eventually yes...just like axis has wsdl4j.jar etc... On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:59:26 +0200, Rasmus Lund <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wouldn't it be possible to make sure, that the JWS-support is included > in Axis AND Beehive downloads? > > /Rasmus > > > > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > > Heather, > > > > As sanjiva mentioned, whoever does the work, gets to make the > > decisions...we can always move things around later if > > required/desired. So i'd say it's settled to leave things as-is for > > now and maybe do a VOTE later if any of the developers want to. > > > > thanks, > > dims > > > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:27:39 -0700, Heather Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > >>We all want it to be the best it can be obviously. I think the > >>input/conversation is all good. :) > >> > >>It all depends on how we categorize this philosophically I suppose. There > >>are definitely good reasons to have this code in the WS family. There are > >>also good reasons to have this code in the Beehive project. > >> > >>The main reason IMO to keep this implementation in Beehive is because of > >>the purpose of Beehive. It is an integrated metadata-driven framework that > >>leverages the latest from Sun J2SE 5.0, especially the JSR-175 annotation > >>style. It provides an easy-to-use programming model for building webapps. > >>It targets a user with fewer of the "rockstar J2EE dev" skills, a user who > >>is more of a business developer and doesn't want to deal with all of the > >>plumbing. And Beehive will also be extensible to future subprojects that > >>also leverage JSR-175 style metadata. JWS is an important brush stroke on > >>this canvas. > >> > >>We do need to flush out the details of the implementation proposal > >>obviously. Once we have that in hand should we call a more formal vote or > >>is now the time to settle it? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:17 PM > >>To: Beehive Developers > >>Subject: Re: can i help > >> > >>Please don't use "JWS" .. that's already used in Axis for Java Web > >>Services as you may know ... > >> > >>I didn't realize this was an RI for a JSR. If so I'm even more confused why > >>its not a project on its own .. amongst the other various WS projects. > >> > >>Oh well - its finally up to the developer community, of course. If you feel > >>comfortable with the situation then I withdraw my objection. > >> > >>Sanjiva. > >> > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: ". Ias" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: <[email protected]> > >>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:57 AM > >>Subject: Re: can i help > >> > >> > >>>Here's my understanding and opinion on this issue so far as a creator of > >>>Axis WSM. > >>> > >>>1. Beehive JWS, of which name is from its wiki page although I called it > >>>Beehive WSM (I agree that JWS is better based on its history), is supposed > >>>to implement JSR 181 as RI that BEA must provide because they lead the > >> > >>spec > >> > >>>in JCP. > >>> > >>>2. Beehive team has several committers (from BEA and Tmax) including the > >>>spec lead of JSR 181 and me for the job. > >>> > >>>3. As I proposed roughly before, Beehive JWS consists of two layers, a JSR > >>>181 processor and a possible integration with a web services platform such > >>>as Axis. > >>> > >>>4. As far as I'm concerned, it would be good for Web Services project to > >>>co-work on JSR 181 with BEA inside Beehive project. The reason is that JSR > >>>181 belongs to web services technologies, but also is a practical > >>>application of metadata newly introduced in J2SE 5.0. Beehive requires and > >>>uses metadata a lot. We can expect help and guidance from Beehive > >>>developers who are already very familiar with metadata. > >>> > >>>5. Regarding the current situation that there's no code for Beehive JWS > >>>contributed initially by BEA, I propose that JSR 181 API part should be > >>>checked in as soon as possible to Beehive SVN repository and we should > >> > >>keep > >> > >>>discussing how we will implement it and integrate it with Axis. I'll make > >>>my proposal more detailed within a week, and probably talk about it in > >> > >>Axis > >> > >>>2 Summit as well. In my humble opinion, we all have a nice chance to build > >>>an open source implementation from the early stage of its targeted spec > >>>with spec folks and impl folks :-) In other words, the two groups can > >>>interact productively and progressively to make a JSR 181 implementation > >>>robust in both technical and pragmatical sense. > >>> > >>>Thank you all for your interest in JWS, > >>> > >>>Ias > >>> > >>> > >>>>From: "Sanjiva Weerawarana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>Reply-To: "Beehive Developers" <[email protected]> > >>>>To: "Beehive Developers" > >>> > >>><[email protected]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> > >>>>Subject: Re: can i help > >>>>Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:05:49 +0600 > >>>> > >>>>+1 .. my personal pref is if the work is directly Web services > >>>>related it should be done under the WS PMC as much as possible. > >>>> > >>>>In addition to the incubation related advantages Dims points > >>>>out I also think others will discover this work more easily > >>>>if its in the WS family. > >>>> > >>>>Sanjiva. > >>>> > >>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>From: "Davanum Srinivas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>To: "Beehive Developers" <[email protected]> > >>>>Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:10 AM > >>>>Subject: Re: can i help > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>>Heather, > >>>>> > >>>>>My 2 cents, i don't really care where it is done, as long as it gets > >>>>>done :) We can do this either under the Beehive PMC or WS PMC. > >>>>>Objective definitely is to get this done quickly and not get stuck > >>>>>because beehive is still in incubation. Especially since this is ALL > >>>>>new code that needs to be written and there is NO existing code > >>>>>contributed in the incubation phase from BEA, it would make sense to > >>>>>do this under WS PMC (so that we can release really quickly w/o > >>>>>waiting for beehive to get out of incubation). If you all want to do > >>>>>that, then let me and sanjiva know... > >>>>> > >>>>>thanks, > >>>>>dims > >>>>> > >>>>>On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:15:02 -0700, Heather Stephens > >> > >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> > >>>>wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>>Hi Sanjiva. