50 % true
The best hardware is useless without an operating systems. Most of this forum 
users are end-apllications developers, not kernel or embedded Linux developers. 
they expect quick results based on their current skills
A wise producer will allways provide a solid operating system in order to sel 
his wonder hardware. Because this hardware is mainly aquired by end 
applications developers (90%) and not by kernel/Linux developers.


From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On 
Behalf Of William Hermans
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 12:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [beagleboard] Angstrom Abandoned for BBB? Rumor + a Rant

Well said Paulo, and I have to agree 100% on the instant gratification / 
getting something for nothing aspect.

Also the amount of posts on the group that has nothing to do with with the 
hardware is staggering. Learning how to use Linux has nothing to do with 
electronics or the hardware provided by circuitco. I guess the acronym R.T.F.M. 
is lost on the current generation of users ?

On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 2:13 AM, Paulo Ferreira 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

On 30/12/2013, at 02:03, Mike Bremford <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
wrote:

>
> Where is this documented? And why should I care? The above two paragraphs are 
> unintelligible to anyone that hasn't been involved in embedded Linux for some 
> time.
>

It seems you are "barking at the wrong tree".

Unix is a tool. A powerful tool. As all powerful tools, power should come after 
some knowledge and practice.

Think of a razor sharp kitchen knife, a chainsaw, an arc welding machine, a 
forklift, a pickup truck.  All those are examples of very useful tools, but 
they only can be used in a productive way, after some practice time, and after 
having acquired some knowledge about how they work, and  how to use them 
correctly.


The standard phrase is that Unix is very user friendly, but picky about the 
friends...

 You can approach Unix at several levels:

1)  User level - command line use of the Unix utilities, and understanding of 
shell scripts
2)  Admin level - know how to manage users, programs, networking
3)  Programmer - know the POSIX programming model and all the UNIX programming 
tools (config, make, gcc, etc...)
4)  Kernel developer - all of the previous ones + how to compile a kernel


If you want to work with BeagleBone, you must at least understand that many 
people are doing all those levels  on the cutting edge of technology,
and that knowledge takes time, because you need to make things, to understand 
how they work.


The saddest thing, is that people want "things done" (or instant gratification) 
without "being involved".  Open Source does not work that way, and most 
important, life does not work that way.

In order to do things, in order to get what you want, you need to involve 
yourself.


Happy New Year to All

Paulo Ferreira

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