On 04 Oct 2013 06:33, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On 02 Oct 2013 Uri Guttman wrote: >> On 02 Oct 2013 08:56 PM, Rob Dixon wrote: >>> On 03 Oct 2013 01:39, Uri Guttman wrote: >>>> >>>> I do recommend you try to use File::Slurp to read in and write out your >>>> files. >>> >>> It would help a lot if you declared your interest in File::Slurp. It is >>> disingenuous to recommend your own modules. >> >> i don't see why? it is just a tool to help him. i get no compensation >> other than it helps to use it. also in my reply to him i did say i was >> going to add a feature idea to the todo list. >> >> i recommend my modules when they are appropriate and don't always say >> they are mine. there actually isn't much (if any) competition on cpan >> for a couple of them. >> > > Rob has been bothering me as well with similar complaints for recommending > XML::LibXML instead of XML::XPath, just because I happen to maintain > XML::LibXML (even though I mention it) and has been voicing similar complaints > about me referring people to the various resources on http://perl-begin.org/ > which I also maintain. It seems he has an obsession with people recommending > resources that they originated or are maintaining, even if these resources are > 100% open source/open content and are not likely to yield substantial monetary > benefits. > > So I suggest that both you and I just ignore those exits by Rob about these > things from now on. Like the old Internet adage go: “Those who can - do. Those > who can’t - complain.”.
Hi Shlomi This applies equally to the exchanges we have had in the past on this topic, and to my recent note to Uri. I am sorry you consider my comments to be "bothering you". I only ever made a single comment, as I did to Uri here, and answered any questions you had in your replies. The problem I see is that it should be up to the reader to decide whether to accept your recommendations *based on clear knowledge of any investments you may have*. Whether that is an emotional or financial interest is irrelevant; your advice *must* be evaluated in the light of your likely impartiality. Uri, I rarely see File::Slurp recommended other than by yourself. usually it is in the context of a work-around for Perl's lack of support for a regex version of $/. I have also never had occasion to use it myself, despite a working understanding of its facilities. I accept that you believe your advice to be equitable, but it is inevitable that a rosy glow will surround anything that is the product of your own labours. Shlomi, the same applies to your XML::LibXML, which is an excellent module, and probably the only real contender to pole position for modules not based on XML::Parser. However I don't remember seeing you recommend anything else in any circumstance, and that worries me. As for your web site, I am puzzled why you would not want people to know that your perl-begin.org was the work of your own fair hand? It isn't mentioned in your sig, and even the site itself is coy about declaring it to be pretty much all your own work apart from what is said in the "Contributors List". What concerns me most is that, if you refer to your own site in the context of this list, unless you indicate that you are referring to more of your own words on the same topic, it will be seen as a third-party endorsement of your point of view. Since I raised the issue, you have been adding semi-legalese like this > * http://perl-begin.org/uses/multitasking/#threads > > (**NOTE**: http://perl-begin.org/ is a site I originated and still maintain - > all caveats apply.) which I guess is OK, but all that is necessary is something less formal like > See what I wrote about this on my site > http://perl-begin.org/uses/multitasking/#threads which declares that you are both the author of the words and proprietor of the site in far less verbiage. Similarly, where Uri writes > i do recommend you try to use File::Slurp all that I see is necessary is > i do recommend you try my own File::Slurp module and, again, I am surprised that you wouldn't want to boast ownership in the first place. Maybe I have been misunderstood before, in which case I apologise and hope that this has helped to explain my point of view. If not, and if there is still antipathy to my thoughts, then I would like to see it spelled out. I am copying this to John SJ Anderson, the list manager, whose judgement I have found in the past to be impeccable, and whom I trust completely to make a correct call on this. Shlomi, I don't know what typo led to `exits` in this > So I suggest that both you and I just ignore those exits by Rob about > these things from now on. Like the old Internet adage go: “Those who > can - do. Those who can’t - complain.”. but the paragraph is insulting and inappropriate on a public list. I am sure Uri is quite capable of making their own decision to ignore me if they so wish, and you are out of order in exorting him to do so. I am sure you will let me know your thoughts. Kind regards, Rob Dixon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
