From:  Paul Hannah <[email protected]>
Reply-To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Date:  Tuesday, December 16, 2014 at 10:50 PM
To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject:  Re: [beagleboard] Sensing flowmeter / protecting analog input

> Yes, that sounds exactly like the device.
> 
> Awesome, didn't even know such a beast existed. Will do my reading tonight.
http://www.ti.com/lit/an/scea046/scea046.pdf

Page 4 explains the concept.

Regards,
John
> 
> 
> Thanks again,
> Paul.
> 
> On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 17:47:20 John Syn <[email protected]> wrote:
>> From:  Paul Hannah <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Date:  Tuesday, December 16, 2014 at 10:26 PM
>> 
>> To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Subject:  Re: [beagleboard] Sensing flowmeter / protecting analog input
>> 
>>> John,
>>> 
>>> Cheers, it's a Gicar 9.0.95.05g -- sits in a cafe-style coffee machine,
>>> though this'll only be the first install and the others may be different
>>> (but presumably similar) parts.
>> OK, I couldn¹t find a data sheet, but I think this is a three pin device,
>> GND, POWER (4.5 - 20V) and PULSE. If this is correct, then all you need is a
>> resistor divider as you suggested and a schmitt trigger to clean up the
>> signal and then feed this directly into one of the GPIO pins. The schmitt
>> trigger should be powered from VDD_3V3B and enabled with SYS_RESETn.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John
>>> 
>>> On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 17:02:30 John Syn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> From:  Paul Hannah <[email protected]>
>>>> Reply-To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>> Date:  Tuesday, December 16, 2014 at 9:27 PM
>>>> To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject:  Re: [beagleboard] Sensing flowmeter / protecting analog input
>>>> 
>>>>> John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Digital input, hadn't thought of that but it makes sense, but I'm even
>>>>> less sure of myself in that arena...
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have to admit first my electronics knowledge is very rusty...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Maybe I can use a voltage divider after the diode/s to halve that 1.8v+
>>>>> down to a safe 1.0v-ish.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My first thought here is to use a zener diode as in here
>>>>> http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/diode/diode42.gif) with a voltage
>>>>> divider after.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is the reverse voltage low enough to be safe with the BBB?
>>>>> 
>>>>> If not, what if I set up something like this, but make D_Z1 a normal diode
>>>>> so that the reverse current is completely stopped?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Again, not interested at all in the quality of the signal as long as I can
>>>>> determine the number of cycles.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry for the electronics 101 questions, appreciate all your time.
>>>> BTW, what is the flowmeter part number. Perhaps there is a much simpler way
>>>> to interface this to the BBB.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Paul.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed Dec 17 2014 at 14:55:09 John Syn <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From:  William Pretty Security <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Reply-To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Date:  Tuesday, December 16, 2014 at 7:00 PM
>>>>>> To:  "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Subject:  RE: [beagleboard] Sensing flowmeter / protecting analog input
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hmm
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Maybe a 1.8v zener ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I see this recommendation all the time, but it won¹t work. Look at fig 4
>>>>>> in this document for the zener voltage characteristics DDZ9678:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/ds30410.pdf
>>>>>> <http://www.diodes.com/datasheets/ds30410.pdf>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You will see that the zener voltage is at 1.8v when the current is at
>>>>>> 80uA, but at 100uA, the voltage exceeds the maximum allowed on the ADC
>>>>>> input. The only way to deal with this situation is to use a proper signal
>>>>>> conditioner. First start with the voltage range of the input and then
>>>>>> scale that down with an op-amp. You can also offset the reference to deal
>>>>>> with negative voltage inputs.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To the OP, you are only using this for counting, why use ADC. Why not
>>>>>> scale/condition the output of the hall-effect flowmeter and use a digital
>>>>>> input? 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Or 1N4007¹s in series = 1.4V
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> "No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he
>>>>>>> could do only a little."
>>>>>>> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do
>>>>>>> nothing" Edmond Burke (1729 - 1797)
>>>>>>> http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone/
>>>>>>> book 
>>>>>>> <http://www.packtpub.com/building-a-home-security-system-with-beaglebone
>>>>>>> /book> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]
>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> ] On Behalf Of Paul Hannah
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2014 9:09 PM
>>>>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>>>>> Subject: [beagleboard] Sensing flowmeter / protecting analog input
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking to build a system to sense 'steps' of a hall-effect
>>>>>>> flowmeter.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My first throught is to use a voltage divider and rectifier circuit to
>>>>>>> get down to the 0-1.8v I need.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The problem I have is that every install may potentially have a
>>>>>>> different input voltage.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm wondering if there's a simpler way to do this. I really only need to
>>>>>>> clip the voltage between 0-1.8v, it doesn't matter if it spends 90% of
>>>>>>> it's time clipped and throws away the negative half of the signal
>>>>>>> completely as I'm only interested in a count.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The current draw will be in the millivolt-range used by the adc input,
>>>>>>> so it shouldn't need anything too heavy.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My first thought is a simple voltage regulator set to 1.8v, but I don't
>>>>>>> know enough about them to know whether it's a viable option or which to
>>>>>>> choose.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Any suggestions?
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