space is not content integrity. Its just a simple
functional check. Content integrity checking would be if it could
check if my avi/mp3/image file is corrupted.

Now, do you think how dumb Linux/XP developers were to not check for
space before copying? Don't they use their own OS? Don't they copy
files like us?
I don't know what you think of them but I think of them way clever
than average joe. Look at it from the app designer perspective. if you
have 1 directory containing 300 fies of total 30MB and you want to
copy it to a place where you have 20 MB space. For the feature
designer there are 2 options, 

1) Let the copy be success for number of files that can be copied to
the available space.
2) Not copy at all.

I vote for 1. I have seen ppl that would like 2. I am not going to
explain more on this but just wanted to show that many feature are
implemented based on design decision. Not based on the implementors
capability. Let alone the core developers, even i can write a patch
for Linux copy operation within 2 hour so that it checks for space
availability of total copy amount.

> 
> To shutdown, it is easier than ever, on any appliance, like tv,
radio or ac
> now you can start or shutdown you computer by pressing the power
button. to't know 
> shutdown you just had to press power button once. no need to
maneuver menus,
> icons or anything.

Yes, I would love that in my server. Yes it will be great to have that
in wall Street Stock Exchanges DB server. Cool!!! Just like AC/Radio,
shut it down ....

I know you are going to say that the machine will be protected and
only ppl who knows what they are doing will be allowed physical access
to it. yes yes.. i know what you mean... i need
antivirus+firewall+antispyware .. its my fault that my machine is not
secured. 

> 
> Moreover, to save time vista won't recommend you to shutdown your
PC, rather
> they prefer to sleep/hibernate. thats why they havn't put the shutdown
> button on start menu. still you can put it there if you want.
> 

Read above. But as fearure this is not a Vista enguinity. All OS now
have this. so not a race advantage.
(Just to let you know a secret .. the actual implementation of power
management in Linux sucks till date. So next time use that for your
argument instead of how having the button or not having the button
makes Vista better than Linux) 
   
> Every single feature of
> vista is useful. and those people who are using vista, will never
switch to
> anything

Wow thats a real strong claim. I wish you could know me personally to
see how once I used to be a die hard windows fan (i still like them
for whats they are due), would argue how linux sucks as desktop OS
(note the word desktop os. It used to be the days when X server would
crash every few ui operations.) and look at me after few years - I
have my laptop living on Linux (not even dual boot for last few
months). Thats my work and personal laptop. I develop, I do word
prcessing, I email, I browse, I wantch movies ... its all linux. why?
I am not bold enough to give a generic statment as My Linux distro is
better than XP/Vista. But I can give you reason which had make sence
to others. But this email is not the place for it.


> 
> take a survey on 100 people, or 10000 people, see what they say.
Again, wrong way of looking @ it. Ofcourse 98% of any number of people
you take will go for Windows OS. Becasue of many many issues -

FUD (Fear, Uncertainity and doubt) around Linux. Many promoted by
marketing strategies of the compettion - M$.
The mindset of tinking of Linux as a complicated, comman line OS
Actually not seeing one around to judge (yep, admit it, nobody uses it
for daily life :P )

I guess you will find a billion argument in internet on this issue. 

Now to conclude it, yes I can give you many reason that can shut the
lips of  Linux fan aganist Windows but I don't think you are
presenting the correct one to say "Linux can't race Vista". It can and
in some ways its ahead. The reasons are:

1) UI blings are far far far far better in Compiz-fusion. Actaully
Vista is 18th century in comparison that that. The catch: Gfx card
driver + stability of the Compiz-fusion itself.

2) Platfrom maturity of Vista as in API and Library included for
applications is as usual a good offering from M$. But Linux though may
not be streamlined (no signle OS standard API, you have 1000s of
libraries offered by 1000s of sources to pick and use) but definitely
not running behind.

3) Gaming: Windows wins over Linux. Hands down. But how long ... I
would say 2 more years max. Let the gfx cards drivers to be available
as per with windows ones.

4) Security: Antivirus, Antispyware, Firewall, Service
pack....checked...yep i am secured now. but whats this annying
confirmation dialog in every step?

there are more.

And finally, did you see the words floating aroun d in the net? M$ is
keeping XP alive more than it initially planned after Vista release.
Even Vista licence has rights for user to fall back to Xp if they
don't like it? Huh .... how come manufacturer of the OS where every
feature is useful is falling back to its previous version? Somehting
is worng ...


>Sarcasm isn't an option.
Din't get this statement.


Regards,

Soyuz

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