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>The web service part of this project is intended to be an > >>> > >>>implementation > >>> > >>>>>>of annotation-based programming model for web services (JSR-181). > >>>>>> > >>>>>>See mail threads for latest discussion (and feel free to give your > >>>>>>comments!) --> > >>>>>> > >>>http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>>>>r.apache.org&msgNo=145 > >>>>>>and > >>>>>> > >>> > >>>http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> > >>>>>>r.apache.org&msgNo=155 > >>>>>> > >>>>>>JSR-181 info can be found here --> > >>> > >>>http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=181 > >>> > >>>>>>Latest thinking on how it might happen within Beehive is found in > >>> > >>>this > >>> > >>>>>>proposal from Ias --> > >>>>>>http://www.apache.org/~ias/beehive-wsm-proposal-draft.txt > >>>>>>He and others already have prototype code in Axis that we can use > >>> > >>>here. > >>> > >>>>>>I hope this helps. > >>>>>>H. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>From: Sanjiva Weerawarana [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:20 PM > >>>>>>To: Beehive Developers > >>>>>>Subject: Re: can i help > >>>>>> > >>>>>>If this project is a pure *Web service* project why would we do it > >>>>>>as a part of Beehive? I'd rather see it under ws.apache.org > >>>>>>somewhere. Maybe I misunderstood? > >>>>>> > >>>>>>Sanjiva. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>From: "Mario Morgado" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>To: "Beehive Developers" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 6:50 AM > >>>>>>Subject: RE: can i help > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Once I complete reading the documentation on the various sites, I > >>>>>> > >>>>>>will > >>>>>>provide feedback once i have had some time to put it into context > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>Heather Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>Hey gang. Mario is interested in helping out with the WS > >>>>>> > >>>>>>implementation > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>for Beehive. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>The first step is to review the document Ias sent out: > >>>>>>>http://www.apache.org/~ias/beehive-wsm-proposal-draft.txt > >>>>>>>(Ias - now that we have a wiki we can go ahead and post this URL > >> > >>to > >> > >>>>>>it.) > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>And then as the plan takes shape ways you can help would include: > >>>>>>>1. Using the implementation done by committers and posting bugs, > >>>>>> > >>>>>>asking > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>questions or sending on actual fixes to this alias. > >>>>>>>2. Writing samples or docs. > >>>>>>>3. Perhaps picking off a feature to implement and submitting to > >>> > >>>this > >>> > >>>>>>>alias for acceptance. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Any other ideas anyone? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>From: Mario Morgado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 3:40 PM > >>>>>>>To: Heather Stephens > >>>>>>>Subject: RE: can i help > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Hi Heather I have read the documentation, and would be happy to > >>> > >>>assist > >>> > >>>>>>>with the webservice implementation, seems very interesting having > >>> > >>>been > >>> > >>>>>>>architecting webservices for the last 2 years now, so I think I > >> > >>may > >> > >>>be > >>> > >>>>>>>of some use > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I have downloaded SVN, what is next. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>-----Original Message----- > >>>>>>>From: Heather Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 12:51 PM > >>>>>>>To: Mario Morgado > >>>>>>>Subject: RE: can i help > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Hi Mario. Sorry for the late reply. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>What part of Beehive are you interested in? The part that will be > >>>>>>>needing the most work, other than just using Beehive to build > >>>>>>>pageflows/controls/etc., is the webservice implementation. I've > >>>>>>>attached the last email from ias on that subject. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I hope this helps. > >>>>>>>Heather > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>________________________________________ > >>>>>>>From: Mario Morgado [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>>>>Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 7:27 AM > >>>>>>>To: Heather Stephens > >>>>>>>Subject: can i help > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Hi Heather I would really like to help if there is an opportunity > >>> > >>>for > >>> > >>>>>>me > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>to participate, let me know what I can do, I have downloaded the > >>>>>>>source tree. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>I am just finishing up another project FPML which started much the > >>>>>> > >>>>>>same > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>way as beehive. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Mario Morgado > >>>>>>>Chief Systems Architect > >>>>>>>RDM Corporation > >>>>>>>519-746-8483 X339 > >>>>>>>416-576-2987 Mobile > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>Mario Morgado > >>>>>>>Cheif Architect, Project Manager > >>>>>>>RDM Corporation > >>>>>>>519-746-8483 X339 > >>>>>>>416-576-2987 Mobile > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>-- > >>>>>Davanum Srinivas - http://webservices.apache.org/~dims/ > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>_________________________________________________________________ > >>>ìììì ëë ìëê ëêíê ìêë... 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