I'm getting tired of this thread... let's talk about regexp's...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> Hi all--
>
> Please add my 32 years of programming experience to the perl is a
> high level language side. Good thing "will" didn't suggest that some
> python experience would be adequate for entrance to the class!
>
> I don't think that it will be profitable for you to argue with a
> professor on this subject. Look for an ally on the faculty--a perl
> guy, linux guy, unix guy. Other students may be able to help
> identify him(or her). Then ask him to help you understand how your
> perl experience is not relevant and what to do about it. With any
> luck he'll be righteously indignant and intervene on your behalf.
>
> I'm not sure it will be worthwhile taking a course from this weenie
> anyway, so maybe take something else this semester and try again
> next.
>
> good luck and have fun
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Jon Acierto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: August 18, 2001 10:30 AM
> Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
>
>
> Jon and List:
>
> Sometimes in life it is necessary to fight back, not because it is a
> good exercise, but rather to try to correct injustices and misguided
> minds. In this particular case Jon has been deprived of access to an
> employment opportunity, just because there is an uninformed
> individual, in a position with decision_making power, with an
> unjustified bias against a beautifully efficient programming
> technology such as Perl and, as most of our people think, the bias is
> most probably grounded in hard_rock ignorance.
>
> It is Ok to express our disgust in this case by talking among
> ourselves and fuming because of the injustice against one of our
> peers, and against the truth. However, it is not OK to stop at that
> point. I believe that some civilized reaction is needed, not only to
> try to correct an abuse, but also to start being noticed and begin
> spreading some well deserved respect for the PERL technology. What I
> am suggesting is doing a writing campaign similar to what is done
> when Senators and Representatives need to be convinced of something,
> for them to take a stand for or against that something.
>
> Instead of only tring to comfort one another among ourselves, with
> all sorts of valid arguments as we have been doing so far, let us
> write separate, individual e-mails, with our own e-mail addresses, to
> the Admissions Counselor at U.W. (Jon can probably find out the
> e-mail address and let us know it) to make him notice that there are
> many Perl experts who disagree with the opinion expressed by the
> Reviewer, and inviting such person to a technical discussion with
> respect to the high level qualities of Perl. The messages would have
> to be corteous, polite, to the point, and clear on their intent. I
> would suggest something like this: (even if everyone chose the same
> pattern, it still would be OK):
>
> Dear Counselor:
>
> I have been informed that my friend and colleague Jon Acierto has
> been denied consideration for a programming position at U.W. on the
> basis that "he only has 2 years of experience with the Perl language"
> and not in other computer programming languages. The C++
> Applications Reviewer has also expressed the opinion that Jon's
> experience is not even comparable to someone with a knowledge of
> COBOL!!.
>
> As a knowledgeable and experienced programmer of Perl and other
> languages such as ............I want to not only disagree with the
> Reviewer's opinion, but I also want to call your attention to the
> injustice of denying a qualified individual an opportunity, on the
> basis of unjustified opinions of someone who evidently does not have
> an adequate knowledge of the Perl language. The opinion expressed by
> your reviewer that "PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE" is completely
> unfounded because of the following:
> .....................................................................
> .....................................................................
> ..........................
> .....................(your arguments in favor of
> Perl)................................................................
> ....................................
> .....................................................................
> .....................................................................
> ...........................
> Furthermore, Mr. Counselor, I am hereby requesting that you provide
> me in your answer to this message the name and e-mail address of the
> Reviewer, since it is my intention to invite that person to a
> friendly discussion about the merits of the Perl programming
> language, with the intention of trying to convince him/her of the
> wrongfulness of his/her assumptions. Your response with the
> requested information will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Respectfully Submitted
>
> Your Full Name
> Your E-Mail Adress
>
> Let us not get just get mad. Let us get even in a civilized way.
> I believe action is needed in this case. Who knows, they may even
> reconsider Jon for the position.
> Any takers?
>
> Keep well
>
> Fred A. Romani
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jon Acierto
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:48 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
>
> Hello Guys It's me again,
> After getting all the feedback from this maillist on my "High Level"
> question AND going to an online dictionary and finding out that Perl
> Does
> fit the definition of a high level language, I get this from the
> Admissions
> Councellor at the U.W. ext.:
>
> Jon, thank you for your inquiry.
> I sent your description of your programming background to the C++
> application reviewer and received this input:
> "i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is not a high level
> language. it amounts to a scripting language. simply having 2 years
> of
> working with perl says nothing about whether he has worked on more
> complex
> problems or has developed the programming skills necessary to
> understand
> and solve such problems from ground up. in addition, does he have -
> in any
> language - the understanding of more advanced data structures...with
> 2
> years of serious cobol for example should bring familiarity with
> files,
> records, and other such data types."
> Jon, if you have the prerequisite background as described above, then
> you
> will need to document and support it in your C++ application.
> Otherwise,
> you will need to decide how you want to expand your programming
> experience.
> In the UWEO program offerings, the C program would help you do this.
>
>
> Can someone please help me explain to these people that writing Perl
> for 2
> years says about as much of my ability to program and understand
> "advanced
> data structures" and having worked on "more complex problems" as
> spending
> those 2 years with C. Am I wrong? I know that if I describe to them
> the
> OOP in Perl that I've done as well as all the work I've done with
> files and
> records with data extraction (binary and ascii) that they would
> understand. But is it just me or do these people not know anything
> about Perl?
>
>
> Jonathan Acierto
> Perl Programmer
> Ocentrix Inc.
> 206.691.7603
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> A famous linguist once said:
> "There is no language wherein a double
> positive can form a negative."
> YEAH, RIGHT
>
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