Certainly there wil be use cases for all. But one thing you need to be
aware of with recharge cycles on batteries. Is that a recharge cycle is
only counted when the battery voltage falls below a certain percentage. I
believe this percentage is difference for every chemistry type. But I can
say that for lead acid batteries, the recharge cycle is two fold.

First of the battery discharge goes below 75% this is a normal recharge
cycle.
Second, if the battery goes below 60% discharge is is akin to taking away
100 normal discharge depth cycles.

But again, other chemistries I know are going to be different as some stay
fairly steady in voltage throughout their whole discharge cycle.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:06 AM, zamek42 <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> On 05/19/2016 05:33 PM, Super Twang wrote:
>
>> @Lachlan
>> Thanks for the info Lachlan.
>>
>> Re: Supercap reliability…
>> My basic understanding is that if you design with supercaps for a
>> “Everyday” (ie not too hardcore) indoor use case, and keep them within some
>> pretty obtainable operating conditions they effectively last forever.
>> Obviously there’s some ambiguity (“everyday” “pretty obtainable”,
>> “effectively”) in the prior assertion, but...
>>
>> My particular use case — indoor temps but in a wall, 5v power — might see
>> a temp range of 15° - 35°C max I’d guess.  The 70°C - 105°C you’re talking
>> about would have to be a pretty harsh/industrial environment, no?
>>
>> Does anyone (who has done it, or knows how) have a sense of how
>> straightforward it is to achieve a supercap-based system design that keeps
>> the components in a range that’d keep them healthy for “Effectively
>> forever?”  ie 20k+ cycles? (better than bats) 100k+? (effectively forever)
>> Or, do the requirements we’re looking at for a basic, indoor, power system
>> really push the supercaps into the “Quickly-used-up” zone?
>>
> Yes we have some experience about supercaps.
>
> We have an organ controller which is working two years ago, approximately
> 3-4 on/off  per day. Yes it is an indoor application.
> Our second application is an industrial environment with Pandaboard which
> is working since last september approximately 1 on/off per day. It is a
> semi indoor environment.
> Our third application is a timelapse camera system with Raspberry (
> http://1nap1perc.hu/pecsi-magashaz-bontas/ ) which is started at early of
> march. It is an outdoor application which is working 7/24.
>
> In other point of view, if you checked the parameters of supercap for
> example
> http://www.newark.com/illinois-capacitor/506dcn2r7q/super-capacitor-aluminum-elect/dp/90R9922
> you can see:
>
> operating temperature: -40-+60C
> Life cycles: 500000
>
> A simple NiCd accumulator is much more weight, and its lifecycle is much
> more less, the operating temperature is 0-45C and lifecycle is less than
> 10000.
>
> So supercap seems to be  ideal for power supply to an embedded system, but
> it needs a little bit complicated controller electronic.
> best regards,
>
>
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> email:[email protected]
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