Will, I am an activist, that means that I put my beliefs into action. So If
someone  says "lets make a film" on this list I'll take them seriously
because most of the people that I Know on this list are movers and shakers
and I have the utmost respect for them, even if I don't agree with them from
time to time. They/we are getting it done (and yes Steve I love you too even
if your just after my wife). I'm just trying to get a straight answer, of
which you seem loath to even approach. So I have to assume that you weren't
serious, and that's perfectly ok. God bless.

In Love and Light,
Chris

>
> > Will
> > I for one have not been sitting on my hands for well over 20 years.
>
> > So I don't want to see Think LOKI or anything else.
>
>  >Thinking and talk is fine,
>
> > If you want to talk about doing a project, then cut the BS
>
> Dear Chris
> I hate it that I seemed to have provoked so much DEFENSIVENESS. I am not
> mocking what you have done and I could already sense that you were
producing
> volumes even before you listed them. I am pretty sure we are on the same
> team too and I had thought we could work to destroy the "enemy" out there
> not each other.
>
> I thought we had been discussing Michael Moore's work in particular
(rather
> than anyone's resume in this group) and, when I said "Think  LOKI, I was
> referring to tools and metaphors one could use to understand HIS
technique,
> not yours.  To me, the real point, and the only point I was trying to make
> is WHAT BEST ACHIEVES A PARADIGM SHIFT?
>
>  Too much violence, too much humor or too strident a tone can be
> counter-productive. We had a perfect example here in Minnesota last week
> when emotions ran high at the Senator Paul Wellstone memorial. A lot of
> strident  words were said and they had the opposite of desired effect:
those
> words basically elected the Bush lapdog, Norm Coleman. The whole world
will
> all pay for that for years to come.
>
> On the other hand, we might not have had an effective Civil Rights
Movement
> if we had stuck to the NAACP plan.  From Martin Luther King,  Malcolm X,
> Stokley Carmichael and a lady on the bus who refused to give up her seat,
we
> had paradigm shift. A bloody one, but it worked.
>
> In the '60's JFK caused a huge national paradigm shift  with his stirring
> speeches and many people I knew  joined the Peace Corps and, from his
words
> alone,  were permanently changed to the cause. For me, it was not only JFK
> but it came mostly through the MUSIC of the times. The words of the
Beatles,
> Bob Dylan,  Crosby, Sills, Nash and Young and so many others INFORMED ME
and
> caused me to leave the safety of my upbringing, develop the conviction to
> stand my ground, and ultimately get tear-gassed and even jailed for a
cause
> I didn't even understand at the time. When Viet Nam was over we were
stunned
> that we were actually right! Hell, we were just farm kids in the Midwest.
>
> MOVIES have changed my life, permanently.  A string of anti-war movies
> starting with Catch-22 (perhaps the best movie ever made IMHO) and Dr
> Strangelove , showed me war is wrong,  A string of anti-racism movies
> starting with To Kill A Mockingbird, to Hair, A Musical, changed my life
> forever. This continues to be a powerful vehicle of change in my life. For
> me, I can see the big picture better if I am clubbed over the head with
> humor and absurdity (which is why MM works for me).
>
> There are also BOOKS capable of starting a life change. I was reading
> Richard Brautigan's hilarious prose and poetry during the meltdown of the
> '60's. I read Juliette de Bairacli Levy's  "Herbal Guide to the Dog" and
> tossed away 8 years of sterile education as well as a safe secure career
for
> this mess of a career I have loved (and cursed) for the last 25 years. One
> book!
>
> So, in conclusion, I come back to us.   On one hand you tell us you feel
> "thinking and talking is fine"  (which is what I thought was the purpose
of
> this "discussion" group)  then on the other,  you tell me that  MY
thinking
> and talking is bull shit.  As a newcomer to this group, I really want to
> know:  Are you trying to inflame me to action using insults (tip: My past
> history indicates that SHAMING is an ineffective motivator for positive
> change) or trying to shut me up with a resume measuring contest?
>
> Will Winter

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