Heather, As sanjiva mentioned, whoever does the work, gets to make the decisions...we can always move things around later if required/desired. So i'd say it's settled to leave things as-is for now and maybe do a VOTE later if any of the developers want to.
thanks, dims On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:39 -0700, Heather Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We all want it to be the best it can be obviously. I think the > input/conversation is all good. :) > > It all depends on how we categorize this philosophically I suppose. There > are definitely good reasons to have this code in the WS family. There are > also good reasons to have this code in the Beehive project. > > The main reason IMO to keep this implementation in Beehive is because of the > purpose of Beehive. It is an integrated metadata-driven framework that > leverages the latest from Sun J2SE 5.0, especially the JSR-175 annotation > style. It provides an easy-to-use programming model for building webapps. > It targets a user with fewer of the "rockstar J2EE dev" skills, a user who is > more of a business developer and doesn't want to deal with all of the > plumbing. And Beehive will also be extensible to future subprojects that > also leverage JSR-175 style metadata. JWS is an important brush stroke on > this canvas. > > We do need to flush out the details of the implementation proposal obviously. > Once we have that in hand should we call a more formal vote or is now the > time to settle it? > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:17 PM > To: Beehive Developers > Subject: Re: can i help > > Please don't use "JWS" .. that's already used in Axis for Java Web > Services as you may know ... > > I didn't realize this was an RI for a JSR. If so I'm even more confused why > its not a project on its own .. amongst the other various WS projects. > > Oh well - its finally up to the developer community, of course. If you feel > comfortable with the situation then I withdraw my objection. > > Sanjiva. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ". Ias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: can i help > > > Here's my understanding and opinion on this issue so far as a creator of > > Axis WSM. > > > > 1. Beehive JWS, of which name is from its wiki page although I called it > > Beehive WSM (I agree that JWS is better based on its history), is supposed > > to implement JSR 181 as RI that BEA must provide because they lead the > spec > > in JCP. > > > > 2. Beehive team has several committers (from BEA and Tmax) including the > > spec lead of JSR 181 and me for the job. > > > > 3. As I proposed roughly before, Beehive JWS consists of two layers, a JSR > > 181 processor and a possible integration with a web services platform such > > as Axis. > > > > 4. As far as I'm concerned, it would be good for Web Services project to > > co-work on JSR 181 with BEA inside Beehive project. The reason is that JSR > > 181 belongs to web services technologies, but also is a practical > > application of metadata newly introduced in J2SE 5.0. Beehive requires and > > uses metadata a lot. We can expect help and guidance from Beehive > > developers who are already very familiar with metadata. > > > > 5. Regarding the current situation that there's no code for Beehive JWS > > contributed initially by BEA, I propose that JSR 181 API part should be > > checked in as soon as possible to Beehive SVN repository and we should > keep > > discussing how we will implement it and integrate it with Axis. I'll make > > my proposal more detailed within a week, and probably talk about it in > Axis > > 2 Summit as well. In my humble opinion, we all have a nice chance to build > > an open source implementation from the early stage of its targeted spec > > with spec folks and impl folks :-) In other words, the two groups can > > interact productively and progressively to make a JSR 181 implementation > > robust in both technical and pragmatical sense. > > > > Thank you all for your interest in JWS, > > > > Ias > > > > >From: "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "Beehive Developers" <[email protected]> > > >To: "Beehive Developers" > > <[email protected]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: can i help > > >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:05:49 +0600 > > > > > >+1 .. my personal pref is if the work is directly Web services > > >related it should be done under the WS PMC as much as possible. > > > > > >In addition to the incubation related advantages Dims points > > >out I also think others will discover this work more easily > > >if its in the WS family. > > > > > >Sanjiva. