easy mathew...that was the first time that I've ever made contact with
Randal...too bad he wasn't addressing me or my subject...
i'll start a regex thread if you lay off for now...it's starting to get
interesting...Dr. Maher just emailed the staff at the U.W. extension...
> I'm getting tired of this thread... let's talk about regexp's...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Barker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jon Acierto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 12:22 AM
> Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
>
>
> > Hi all--
> >
> > Please add my 32 years of programming experience to the perl is a
> > high level language side. Good thing "will" didn't suggest that some
> > python experience would be adequate for entrance to the class!
> >
> > I don't think that it will be profitable for you to argue with a
> > professor on this subject. Look for an ally on the faculty--a perl
> > guy, linux guy, unix guy. Other students may be able to help
> > identify him(or her). Then ask him to help you understand how your
> > perl experience is not relevant and what to do about it. With any
> > luck he'll be righteously indignant and intervene on your behalf.
> >
> > I'm not sure it will be worthwhile taking a course from this weenie
> > anyway, so maybe take something else this semester and try again
> > next.
> >
> > good luck and have fun
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Jon Acierto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Date: August 18, 2001 10:30 AM
> > Subject: Re: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> >
> >
> > Jon and List:
> >
> > Sometimes in life it is necessary to fight back, not because it is a
> > good exercise, but rather to try to correct injustices and misguided
> > minds. In this particular case Jon has been deprived of access to an
> > employment opportunity, just because there is an uninformed
> > individual, in a position with decision_making power, with an
> > unjustified bias against a beautifully efficient programming
> > technology such as Perl and, as most of our people think, the bias is
> > most probably grounded in hard_rock ignorance.
> >
> > It is Ok to express our disgust in this case by talking among
> > ourselves and fuming because of the injustice against one of our
> > peers, and against the truth. However, it is not OK to stop at that
> > point. I believe that some civilized reaction is needed, not only to
> > try to correct an abuse, but also to start being noticed and begin
> > spreading some well deserved respect for the PERL technology. What I
> > am suggesting is doing a writing campaign similar to what is done
> > when Senators and Representatives need to be convinced of something,
> > for them to take a stand for or against that something.
> >
> > Instead of only tring to comfort one another among ourselves, with
> > all sorts of valid arguments as we have been doing so far, let us
> > write separate, individual e-mails, with our own e-mail addresses, to
> > the Admissions Counselor at U.W. (Jon can probably find out the
> > e-mail address and let us know it) to make him notice that there are
> > many Perl experts who disagree with the opinion expressed by the
> > Reviewer, and inviting such person to a technical discussion with
> > respect to the high level qualities of Perl. The messages would have
> > to be corteous, polite, to the point, and clear on their intent. I
> > would suggest something like this: (even if everyone chose the same
> > pattern, it still would be OK):
> >
> > Dear Counselor:
> >
> > I have been informed that my friend and colleague Jon Acierto has
> > been denied consideration for a programming position at U.W. on the
> > basis that "he only has 2 years of experience with the Perl language"
> > and not in other computer programming languages. The C++
> > Applications Reviewer has also expressed the opinion that Jon's
> > experience is not even comparable to someone with a knowledge of
> > COBOL!!.
> >
> > As a knowledgeable and experienced programmer of Perl and other
> > languages such as ............I want to not only disagree with the
> > Reviewer's opinion, but I also want to call your attention to the
> > injustice of denying a qualified individual an opportunity, on the
> > basis of unjustified opinions of someone who evidently does not have
> > an adequate knowledge of the Perl language. The opinion expressed by
> > your reviewer that "PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE" is completely
> > unfounded because of the following:
> > .....................................................................
> > .....................................................................
> > ..........................
> > .....................(your arguments in favor of
> > Perl)................................................................
> > ....................................
> > .....................................................................
> > .....................................................................
> > ...........................
> > Furthermore, Mr. Counselor, I am hereby requesting that you provide
> > me in your answer to this message the name and e-mail address of the
> > Reviewer, since it is my intention to invite that person to a
> > friendly discussion about the merits of the Perl programming
> > language, with the intention of trying to convince him/her of the
> > wrongfulness of his/her assumptions. Your response with the
> > requested information will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Respectfully Submitted
> >
> > Your Full Name
> > Your E-Mail Adress
> >
> > Let us not get just get mad. Let us get even in a civilized way.
> > I believe action is needed in this case. Who knows, they may even
> > reconsider Jon for the position.
> > Any takers?
> >
> > Keep well
> >
> > Fred A. Romani
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jon Acierto
> > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:48 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: PERL IS NOT A HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGE
> >
> > Hello Guys It's me again,
> > After getting all the feedback from this maillist on my "High Level"
> > question AND going to an online dictionary and finding out that Perl
> > Does
> > fit the definition of a high level language, I get this from the
> > Admissions
> > Councellor at the U.W. ext.:
> >
> > Jon, thank you for your inquiry.
> > I sent your description of your programming background to the C++
> > application reviewer and received this input:
> > "i have to agree with will's assessment. perl is not a high level
> > language. it amounts to a scripting language. simply having 2 years
> > of
> > working with perl says nothing about whether he has worked on more
> > complex
> > problems or has developed the programming skills necessary to
> > understand
> > and solve such problems from ground up. in addition, does he have -
> > in any
> > language - the understanding of more advanced data structures...with
> > 2
> > years of serious cobol for example should bring familiarity with
> > files,
> > records, and other such data types."
> > Jon, if you have the prerequisite background as described above, then
> > you
> > will need to document and support it in your C++ application.
> > Otherwise,
> > you will need to decide how you want to expand your programming
> > experience.
> > In the UWEO program offerings, the C program would help you do this.
> >
> >
> > Can someone please help me explain to these people that writing Perl
> > for 2
> > years says about as much of my ability to program and understand
> > "advanced
> > data structures" and having worked on "more complex problems" as
> > spending
> > those 2 years with C. Am I wrong? I know that if I describe to them
> > the
> > OOP in Perl that I've done as well as all the work I've done with
> > files and
> > records with data extraction (binary and ascii) that they would
> > understand. But is it just me or do these people not know anything
> > about Perl?
> >
> >
> > Jonathan Acierto
> > Perl Programmer
> > Ocentrix Inc.
> > 206.691.7603
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > A famous linguist once said:
> > "There is no language wherein a double
> > positive can form a negative."
> > YEAH, RIGHT
> >
> >
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