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Davanum Srinivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "Beehive Developers" <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:10 AM > > >Subject: Re: can i help > > > > > > > > > > Heather, > > > > > > > > My 2 cents, i don't really care where it is done, as long as it gets > > > > done :) We can do this either under the Beehive PMC or WS PMC. > > > > Objective definitely is to get this done quickly and not get stuck > > > > because beehive is still in incubation. Especially since this is ALL > > > > new code that needs to be written and there is NO existing code > > > > contributed in the incubation phase from BEA, it would make sense to > > > > do this under WS PMC (so that we can release really quickly w/o > > > > waiting for beehive to get out of incubation). If you all want to do > > > > that, then let me and sanjiva know... > > > > > > > > thanks, > > > > dims > > > > > > > > On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:15:02 -0700, Heather Stephens > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >wrote: > > > > > Hi Sanjiva. > > > > > > > > > > The web service part of this project is intended to be an > > implementation > > > > > of annotation-based programming model for web services (JSR-181). > > > > > > > > > > See mail threads for latest discussion (and feel free to give your > > > > > comments!) --> > > > > > > > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > r.apache.org&msgNo=145 > > > > > and > > > > > > > http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > r.apache.org&msgNo=155 > > > > > > > > > > JSR-181 info can be found here --> > > http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=181 > > > > > > > > > > Latest thinking on how it might happen within Beehive is found in > > this > > > > > proposal from Ias --> > > > > > http://www.apache.org/~ias/beehive-wsm-proposal-draft.txt > > > > > He and others already have prototype code in Axis that we can use > > here. > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > H. > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:20 PM > > > > > To: Beehive Developers > > > > > Subject: Re: can i help > > > > > > > > > > If this project is a pure *Web service* project why would we do it > > > > > as a part of Beehive? I'd rather see it under ws.apache.org > > > > > somewhere. Maybe I misunderstood? > > > > > > > > > > Sanjiva. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Mario Morgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Beehive Developers" <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:50 AM > > > > > Subject: RE: can i help > > > > > > > > > > > Once I complete reading the documentation on the various sites, I > > > > > will > > > > > provide feedback once i have had some time to put it into context > > > > > > > > > > > > Heather Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Hey gang. Mario is interested in helping out with the WS > > > > > implementation > > > > > > for Beehive. > > > > > > > > > > > > The first step is to review the document Ias sent out: > > > > > > http://www.apache.org/~ias/beehive-wsm-proposal-draft.txt > > > > > > (Ias - now that we have a wiki we can go ahead and post this URL > to > > > > > it.) > > > > > > > > > > > > And then as the plan takes shape ways you can help would include: > > > > > > 1. Using the implementation done by committers and posting bugs, > > > > > asking > > > > > > questions or sending on actual fixes to this alias. > > > > > > 2. Writing samples or docs. > > > > > > 3. Perhaps picking off a feature to implement and submitting to > > this > > > > > > alias for acceptance. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any other ideas anyone? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Mario Morgado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:40 PM > > > > > > To: Heather Stephens > > > > > > Subject: RE: can i help > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Heather I have read the documentation, and would be happy to > > assist > > > > > > with the webservice implementation, seems very interesting having > > been > > > > > > architecting webservices for the last 2 years now, so I think I > may > > be > > > > > > of some use > > > > > > > > > > > > I have downloaded SVN, what is next. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Heather Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:51 PM > > > > > > To: Mario Morgado > > > > > > Subject: RE: can i help > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mario. Sorry for the late reply. > > > > > > > > > > > > What part of Beehive are you interested in? The part that will be > > > > > > needing the most work, other than just using Beehive to build > > > > > > pageflows/controls/etc., is the webservice implementation. I've > > > > > > attached the last email from ias on that subject. > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > > > Heather > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > > From: Mario Morgado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:27 AM > > > > > > To: Heather Stephens > > > > > > Subject: can i help > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Heather I would really like to help if there is an opportunity > > for > > > > > me > > > > > > to participate, let me know what I can do, I have downloaded the > > > > > > source tree. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am just finishing up another project FPML which started much the > > > > > same > > > > > > way as beehive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mario Morgado > > > > > > Chief Systems Architect > > > > > > RDM Corporation > > > > > > 519-746-8483 X339 > > > > > > 416-576-2987 Mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mario Morgado > > > > > > Cheif Architect, Project Manager > > > > > > RDM Corporation > > > > > > 519-746-8483 X339 > > > > > > 416-576-2987 Mobile > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > ìììì ëë ìëê ëêíê ìêë... MSN ìëì > > ììê > > http://vod.msn.co.kr > > > > > > -- Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/
